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Post by eidairman1 on Aug 31, 2022 23:19:04 GMT -5
No way man himself has a greater effect on things than nature itself. Pundits claim we do and try to dismiss claims to the contrary that argues we don't. If man is putting out more harmful gasses than a volcanic eruption does each and everyday as claimed I'm sure the effects would be beyond "Noticeable" with that amount being generated.... But note that when a volcano does go off these effects ARE apparent so you have a bit of a disconnect of fact and fiction between the two. Speaking of such, here's what happened as an example - It is an extreme example but shows what nature can do all on it's own. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_KrakatoaWhat about that pretty extreme winter we had last year and in like February this year ish? Texas had snow and lost power. We had like 8 ft of snow here in WA state (my side). What happened last year before the winter hit? Oh yeah, the La Palma and Tonga eruptions. Not to mention the Hawaiian eruption going on too and whatever other volcanoes. The Tonga one was crazy, we HEARD that one all the way over here. Any mention of THAT effecting weather? Nahhhh. Did it? Probably, its pretty common knowledge that things like volcanic eruptions cause worse winters. South Texas gets Snow once in a while, nothing new, having the power under Ercot however should of never happened. Go towards Matagorda through Bay City (Small Town, think Greenland vs Iceland) and there are those silly wind turbines... I do remember University Place, Lakewood Washington, and other parts losing power in 2011/2012 during a winter storm.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Sept 1, 2022 11:49:22 GMT -5
What about that pretty extreme winter we had last year and in like February this year ish? Texas had snow and lost power. We had like 8 ft of snow here in WA state (my side). What happened last year before the winter hit? Oh yeah, the La Palma and Tonga eruptions. Not to mention the Hawaiian eruption going on too and whatever other volcanoes. The Tonga one was crazy, we HEARD that one all the way over here. Any mention of THAT effecting weather? Nahhhh. Did it? Probably, its pretty common knowledge that things like volcanic eruptions cause worse winters. South Texas gets Snow once in a while, nothing new, having the power under Ercot however should of never happened. Go towards Matagorda through Bay City (Small Town, think Greenland vs Iceland) and there are those silly wind turbines... I do remember University Place, Lakewood Washington, and other parts losing power in 2011/2012 during a winter storm. Oh absolutely. I'm not 100% blaming EVERYTHING on the volcanos, just stating it probably had a little bit to do with the "extreme" winter we had last year. Where I'm at in WA, we regularly have snow, but its not always 8 ft of the stuff. Last time we had THAT much snow was the winter of 1996. It does happen, just not often. And Seattle area has been losing power moreso during the summer than the winter, but last winter they lost power too. Drive down into the Gorge here in WA state, and you'll see miles and miles of those garbage wind turbines. The state's been slowly moving from nuclear and hydro over to wind power for years now. With the less efficient "green" energy, and more and more energy consumption......gee, wonder why the lights are going off? -_- Not to mention how absolutely horrible that part of the state LOOKS now. Who wants to go look at the natural beauty? Oh wait, we can't, now its wind farms and solar panels everywhere. To be honest, I find the dams a lot more interesting to look at.
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Post by eidairman1 on Sept 1, 2022 14:12:13 GMT -5
South Texas gets Snow once in a while, nothing new, having the power under Ercot however should of never happened. Go towards Matagorda through Bay City (Small Town, think Greenland vs Iceland) and there are those silly wind turbines... I do remember University Place, Lakewood Washington, and other parts losing power in 2011/2012 during a winter storm. Oh absolutely. I'm not 100% blaming EVERYTHING on the volcanos, just stating it probably had a little bit to do with the "extreme" winter we had last year. Where I'm at in WA, we regularly have snow, but its not always 8 ft of the stuff. Last time we had THAT much snow was the winter of 1996. It does happen, just not often. And Seattle area has been losing power moreso during the summer than the winter, but last winter they lost power too. Drive down into the Gorge here in WA state, and you'll see miles and miles of those garbage wind turbines. The state's been slowly moving from nuclear and hydro over to wind power for years now. With the less efficient "green" energy, and more and more energy consumption......gee, wonder why the lights are going off? -_- Not to mention how absolutely horrible that part of the state LOOKS now. Who wants to go look at the natural beauty? Oh wait, we can't, now its wind farms and solar panels everywhere. To be honest, I find the dams a lot more interesting to look at. Yeah the turbines still kill tons of fowl, plus are ugly, are not recyclable have to be burried, its a control tactic by the communist party of america.
