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Post by Vinster on Sept 10, 2022 18:03:23 GMT -5
Times right now are not forever.
As things change around eco friendly cars, things will evolve. I'm sort of expecting that by 2030-2035 people will realize the long term impacts of battery cars (if they still haven't found an appropriate way to recycle the batteries.. Elon said in 2013 that he'll have it figured out in 10 years... well that's coming up...) that hydrogen powered cars (or new alternatives) will be the natural way for things to progress.
Vin
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Post by pioneerisloud on Sept 10, 2022 18:42:43 GMT -5
So with all that owning a house, updates and upgrades repairs.... I couldn't dream to afford a payment on an electric vehicle. You say that like its a problem?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 10, 2022 19:16:23 GMT -5
So with all that owning a house, updates and upgrades repairs.... I couldn't dream to afford a payment on an electric vehicle. You say that like its a problem? This dude at work has a brand new Jeep Hybrid Electric pays nearly a G-note a month dude. He lives with mom at your age or older....
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Post by zila1 on Sept 10, 2022 20:22:38 GMT -5
I am a blessed man. I worked hard from the time I was a kid. I saved my money and put it away. Although I did blow a lot of it on cars when I was young(stupid). I bought my first home when I was 20 years old. I paid cash for it. $25,000 in 1978. Lived in that house til 2021. I sold it for a small fortune. I couldn't believe what I was offered for it. Then I moved to Woodstock.....like Jon did. Paid cash for my new home and put a good sum of cash in the bank. I have always paid for everything in cash. I never finance anything. Grandpa always told me.........."if you ain't got the money in your pocket........don't buy it!". "Work for it!". And so I did. Til it hurt. And it did hurt. And now I'm beat. Got my house. Got my money. I am good and secure. And I am a cheap and stingy bastard with it. But most are not. I am counting my blessings.
Edit: Things are so much different now then when I got started. I don't know how the younger folks do it. My grandparents grew up in hard times...........but much better than now. My grandparents on both sides of my family had hundreds of acres of land and they worked that land to make a living and to make their fortunes. Ain't so easy now. Not much land left for anyone anymore. For what we pay for a single house now my grandpa used to buy hundreds of acres with. Just don't know.
Now they are pushing these stupid electric cars on us like they are gonna save the world with them. Well fuck that.
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Post by Bones on Sept 10, 2022 20:57:17 GMT -5
EV's ain't gonna save shit. It's something to help legitimize more control and it's one facet of the overall agenda, to make damned sure we are further in debt and not able to get around as easily, plus to make the likes of Gore and company rich. No one is touting the reality of what's to come with this and for good reason - If they did these things would not be selling as they are now which around here ain't too good to start with. Let's see.... Cost to get the EV - Roughly $60,000 on average, depending on where you are and what model you get. The cost of the charger itself - That's gonna be up in the thousands too. Setup of the charger at your home - Means you'll have to have wiring work done to the home and we know that's expensive too, also up in thousands of dollars. Required maintenance - That cost will also be at a premium because it's the "New" and no one outside of a dealership with their equipment will be able to do much of anything with them and that's only for the usual stuff - Not counting when things really do go wrong and the fact the batteries will give out before the EV itself will and we've all seen how that works out. Note the example below is for a base model EV and it's base model battery. I could go on but not going to, all this is more than enough for me to say take your EV's and shove 'em up your anal charge port. I saw a commercial earlier that was talking about the new generation having the answers..... Suuuure they do - And if they do have them, they need to get the hell out of dad's basement already and move out on their own while they still know everything. It's really a case of not even knowing the questions to ask, much less having the answers to give for them but one day they will know - At least some will but the ways things are going now it will probrably be too late at that time. I'm waiting to see how widespread grid failures will become, folks getting fired because they coudn't charge their EV up just to be at their job the next day, how they are going to deal with disasters when the power is knocked out for days if not weeks and you can bet towing companies will have plenty of positions available with all the OT you can stand - That all just being the tip of the iceberg here concerning EV's.
