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Post by zila1 on Jul 25, 2022 23:34:19 GMT -5
They aren't what they are advertised to be. In fact they make no real financial sense or common sense. We're just trading off one type of pollution for one that is even worse. I have driven them and so far..........not impressed. Rip off.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 26, 2022 8:10:12 GMT -5
My Jetta 2.0 costs so little to operate. Lucky with a 12 gallon tank, 8 min ride to work, I spend like 40 bucks every 2 weeks.
With costs of oil going through the roof, electric car cost will rise also. It still produced by all oil based products.
Bit a little solar farm to keep some lighting in the house would be more cost effective.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 26, 2022 8:19:18 GMT -5
And in Ohio you pay 500$ a year to register a electric car. I would not mind electric if they were not chalked full of modern BS and were truly better for the environment.
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Post by zila1 on Jul 26, 2022 8:32:02 GMT -5
You know Jon, I actually considered purchasing an electric car. So, I did my research and even contacted a couple people that have them. I have test driven a couple of them. Even had one here at the house for a few weeks. I was less than impressed. I was really disappointed with them. Charging them and keeping them charged is a problem. You can't plan a trip with one really. You have to always be within range of a charger and those chargers are not dependable. If you do buy one of these cars you have to have a charger at home and now your power bill will go thru the roof. And what people aren't thinking about is that fossil fuels are needed to generate the electricity to power these things. We are NOT going to help the environment by buying electric cars, in fact we are just going to make it even worse. It just goes on and on.
My friends with electric cars are getting rid of them and I can't blame them. I keep passing on the word to people to not get caught up in all this electric car hype because they will just get themselves into a financial bind. And they will be coming home on a tow truck at some point for sure. A gasoline/diesel powered tow truck to add insult to injury. I am just trying to keep people from getting ripped off with all this crap. It's all such bull shit.
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Post by Vinster on Jul 27, 2022 18:55:18 GMT -5
I will stand on this soap box and say Hybrid is the way to go...
Either the independent conventional electric assisted motor (like my 2013 Prius) or the gas charging system like a Prius Prime or Chevy Volt... You can still do long hauls with 5 min stops to fill up... with the Prime/Volt you can plug in and get about 40-60 miles of battery range and the little gas engine/generator (1.0-1.3L I think) will keep the battery charged when the battery runs low...
Jon, with a Prime or Volt you'd never use gas if you charge at night.. if you have charging at work then you're golden... I had a boss that had a Volt... he charged at work (15mi commute).. took him 9 month to use his 1st tank of gas.. he had to use fuel stabilizer in the tank... the car was practically free to drive in his situation...
and he could still do a 400mi road trips on 1 tank (like a 8-11gal tank), stop, fill and go... Didn't have to charge if you don't want too...
Vin
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Post by zila1 on Jul 27, 2022 19:14:19 GMT -5
Vinster: I have to agree with you on that. The hybrid is a better way to go. I do like the Toyota Camry Hybrid. They are the best built of them all I believe, and they have been at it a long time. Sharp looking car too. If I was to go out and get a sedan right now that would be the one I would get. I drove one last year and it was so comfortable with a smooth quiet ride. I'm getting old so comfort is important. But then I was also looking at a much older car.......a Lincoln Grand Marquis. Gas hog of a car but man that thing was nice. I wish they hadn't stopped making those.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 27, 2022 19:31:11 GMT -5
But you don't need hybrid with a Toyota 4 banger. They get like 40 mpg and will outlast the rest of the vehicle.
One issue with electric is efficiency. Big claims that aren't there. The charger for electric cars is a perfect example.
Here in Illinois, 70% of the states electric comes from coal plants. Your power bill will tell you this information.
Knowing you're charging electric cars with coal power plants, well your gas motor burns way cleaner actually.
If we where 90% nuclear powered states, then electric cars would be a better way to go on environments costs.