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Post by austin86 on Sept 1, 2022 14:24:31 GMT -5
are not recyclable have to be burried I saw a report about a company that was looking into ways to use the fiberglass blades. I'm sure given time some one will find a way to reuse them, kinda like old tires.
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Post by eidairman1 on Sept 1, 2022 17:23:24 GMT -5
are not recyclable have to be burried I saw a report about a company that was looking into ways to use the fiberglass blades. I'm sure given time some one will find a way to reuse them, kinda like old tires. Makes you wonder if the composites used in aircraft have been reused...
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Post by mel0n on Sept 4, 2022 16:27:56 GMT -5
They aren't what they are advertised to be. In fact they make no real financial sense or common sense. We're just trading off one type of pollution for one that is even worse. I have driven them and so far..........not impressed. Rip off. Sure do love how California is moving to ban sales of ICE vehicles, but also has advised people not to charge their electric cars due to power grid issues...
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 4, 2022 16:53:03 GMT -5
Sure do love how California is moving to ban sales of ICE vehicles, but also has advised people not to charge their electric cars due to power grid issues... Saw that yesterday. Soon Biden will have everybody have their own windmill to run their house. lol
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Post by Bones on Sept 4, 2022 17:23:32 GMT -5
Sure do love how California is moving to ban sales of ICE vehicles, but also has advised people not to charge their electric cars due to power grid issues... Saw that yesterday. Soon Biden will have everybody have their own windmill to run their house. lol Then one day some crazy "Joe" Quixote type will show up and try to joust it.... There go the lights.
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Post by mel0n on Sept 4, 2022 17:48:50 GMT -5
Sure do love how California is moving to ban sales of ICE vehicles, but also has advised people not to charge their electric cars due to power grid issues... Saw that yesterday. Soon Biden will have everybody have their own windmill to run their house. lol
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Post by austin86 on Sept 6, 2022 12:20:47 GMT -5
I saw a report about a company that was looking into ways to use the fiberglass blades. I'm sure given time some one will find a way to reuse them, kinda like old tires. Makes you wonder if the composites used in aircraft have been reused... That is a good point. I would think the blades could be ground up and used as a filler for concrete or something like that.
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Post by eidairman1 on Sept 6, 2022 13:06:12 GMT -5
Makes you wonder if the composites used in aircraft have been reused... That is a good point. I would think the blades could be ground up and used as a filler for concrete or something like that. Floor panels, fuselage, wing spars
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Post by rushed on Sept 6, 2022 16:54:37 GMT -5
I'm all for cheap green energy...that being said...
Electric cars are heavier, have massive efficiency loss via electrical system in the grand scheme of things, burn tires faster which are 1000x more polluting than gas emissions. Cost and the issue of lithium batteries isn't a good one either. Lithium mining is the most harmful environmental mining practice on the planet, and disposal is an issue after they're spent.
Windmills have a greater environmental impact just producing and maintaining them than they grant in energy savings/creations, they also ruin the land where they are placed forever becoming untillable, and we put in service roads that are similarly bad for the soil. Then you have the bird problem. Also, if you've ever heard a bearing going out of one of these things you'll never want one within 10 miles of your house. Currently windmills typically never even pay for production cost before decommissioning.
Solar panels seem good, but we haven't figured out what to do with the PV cells once they are degraded. They usually put toxic metals into land fills around the country which is sad and polluting.
Hydro and nuclear are really the clear winners but each of them have challenges mostly engineering challenges though if we aren't neglectful they would be ideal.
Imo if we want to be greener we should focus on efforts that make clear impacts. Beefier insulation factors for buildings, more efficient methods of heating and cooling, and creating products that stand the test of time that aren't obsolete in a few years.
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Post by eidairman1 on Sept 7, 2022 0:03:14 GMT -5
I'm all for cheap green energy...that being said... Electric cars are heavier, have massive efficiency loss via electrical system in the grand scheme of things, burn tires faster which are 1000x more polluting than gas emissions. Cost and the issue of lithium batteries isn't a good one either. Lithium mining is the most harmful environmental mining practice on the planet, and disposal is an issue after they're spent. Windmills have a greater environmental impact just producing and maintaining them than they grant in energy savings/creations, they also ruin the land where they are placed forever becoming untillable, and we put in service roads that are similarly bad for the soil. Then you have the bird problem. Also, if you've ever heard a bearing going out of one of these things you'll never want one within 10 miles of your house. Currently windmills typically never even pay for production cost before decommissioning. Solar panels seem good, but we haven't figured out what to do with the PV cells once they are degraded. They usually put toxic metals into land fills around the country which is sad and polluting. Hydro and nuclear are really the clear winners but each of them have challenges mostly engineering challenges though if we aren't neglectful they would be ideal. Imo if we want to be greener we should focus on efforts that make clear impacts. Beefier insulation factors for buildings, more efficient methods of heating and cooling, and creating products that stand the test of time that aren't obsolete in a few years. Its all a scam to oppress and enslave the People of the US, to eliminate the working class American. Hydrogen/LNG is a solution, can be retrofitted to existing engines too.