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Post by rushed on Sept 10, 2022 23:22:17 GMT -5
I am a blessed man. I worked hard from the time I was a kid. I saved my money and put it away. Although I did blow a lot of it on cars when I was young(stupid). I bought my first home when I was 20 years old. I paid cash for it. $25,000 in 1978. Lived in that house til 2021. I sold it for a small fortune. I couldn't believe what I was offered for it. Then I moved to Woodstock.....like Jon did. Paid cash for my new home and put a good sum of cash in the bank. I have always paid for everything in cash. I never finance anything. Grandpa always told me.........."if you ain't got the money in your pocket........don't buy it!". "Work for it!". And so I did. Til it hurt. And it did hurt. And now I'm beat. Got my house. Got my money. I am good and secure. And I am a cheap and stingy bastard with it. But most are not. I am counting my blessings. Edit: Things are so much different now then when I got started. I don't know how the younger folks do it. My grandparents grew up in hard times...........but much better than now. My grandparents on both sides of my family had hundreds of acres of land and they worked that land to make a living and to make their fortunes. Ain't so easy now. Not much land left for anyone anymore. For what we pay for a single house now my grandpa used to buy hundreds of acres with. Just don't know. Now they are pushing these stupid electric cars on us like they are gonna save the world with them. Well fuck that. Not sure how people do it either, land sold for over 40k an acre a bit ago here even riverland they want 17k an acre for. I've been trying to save up for something myself; but absolute cheapest I can figure out is 65k for a 1 bedroom in town that i'd have to hand build; or for what i'd really like ~3acres in the country would be 165k about around here for the same thing. Makes me consider leaving this area honestly. No clue where I would go though; don't really like crowds or busy roads, I live just above the termite line so most of the bugs die in the winter here keeping them down most of the year. I'm not a huge fan of the heat either.
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Post by austin86 on Sept 13, 2022 12:20:45 GMT -5
Oh by all means, I'm absolutely "low income". I was approved for about $140k, which unfortunately wouldn't buy me ANYTHING in the current housing market. Low? I live on 15-18k a year... Starting next march I should be living on 12-15k as my car will be payed off.
I know it's not for everyone but you can try finding a home that is a duplex or too big and duplex it yourself. You can technically get a investment property loan on that kind of home witch may give you some more wiggle room on down-payments and interests rates depending on your bank.
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Post by Vinster on Sept 22, 2022 0:10:48 GMT -5
lol watch for a few min and then he gets in to Electric Cars and California.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 22, 2022 0:43:22 GMT -5
lol watch for a few min and then he gets in to Electric Cars and California. Vin Gonna be honest... I can't stand that guy. Edit. Fuck I watched it 3/4 the way through and had to stop when he said Honda makes great cars. I gotta get some of the shit this guy smokes.
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Post by austin86 on Sept 22, 2022 9:04:52 GMT -5
Gonna be honest... I can't stand that guy. Edit. Fuck I watched it 3/4 the way through and had to stop when he said Honda makes great cars. I gotta get some of the shit this guy smokes. He must be thinking about how great a Honda sounds with a high flow muffler... lol
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 22, 2022 9:17:18 GMT -5
Gonna be honest... I can't stand that guy. Edit. Fuck I watched it 3/4 the way through and had to stop when he said Honda makes great cars. I gotta get some of the shit this guy smokes. He must be thinking about how great a Honda sounds with a high flow muffler... lol Not sure what he was thinking. Only the ricers like em.
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Post by austin86 on Sept 22, 2022 10:44:26 GMT -5
He must be thinking about how great a Honda sounds with a high flow muffler... lol Not sure what he was thinking. Only the ricers like em. Around here every Honda has a fart can on it. Not that I have much room to complain, I have a fiesta with 2.5 exhaust... at least its not a fart can lol
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 5, 2022 6:54:03 GMT -5
Data is a little dated based on model years but does give some idea of added time to trips. Outlander, what would someone want with one!!! With the 43-50 kW Rapid adds 2 hours to the 66 miles I drive to Redding and back to buy pot. Tesla does give you little under 4 hours of drive time at 60 mph, just hope your next pod point has more than 3.7 kW slow. Also caught some information the faster the charge rates the higher the cost per kW.
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Post by zila1 on Oct 5, 2022 9:31:14 GMT -5
Well, our time is apparently limited for these great cars. The EVs are coming. This is no longer "my time". I understand the advancement of technology but this one just doesn't feel right.
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Post by zila1 on Oct 5, 2022 10:20:55 GMT -5
What I'm really interested in seeing is how salvage yards will handle all that hazardous waste. This is gonna get super dirty. Millions upon millions of tons of dead battery waste. How to recycle this stuff without it getting into our eco system. This will be akin to nuclear waste. Boy we humans really F things up don't we?? We are a filthy species. Hell, we're polluting our neighboring planets with all the crap we are dumping on them and we don't live on them yet. We didn't clean up our moon after all that so called exploration up there. All that Apollo equipment is still up there including the batteries in the moon rovers and such. Now I could see it becoming a big business for some company to take over the cleanup of all this stuff. Now that would be cool. But it has to be done right. That is what they should have done first. As it is right now we're just gonna tear up our planet with this crap.