The world isn't ready to give up oil. It's just the best most abundant available viable resource.
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Post by freeagent on Jul 28, 2022 16:46:46 GMT -5
I ride a Segway to work.. lol.. Its a start  |
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Post by Vinster on Jul 29, 2022 20:53:47 GMT -5
But you don't need hybrid with a Toyota 4 banger. They get like 40 mpg and will outlast the rest of the vehicle. One issue with electric is efficiency. Big claims that aren't there. The charger for electric cars is a perfect example. Here in Illinois, 70% of the states electric comes from coal plants. Your power bill will tell you this information. Knowing you're charging electric cars with coal power plants, well your gas motor burns way cleaner actually. If we where 90% nuclear powered states, then electric cars would be a better way to go on environments costs. The world isn't ready to give up oil. It's just the best most abundant available viable resource. 40mpg is good.. but 55-60mpg is better... that's what I get in my 2013 prius... my Matrix before it was supposed to get 32mpg but I struggled to get 27-28mpg...
if you're a plug in car, what your power is, is the most important part... Where I am is Nuclear and Hydro from Niagara falls. So at least it's cleaner.
most mandates to stop using oil is 2035 and 2040 depending on the area.. A lot can happen in 13-18 years... So I really hope it does... The biggest for me, is a way to recycle the millions of batteries that Musk is making (PLUS every other EV car brand/manufacturer) every year... it's all toxic waste... once ppl figure out that we can't do anything with this stuff but burn holes in the earth... They'll wish to be back on oil.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 30, 2022 9:20:10 GMT -5
But you don't need hybrid with a Toyota 4 banger. They get like 40 mpg and will outlast the rest of the vehicle. One issue with electric is efficiency. Big claims that aren't there. The charger for electric cars is a perfect example. Here in Illinois, 70% of the states electric comes from coal plants. Your power bill will tell you this information. Knowing you're charging electric cars with coal power plants, well your gas motor burns way cleaner actually. If we where 90% nuclear powered states, then electric cars would be a better way to go on environments costs. The world isn't ready to give up oil. It's just the best most abundant available viable resource. 40mpg is good.. but 55-60mpg is better... that's what I get in my 2013 prius... my Matrix before it was supposed to get 32mpg but I struggled to get 27-28mpg...
if you're a plug in car, what your power is, is the most important part... Where I am is Nuclear and Hydro from Niagara falls. So at least it's cleaner.
most mandates to stop using oil is 2035 and 2040 depending on the area.. A lot can happen in 13-18 years... So I really hope it does... The biggest for me, is a way to recycle the millions of batteries that Musk is making (PLUS every other EV car brand/manufacturer) every year... it's all toxic waste... once ppl figure out that we can't do anything with this stuff but burn holes in the earth... They'll wish to be back on oil.
Vin
Diesel Engines (in cars like VW) get 50mph. And most of us Westerners in the U S of A are not into driving a prius. It's an ugly vehicle just to start off with. If these Hybrids and EV cars looked like all the rest of the normal cars, they'd probably sell better honestly. In 20 years from now, we'll still be using gas engines for a lot of things..... ____________________ My neighbor has to cut his lawn over the course of an entire weekend. Real green lawn mower batteries are for shit. He gets a third of the lawn cut..... I'm laughing at him while helping him with my lawn tractor get it done in a day. If time is your money, electric lawn mowing is not a good approach haha. |
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Post by Vinster on Jul 30, 2022 19:13:31 GMT -5
If these Hybrids and EV cars looked like all the rest of the normal cars, they'd probably sell better honestly. Toyota has a hybrid version of nearly every model now except for Trucks, but that's coming. GM will be getting there too soon. Ford Ditched cars, so that's going well for them.