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Post by Vinster on Sept 7, 2022 23:38:59 GMT -5
Windmills have a greater environmental impact just producing and maintaining them than they grant in energy savings/creations, they also ruin the land where they are placed forever becoming untillable, and we put in service roads that are similarly bad for the soil. Then you have the bird problem. Also, if you've ever heard a bearing going out of one of these things you'll never want one within 10 miles of your house. Currently windmills typically never even pay for production cost before decommissioning.
I have a bud in that industry... it's just a make work program. The electricity they make only account for a small percentage of the cost that is take to erect and maintain them. Only time it's sensible is for the small units for single family homes. I have another bud that's 100% green energy that lives in the country. He has solar and wind with a battery system in his basement. The small wind unit (I think a 24 or 36" blade span) makes up only 3-5% of his electricity per month.
He figured it's windy when the sun isn't out. sort-of breaks even on it's cost.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Sept 8, 2022 2:31:46 GMT -5
Windmills have a greater environmental impact just producing and maintaining them than they grant in energy savings/creations, they also ruin the land where they are placed forever becoming untillable, and we put in service roads that are similarly bad for the soil. Then you have the bird problem. Also, if you've ever heard a bearing going out of one of these things you'll never want one within 10 miles of your house. Currently windmills typically never even pay for production cost before decommissioning.
I have a bud in that industry... it's just a make work program. The electricity they make only account for a small percentage of the cost that is take to erect and maintain them. Only time it's sensible is for the small units for single family homes. I have another bud that's 100% green energy that lives in the country. He has solar and wind with a battery system in his basement. The small wind unit (I think a 24 or 36" blade span) makes up only 3-5% of his electricity per month.
He figured it's windy when the sun isn't out. sort-of breaks even on it's cost.
Vin
Solar does make some decent sense if you can build it cheap enough to be cost effective....for a SINGLE family house. It's not meant to substitute the grid as a whole, and should never have been treated as such. Same thing with wind, although, as you mentioned, wind is about useless. Once I'm a homeowner, I wouldn't mind building my own solar array with a ton of batteries in a basement or garage or whatever. But....as mentioned, it'd have to be cost effective to do so to start with. Some of these "kits" they're selling (at least up here in WA state) are absolutely ridiculously priced and would NEVER pay for themselves long term with equipment failures, battery failures, etc. To be honest, I'd probably start off with the battery banks myself, so I have a "whole house UPS" kinda deal. And eventually add in the solar panels to negate the grid usage till I'm fully off it. Probably how I personally would do it. Idk if "laws" would even allow that though. -_-
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Post by Vinster on Sept 8, 2022 16:19:58 GMT -5
I cheap way to potentially get batteries is going to a Forklift Service center and getting used cells from them. Some places don't wirry about individual cells in the box, they'll replace the whole thin... Could can lead to 2-4+ (depending on the lift and batty config) good batteries... now that they are used the shop can't use them and then pay to recycle them. Some batteries can also be saved.
for the batteries. don't store them in your basement. They need good ventilation. They produce gases when charging and pulling high loads. same like the batteries that live in car trunks now. they all have vent lines to outside.
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Post by Bones on Sept 8, 2022 18:45:39 GMT -5
I cheap way to potentially get batteries is going to a Forklift Service center and getting used cells from them. Some places don't wirry about individual cells in the box, they'll replace the whole thin... Could can lead to 2-4+ (depending on the lift and batty config) good batteries... now that they are used the shop can't use them and then pay to recycle them. Some batteries can also be saved. for the batteries. don't store them in your basement. They need good ventilation. They produce gases when charging and pulling high loads. same like the batteries that live in car trunks now. they all have vent lines to outside. Vin Actually most, if not all don't have or carry battery cells, they call a battery dealer/company such as Exide and have them come out and replace the cells in an industrial battery onsite. I used to work for a couple of forklift dealers/repair companies to know this - If a battery needed work, we gave them a call. What normally causes a battery to be retired would be the condition of it's casing, that's when they'd be hauled off for disposal/recycle.