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Post by austin86 on Oct 10, 2022 12:37:02 GMT -5
What I'm really interested in seeing is how salvage yards will handle all that hazardous waste. This is gonna get super dirty. Millions upon millions of tons of dead battery waste. How to recycle this stuff without it getting into our eco system. This will be akin to nuclear waste. Boy we humans really F things up don't we?? We are a filthy species. Hell, we're polluting our neighboring planets with all the crap we are dumping on them and we don't live on them yet. We didn't clean up our moon after all that so called exploration up there. All that Apollo equipment is still up there including the batteries in the moon rovers and such. Now I could see it becoming a big business for some company to take over the cleanup of all this stuff. Now that would be cool. But it has to be done right. That is what they should have done first. As it is right now we're just gonna tear up our planet with this crap. And all the fires that will no doubt happen
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Post by Vinster on Oct 10, 2022 21:21:55 GMT -5
I had an epiphany today... junk yard racers and demolition derbies will be like the dodo bird like in 50 years when there only be electric cars available.. smashing them up with explosive batteries wont likely be a thing... unless there is some sort of conversion/armored batteries that come out in the future...
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 11, 2022 0:48:31 GMT -5
I had an epiphany today... junk yard racers and demolition derbies will be like the dodo bird like in 50 years when there only be electric cars available.. smashing them up with explosive batteries wont likely be a thing... unless there is some sort of conversion/armored batteries that come out in the future... Vin Nah, Vin. You don't know us Americans that well. The true backyard junkers do LS swaps in Tesla cars. Since chevy's LS motor, I don't think there's very many cars that haven't had an LS swap yet haha!! My youngest was saying Chevy as his second word. First was dad. Mom came sometime after that hehe...
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Post by austin86 on Oct 11, 2022 8:05:57 GMT -5
Since chevy's LS motor, I don't think there's very many cars that haven't had an LS swap yet haha!! Yes 99% of everything has had an LS swapped into it and for good reasons as its a cheap near perfect v8. Heck SBC has been shoved into everything, even a smart car.
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sorry big block was crammed into a smart car
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Post by Vinster on Oct 11, 2022 20:53:52 GMT -5
nah I get that, I'm thinking if it will be only electric cars by 2035... there wont be gas available after 2050. eventually they will force the demand once they don't get what they want.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 11, 2022 21:29:32 GMT -5
nah I get that, I'm thinking if it will be only electric cars by 2035... there wont be gas available after 2050. eventually they will force the demand once they don't get what they want. Vin Highly doubt these time lines are accurate. That's totally optimistic. For starters, in Illinois where Eddie and I are located, the state still runs 70% off coal power plants. Changing cars on coal power plants will be worse for the environment. Also, it's not petrol engines that causes the most NoX emissions, it's the desiel trucks and machines. Cars today burn way more efficiently than ever before. Gas engines will be around long after we die. Because they won't build nice new nuclear power plants, we will be stuck in the stone age. Thank the tree huggers for that shit. No to nuclear, no to coal. Solar power only won't sustain 8 trillion people. It just won't. Save a tree and die trying.
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Post by Bones on Oct 11, 2022 21:56:04 GMT -5
I had an epiphany today... junk yard racers and demolition derbies will be like the dodo bird like in 50 years when there only be electric cars available.. smashing them up with explosive batteries wont likely be a thing... unless there is some sort of conversion/armored batteries that come out in the future... Vin That's how you'd "Kill" your opponents. Instead of smashing a radiator, you'd smash the battery. Of course it will result in the obvious but I doubt anyone would care with how things are going downhill these days.
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Post by Vinster on Oct 12, 2022 0:16:24 GMT -5
nah I get that, I'm thinking if it will be only electric cars by 2035... there wont be gas available after 2050. eventually they will force the demand once they don't get what they want. Vin Highly doubt these time lines are accurate. That's totally optimistic. For starters, in Illinois where Eddie and I are located, the state still runs 70% off coal power plants. Changing cars on coal power plants will be worse for the environment. Also, it's not petrol engines that causes the most NoX emissions, it's the desiel trucks and machines. Cars today burn way more efficiently than ever before. Gas engines will be around long after we die. Because they won't build nice new nuclear power plants, we will be stuck in the stone age. Thank the tree huggers for that shit. No to nuclear, no to coal. Solar power only won't sustain 8 trillion people. It just won't. Save a tree and die trying.