Vin
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Post by zila1 on Jul 30, 2022 19:17:07 GMT -5
The gasoline engines aren't going anywhere anytime soon. America pretty much pulled away from nuclear power due to the expense and safety issues. No place to put that spent nuclear fuel. Electric cars may go that way too. It's all just hazardous waste. The next administration will put the U.S. back on track to being energy independent I hope, and Canada will be involved as well. The two countries make great partners. We could kick ass with all the energy the two countries can produce. I'd like to see fuel prices drop and the two economies skyrocketing again. We need to get rid of the dumb asses in my government.
I agree Jon. They need to redesign those cars and make them attractive to the average American consumer. They are butt ugly right now.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 31, 2022 14:22:26 GMT -5
If these Hybrids and EV cars looked like all the rest of the normal cars, they'd probably sell better honestly. Toyota has a hybrid version of nearly every model now except for Trucks, but that's coming. GM will be getting there too soon. Ford Ditched cars, so that's going well for them.
Vin
I miss my old 84 Celica GT. That thing could take on any corner at 45mph I swear it. Fun little ride. Hybrid is cool. Just not for me. My affordability is anything 12 years old and older. I won't shell out payments on a new or used car ever again. |
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Post by austin86 on Aug 1, 2022 8:12:01 GMT -5
Toyota has a hybrid version of nearly every model now except for Trucks, but that's coming. GM will be getting there too soon. Ford Ditched cars, so that's going well for them.
Vin
I miss my old 84 Celica GT. That thing could take on any corner at 45mph I swear it. Fun little ride. Oh yeah those were fun cars. Its been a long time since I seen one. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 1, 2022 9:50:33 GMT -5
I miss my old 84 Celica GT. That thing could take on any corner at 45mph I swear it. Fun little ride. Oh yeah those were fun cars. Its been a long time since I seen one. The transmission went out and I junked it. But had 240k miles on it. Body was pretty rotted put also. That was over 20 years ago now lol. You're right though, you don't see them around anymore. |
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Post by Bones on Aug 1, 2022 9:58:18 GMT -5
Had a 77 Rabbit that ran like a top - Great on gas, drove and rode well, was reliable but body-rot issues took it out.
Even after it was no longer safe to drive on the road the little engine still ran great with "White" seen in the exhaust tip meaning it wasn't burning oil or anything, literally outlasting the car in this case.
I don't know what it is about German cars and the steel they use or body prep they do at the factory but they all seem suseptible to rusting out quick and fast when they do.
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Post by austin86 on Aug 1, 2022 11:39:23 GMT -5
Most cars from the late 70 to early 80s loved to rot and rust out.
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Post by zila1 on Aug 1, 2022 18:24:31 GMT -5
My older brother had a '69 VW Beetle. Man that little sucker ran like a top. Great on gas and so much fun to drive. It completely rotted away. The last time I saw the car you could see my brothers legs thru the drivers side door and you could see the ground thru the floor boards. He used plywood on the floors to keep from falling thru. There wasn't enough metal left to weld a new floor to. Finally the engine mounts rotted and he junked it.
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Post by zila1 on Aug 3, 2022 20:59:06 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 3, 2022 20:59:58 GMT -5
Hahahaaa! I love the big ass power line in the background. XD. |
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Post by zila1 on Aug 8, 2022 15:17:10 GMT -5
I always tell my electric car owning friends to never, ever park their electric cars inside of their garage or anywhere near their homes. They are dangerous especially while charging. If you know someone with one let them know the dangers involved with these things.
Edit: When I was still living in the city one of my neighbors had left his car charging over night. In the middle of the night his smoke alarms were going off in his home. The garage had completely burned down. The car caught fire while charging. The car and the garage were a total loss. The fire department couldn't put it out. They dragged that burning hulk into the alley and let it burn itself out. Fire foam didn't do shit. It just kept burning. The car melted itself into the pavement. I was dumb founded. And it wasn't even in the news.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 8, 2022 19:03:54 GMT -5
Batteries have always been volatile. It's not new. It's just a different battery.