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Post by Vinster on Sept 8, 2022 20:04:13 GMT -5
I cheap way to potentially get batteries is going to a Forklift Service center and getting used cells from them. Some places don't wirry about individual cells in the box, they'll replace the whole thin... Could can lead to 2-4+ (depending on the lift and batty config) good batteries... now that they are used the shop can't use them and then pay to recycle them. Some batteries can also be saved. for the batteries. don't store them in your basement. They need good ventilation. They produce gases when charging and pulling high loads. same like the batteries that live in car trunks now. they all have vent lines to outside. Vin Actually most, if not all don't have or carry battery cells, they call a battery dealer/company such as Exide and have them come out and replace the cells in an industrial battery onsite. I used to work for a couple of forklift dealers/repair companies to know this - If a battery needed work, we gave them a call. What normally causes a battery to be retired would be the condition of it's casing, that's when they'd be hauled off for disposal/recycle.
Must be your area, out here I guess it's slightly different.
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Post by rushed on Sept 8, 2022 20:25:51 GMT -5
I have a bud in that industry... it's just a make work program. The electricity they make only account for a small percentage of the cost that is take to erect and maintain them. Only time it's sensible is for the small units for single family homes. I have another bud that's 100% green energy that lives in the country. He has solar and wind with a battery system in his basement. The small wind unit (I think a 24 or 36" blade span) makes up only 3-5% of his electricity per month.
He figured it's windy when the sun isn't out. sort-of breaks even on it's cost.
Vin
Solar does make some decent sense if you can build it cheap enough to be cost effective....for a SINGLE family house. It's not meant to substitute the grid as a whole, and should never have been treated as such. Same thing with wind, although, as you mentioned, wind is about useless. Once I'm a homeowner, I wouldn't mind building my own solar array with a ton of batteries in a basement or garage or whatever. But....as mentioned, it'd have to be cost effective to do so to start with. Some of these "kits" they're selling (at least up here in WA state) are absolutely ridiculously priced and would NEVER pay for themselves long term with equipment failures, battery failures, etc. To be honest, I'd probably start off with the battery banks myself, so I have a "whole house UPS" kinda deal. And eventually add in the solar panels to negate the grid usage till I'm fully off it. Probably how I personally would do it. Idk if "laws" would even allow that though. -_- Even DIY a battery system won't pay for itself until 20ish years at that point you need a new system... Grid-tie system would offset your summer A/C costs a ton though and probably pay for itself in 4-5 years if you DIY it
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Post by cssorkinman on Sept 8, 2022 22:06:47 GMT -5
Climate change was happening long before man and it's a good thing for us it did, or we wouldn't be here. The last 150 years have been an unusually mild period weather wise , the last 50 leading up to the turn of this century in particular as far as the history of the planet is concerned.
Global warming, well yeah that happens too, but in the not too distant past ( geologically speaking ) the average temperature on this planet was 98F - now it's just over 70F.
I'm 56, I doubt I'll live to see ICE's completely replaced by electric cars. Perhaps some other technology will come along or existing ones improved to the point of being practical and I'd sooner bet on that.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Sept 8, 2022 23:12:22 GMT -5
Solar does make some decent sense if you can build it cheap enough to be cost effective....for a SINGLE family house. It's not meant to substitute the grid as a whole, and should never have been treated as such. Same thing with wind, although, as you mentioned, wind is about useless. Once I'm a homeowner, I wouldn't mind building my own solar array with a ton of batteries in a basement or garage or whatever. But....as mentioned, it'd have to be cost effective to do so to start with. Some of these "kits" they're selling (at least up here in WA state) are absolutely ridiculously priced and would NEVER pay for themselves long term with equipment failures, battery failures, etc. To be honest, I'd probably start off with the battery banks myself, so I have a "whole house UPS" kinda deal. And eventually add in the solar panels to negate the grid usage till I'm fully off it. Probably how I personally would do it. Idk if "laws" would even allow that though. -_- Even DIY a battery system won't pay for itself until 20ish years at that point you need a new system... Grid-tie system would offset your summer A/C costs a ton though and probably pay for itself in 4-5 years if you DIY it Well, having hookups in the car audio communities helps a ton too. I