I think you're give the intelligence of policy makers too much credit. Esp with the fact that by then most if not all of them would have been raised in the mindset that "oil and gas is bad" [ever hear the 5 monkeys experiment? .. see the PS at the bottom if you haven't]
It's the same type of people that have put California in the state they are in now... "Buy Electric Cars" on Mondays news.. and by Fridays news "we have an electricity shortage, don't use AC in your house or delay charging your car. The schedule for the rolling blackouts will be announced on Monday. Tune in then to see how this will affect you." Like what the hairy f### is that bullshit...
These people have good intent, they're trying, something HAS to be done... But they don't have the know-how and aren't consulting with any resource agencies to understand the impact or gain any know-how... they aren't looking at how things things work. They operate under the bleeding edge of failure to find the issues and then when what-ever is broken enough to impact the tax payers they create some "Task Force" to investigate a solution, which already know the issue.. it's smack dab in their face, but they want one of their buddies consulting firms to run the "Task Force" to help funnel gov funds their own way...
politicians find ways to steal money legally... that is their job... no politician makes a lot of $$$.. but their lifestyle would prove otherwise.
Here is Ontario Canada.. the government paid for windmills (sorry, let me refrain.. Tax Payers paid for windmills). This is Green Energy. Will create jobs to build, skilled jobs to install and maintain... But in the winter when there is ice on the blades, we need helicopters with de-icing fluid to remove the ice or it'll break the blade... The cost of these Mills are insane... but what is more insane is the fact that the energy it produces doesn't even pay for 50% of the total cost to make, install and maintain that mill in the 20-30 years it's expected to last...
Once this came out, there was an uproar... the current gov blamed the one in power at that time and said "they failed to conduct the necessary research to understand the sustainability of the project over it's lifespan" and that was it... dumbass ppl said.. "well ok.. ther're up now" AND THAT WAS IT...
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 12, 2022 1:09:48 GMT -5
No my friend, the southern half of America, Like Texas and Kentucky will not follow California's trends. Never have and never will. These states are pretty much their own countries and are totally pro gun, pro gas and go fast. Those monkeys just won't do electric cars.
Try to talk a farmer into electric equipment.... ya good luck.
Windmills and Solar.
The issue is the energy loss through conversion. It's just not efficient.
A windmill at 690v is considered low energy production. So you need to chop all the trees down to put enough windmills up to supply energy.
If the world was 75% or better Nuclear powered, all this would make great sense. And we'd have extra power.
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Post by austin86 on Oct 12, 2022 9:18:18 GMT -5
No to nuclear, no to coal. Solar power only won't sustain 8 trillion people. It just won't. Thing is solar is no better, the batterys and panels have a lot of rare earth elements and they are not the simplest thing to dispose off. Hydro is likely the best from of power for the environment if you ask me.
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 13, 2022 6:13:45 GMT -5
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Post by eidairman1 on Oct 17, 2022 20:31:34 GMT -5
lol watch for a few min and then he gets in to Electric Cars and California. Vin Gonna be honest... I can't stand that guy. Edit. Fuck I watched it 3/4 the way through and had to stop when he said Honda makes great cars. I gotta get some of the shit this guy smokes. I agree on Honda but even toyotas can be overrated
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Post by eidairman1 on Oct 17, 2022 20:33:31 GMT -5
No my friend, the southern half of America, Like Texas and Kentucky will not follow California's trends. Never have and never will. These states are pretty much their own countries and are totally pro gun, pro gas and go fast. Those monkeys just won't do electric cars. Try to talk a farmer into electric equipment.... ya good luck. Windmills and Solar. The issue is the energy loss through conversion. It's just not efficient. A windmill at 690v is considered low energy production. So you need to chop all the trees down to put enough windmills up to supply energy. If the world was 75% or better Nuclear powered, all this would make great sense. And we'd have extra power. There is a wind farm headed towards Matagorsa through Bay City area, its very sad to see.
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Post by eidairman1 on Oct 17, 2022 20:34:49 GMT -5
No to nuclear, no to coal. Solar power only won't sustain 8 trillion people. It just won't. Thing is solar is no better, the batterys and panels have a lot of rare earth elements and they are not the simplest thing to dispose off. Hydro is likely the best from of power for the environment if you ask me. I believe nuclear is 1 avenue besides clean coal, and hydro in areas it has
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Post by austin86 on Oct 17, 2022 21:17:51 GMT -5
Thing is solar is no better, the batterys and panels have a lot of rare earth elements and they are not the simplest thing to dispose off. Hydro is likely the best from of power for the environment if you ask me. I believe nuclear is 1 avenue besides clean coal, and hydro in areas it has nuclear has the problem of spent fuel rods. but what is clean coal?
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