Gramps charged a battery behind the Merc and it popped while we was eating supper. Took all the paint off the right rear quarter and trunk lid, spots on the roof. What a mess. Luckily no fire.
Seen my old boss get it in the face a couple times using the start all. Burnt his eyeballs but good too.
But most of the time it's not the battery that starts a fire. It's bad connections and corrosion. I've seen butt connectors filled with water and arcs in the butt connector. Seen fires inside box trailer frames as they pulled into the lot.
But Lithium.... we already know certain cell phones where banned on flights.
Maybe the battery in our pocket should be better observed by the user.
But it seems the better the battery, the more dangerous it is. Atomic batteries aren't new, but you may not want to power your watch with one!
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Post by eidairman1 on Aug 29, 2022 23:40:38 GMT -5
Batteries have always been volatile. It's not new. It's just a different battery. Gramps charged a battery behind the Merc and it popped while we was eating supper. Took all the paint off the right rear quarter and trunk lid, spots on the roof. What a mess. Luckily no fire. Seen my old boss get it in the face a couple times using the start all. Burnt his eyeballs but good too. But most of the time it's not the battery that starts a fire. It's bad connections and corrosion. I've seen butt connectors filled with water and arcs in the butt connector. Seen fires inside box trailer frames as they pulled into the lot. But Lithium.... we already know certain cell phones where banned on flights. Maybe the battery in our pocket should be better observed by the user. But it seems the better the battery, the more dangerous it is. Atomic batteries aren't new, but you may not want to power your watch with one! It's known as thermalrunaway (ultra low resistance), it affects all batteries like memory effect does. FYI EVs are a Globalist-Communist ploy to control or eliminate the working class person. They can fuck off. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 30, 2022 0:43:31 GMT -5
Batteries have always been volatile. It's not new. It's just a different battery. Gramps charged a battery behind the Merc and it popped while we was eating supper. Took all the paint off the right rear quarter and trunk lid, spots on the roof. What a mess. Luckily no fire. Seen my old boss get it in the face a couple times using the start all. Burnt his eyeballs but good too. But most of the time it's not the battery that starts a fire. It's bad connections and corrosion. I've seen butt connectors filled with water and arcs in the butt connector. Seen fires inside box trailer frames as they pulled into the lot. But Lithium.... we already know certain cell phones where banned on flights. Maybe the battery in our pocket should be better observed by the user. But it seems the better the battery, the more dangerous it is. Atomic batteries aren't new, but you may not want to power your watch with one! It's known as thermalrunaway (ultra low resistance), it affects all batteries like memory effect does. FYI EVs are a Globalist-Communist ploy to control or eliminate the working class person. They can fuck off. I'm not certain on Globalist Communist ploy really.... In a sense sure, but probably not the actual reality. We've been trying to make electric cars a thing since they've been invented. All the mining in the early 1900s was done with electric trolly because you don't want to run a motor in a cave. So there's a lot of good use cases for electric motives. Even vehicles, but people want everything a gas engine can do and more. You can just blame our governments for spending the working class money foolishly. Cause without the working class, you won't have a country any more. |
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Post by Bones on Aug 30, 2022 0:49:20 GMT -5
All I can add is if I wanted an electric car I'd get an EZ-Go and be done with it.
Here's something I found last night about the batteries.
And more about EV's in general.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 30, 2022 3:08:31 GMT -5
Well it doesn't matter if we cut carbon emissions, cause we dump 75% of what's burned in thermal emissions, setting aside the carbon.
The globe will forever warm, because we heat it.
Nuclear burns clean, little carbon emissions. Let's say 10,000 btu an hour.
Maybe an electric car is around 3,000 btu an hour.
The Human body!!! Say 300 btu an hour. Times 7.5 trillion.
Air conditioner. Say average is 14,000 btu an hour in your home
Now automotive gas engine.
All the moving parts make heat.
So any btu average add more.