can get 100ah AGM's for stupid cheap. Just stack a couple of those every paycheck, and before you know it I can power the whole house off battery power in case of outages for a few hours. Keep going and it'd last a day or two. I could probably get a discount buying them by the pallet too, which is also an option I could take advantage of. I wasn't talking about paying $400 per battery, or going lithium. I'm a budget builder 99% of the time when I'm doing something. If I can get AGM's for stupid cheap, I'll go with those and take up a little more space than lithium would. And yeah, it'd be DIY. It'd be a learning process as I've never ACTUALLY done anything with AC wiring before, but it can't be that difficult. OFC I'd have it inspected before going live too. This is all just theoretical at this point still anyway. I'm still a renting pleb. I own nothing, and I'm not too happy about it. -_-
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 9, 2022 2:01:13 GMT -5
I bought a house. From renting many many years. Last year. Now 210,000 US dollars in debt. (edit, lets not forget the taxes) Not happy about that. Everything is so expensive. Fence 10,400$- Weekly food family of 5 300$ minimum. Weekly. Need toiletries and such, add 200$ twice monthly. My roof starts to leak over the winter, water damage, possibly mold.... that bill is in my lap. Thousands of dollars.... Not sure man. I'm standing on a 10,000 dollar fence wondering if any of this "owning some shit" is going to make any difference to me when I'm dead and gone... probably not. But my kids might have the pleasure of getting some cash out of the deal or use of the property. But by myself.... I'd rather rent. A furnace ain't cheap. Washer and Dryer ain't cheap. Lawn tractors ain't cheap..... It's been stressful so far. I own a car that needs a 3500$ tranny rebuild. 2600$ even if I pull it myself. So I have to stop and think.... Is it worth 1000$ for someone else to pull everything? Maybe? I don't know man. It's a lot of money, but not really a lot of money. It's a flat rate, but probably at least 4-5 hours to tear down and another 4-5 to put it all back together. WITHOUT MISTAKES is my concern. My wife and child use it. Just seems like 10 times more heavy shit on my shoulders sometimes. I juggle quite a bit as you might see. lol. So owning a house in my position just made the struggles a bit more .... umm costly I guess would be the way to put it. Everything is thousands of dollars these days. When we started out as 3 of us about 20 years ago... food was no more than 80 bucks a week at most man. 300% increase in only 20 years... or the last couple more over.
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Post by rushed on Sept 9, 2022 7:43:56 GMT -5
Even DIY a battery system won't pay for itself until 20ish years at that point you need a new system... Grid-tie system would offset your summer A/C costs a ton though and probably pay for itself in 4-5 years if you DIY it Well, having hookups in the car audio communities helps a ton too. I can get 100ah AGM's for stupid cheap. Just stack a couple of those every paycheck, and before you know it I can power the whole house off battery power in case of outages for a few hours. Keep going and it'd last a day or two. I could probably get a discount buying them by the pallet too, which is also an option I could take advantage of. I wasn't talking about paying $400 per battery, or going lithium. I'm a budget builder 99% of the time when I'm doing something. If I can get AGM's for stupid cheap, I'll go with those and take up a little more space than lithium would. And yeah, it'd be DIY. It'd be a learning process as I've never ACTUALLY done anything with AC wiring before, but it can't be that difficult. OFC I'd have it inspected before going live too. This is all just theoretical at this point still anyway. I'm still a renting pleb. I own nothing, and I'm not too happy about it. -_- I feel that, land alone is 50k around here...I don't quite make 50k unfortunately...not a happy camper about that tbh
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Post by pioneerisloud on Sept 9, 2022 10:33:41 GMT -5
I bought a house. From renting many many years. Last year. Now 210,000 US dollars in debt. (edit, lets not forget the taxes) Not happy about that. Everything is so expensive. Fence 10,400$- Weekly food family of 5 300$ minimum. Weekly. Need toiletries and such, add 200$ twice monthly. My roof starts to leak over the winter, water damage, possibly mold.... that bill is in my lap. Thousands of dollars.... Not sure man. I'm standing on a 10,000 dollar fence wondering if any of this "owning some shit" is going to make any difference to me when I'm dead and gone... probably not. But my kids might have the pleasure of getting some cash out of the deal or use of the property. But by myself.... I'd rather rent. A furnace ain't cheap. Washer and Dryer ain't cheap. Lawn tractors ain't cheap..... It's been stressful so far. I own a car that needs a 3500$ tranny rebuild. 