What is the amount of BTU to power a sky scraper? Hot water, AC, heat.
Electric motor. Tesla 1092 btu per fucking mile.
Thermals. BTU. It's dumped all the time, doesn't matter how it's powered.
Carbon. One small piece to warming the planet. But that's all it seems to boil down to. How we make those thermals I guess.
70% of Illinois runs on coal power plants. Yeah, let's all get electric cars.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Aug 30, 2022 10:31:18 GMT -5
I don't trust electric cars at all. Not only for the reasons you guys mentioned already, but with their built in GPS, LTE, and everything going through the PCM's.....just no. All it would take is an OTA software update from the manufacturer, which Tesla's already do, and BAM, you're stuck on the side of the road with a BSOD (or worse). No thanks, I want manual, mechanical override on anything I can. I drive a 2016 Jeep, and its already pozzed enough with the PCM. However I at least have manual mechanical control over my transmission, e-brake, steering, and doors. Thing gets 30+ MPG too, I average about 27.1 overall in city.....and that's with 30" mud tires on it so I can still get around everywhere. A lot of people don't realize this, but we had electric vehicles in the early 1900's too. What happened back then? Why'd we stop using them and switch to gasoline? Idk. I'd like to have an electric TOY. Sadly, that's all they are still....just a toy. You can't drive even across a full state with one without planning an overnight trip so you can charge it. I'm all FOR trying to clean up our footprints. But we should be doing so RESPONSIBLY and with some common sense. The current push for EV's is quite the opposite.  |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 30, 2022 11:39:29 GMT -5
Gasoline engines aren't that heavy on the environment. But the diesel engines are. Very high NoX emissions. And that's why aftertreatment was invented with DEF fluids. The exhaust on newer generation tracktors are ZERO NoX emissions at idle and very low when on a load. The system must be 70% efficient or better (usually above 90%) conversion during a regeneration of the filters. The DEF fluid when partialized exhausts partly as Oxygen because the DEF fluid is 70% water based.
We're getting better at the approach with petrol and diesel motors, just gotta keep working at it. And get the old junk ass mechanical diesel engines off the road and prohibit petrol and diesel motor sports. Class E tractors rated up to 3000+ HP are way way more heavy than an average truck hauling some freight.
Just sayin.
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Post by Bones on Aug 30, 2022 14:47:36 GMT -5
No way man himself has a greater effect on things than nature itself. Pundits claim we do and try to dismiss claims to the contrary that argues we don't. If man is putting out more harmful gasses than a volcanic eruption does each and everyday as claimed I'm sure the effects would be beyond "Noticeable" with that amount being generated.... But note that when a volcano does go off these effects ARE apparent so you have a bit of a disconnect of fact and fiction between the two. Speaking of such, here's what happened as an example - It is an extreme example but shows what nature can do all on it's own. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa |
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Post by pioneerisloud on Aug 30, 2022 16:23:30 GMT -5
No way man himself has a greater effect on things than nature itself. Pundits claim we do and try to dismiss claims to the contrary that argues we don't. If man is putting out more harmful gasses than a volcanic eruption does each and everyday as claimed I'm sure the effects would be beyond "Noticeable" with that amount being generated.... But note that when a volcano does go off these effects ARE apparent so you have a bit of a disconnect of fact and fiction between the two. Speaking of such, here's what happened as an example - It is an extreme example but shows what nature can do all on it's own. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_KrakatoaWhat about that pretty extreme winter we had last year and in like February this year ish? Texas had snow and lost power. We had like 8 ft of snow here in WA state (my side). What happened last year before the winter hit? Oh yeah, the La Palma and Tonga eruptions. Not to mention the Hawaiian eruption going on too and whatever other volcanoes. The Tonga one was crazy, we HEARD that one all the way over here. Any mention of THAT effecting weather? Nahhhh. Did it? Probably, its pretty common knowledge that things like volcanic eruptions cause worse winters. |
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