2600$ even if I pull it myself. So I have to stop and think.... Is it worth 1000$ for someone else to pull everything? Maybe? I don't know man. It's a lot of money, but not really a lot of money. It's a flat rate, but probably at least 4-5 hours to tear down and another 4-5 to put it all back together. WITHOUT MISTAKES is my concern. My wife and child use it. Just seems like 10 times more heavy shit on my shoulders sometimes. I juggle quite a bit as you might see. lol. So owning a house in my position just made the struggles a bit more .... umm costly I guess would be the way to put it. Everything is thousands of dollars these days. When we started out as 3 of us about 20 years ago... food was no more than 80 bucks a week at most man. 300% increase in only 20 years... or the last couple more over. Well, having hookups in the car audio communities helps a ton too. I can get 100ah AGM's for stupid cheap. Just stack a couple of those every paycheck, and before you know it I can power the whole house off battery power in case of outages for a few hours. Keep going and it'd last a day or two. I could probably get a discount buying them by the pallet too, which is also an option I could take advantage of. I wasn't talking about paying $400 per battery, or going lithium. I'm a budget builder 99% of the time when I'm doing something. If I can get AGM's for stupid cheap, I'll go with those and take up a little more space than lithium would. And yeah, it'd be DIY. It'd be a learning process as I've never ACTUALLY done anything with AC wiring before, but it can't be that difficult. OFC I'd have it inspected before going live too. This is all just theoretical at this point still anyway. I'm still a renting pleb. I own nothing, and I'm not too happy about it. -_- I feel that, land alone is 50k around here...I don't quite make 50k unfortunately...not a happy camper about that tbh Oh by all means, I'm absolutely "low income". I was approved for about $140k, which unfortunately wouldn't buy me ANYTHING in the current housing market. So I'm being forced to wait for the market to come back down some. I figure once things correct, that "should" be enough to buy a double wide on a bit of land out in the boonies. That'd be enough for me. Thing about me is, I absolutely HATE waiting on the landlord. It took them a year and a half to get my central air fixed. It's been 3 weeks now waiting for a freaking door knob. Been 2 years and STILL no assigned parking, they're "waiting on the painter to paint the numbers"......on 2 freaking spots out of 120. FFS guys, I can go to the HW store and buy a can of spray paint and stencils and have it done in 5 minutes. I could've fixed the central air unit for $25 because I knew the fan was going out a year ago. Fan went out, then the unit outside because it kept freezing. I told them...... -_- Trust me, I completely understand owning is expensive as you're on your own to fix things. But that's what I WANT. Simply because I'm tired of slum lords not taking care of their stuff. Especially when I'm already paying $1000 / month, and if I want things fixed I have to do it myself anyway. I had to snake the dryer vent myself (on a 2nd story mind you), simply because I got tired of waiting on them to do it, and I didn't want to burn the damn place down or burn out my dryer (it was clogged badly and I knew it). If I'm already having to do "maintenance" myself anyway out of pocket, renting, AND paying $1000 / month as is, what's the harm in putting that $1000 / month into property that's actually mine? I'm a "family of 2", just myself and my kiddo. But I'd like to have SOMETHING I can leave behind for him when I pass too. I'll be looking for a place that needs a LITTLE bit of TLC, but some place that's solid anyway. Good roof, good electrical, things that are important like that I'll be making sure are solid before I buy. Whenever I finally get the opportunity to buy that is, IF I ever get the opportunity to. -_-
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 9, 2022 10:54:51 GMT -5
I bought a house. From renting many many years. Last year. Now 210,000 US dollars in debt. (edit, lets not forget the taxes) Not happy about that. Everything is so expensive. Fence 10,400$- Weekly food family of 5 300$ minimum. Weekly. Need toiletries and such, add 200$ twice monthly. My roof starts to leak over the winter, water damage, possibly mold.... that bill is in my lap. Thousands of dollars.... Not sure man. I'm standing on a 10,000 dollar fence wondering if any of this "owning some shit" is going to make any difference to me when I'm dead and gone... probably not. But my kids might have the pleasure of getting some cash out of the deal or use of the property. But by myself.... I'd rather rent. A furnace ain't cheap. Washer and Dryer ain't cheap. Lawn tractors ain't cheap..... It's been stressful so far. I own a car that needs a 3500$ tranny rebuild. 2600$ even if I pull it myself. So I have to stop and think.... Is it worth 1000$ for someone else to pull everything? Maybe? I don't know man. It's a lot of money, but not really a lot of money. It's a flat rate, but probably at least 4-5 hours to tear down and another 4-5 to put it all back together. WITHOUT MISTAKES is my concern. My wife and child use it. Just seems like 10 times more heavy shit on my shoulders sometimes. I juggle quite a bit as you might see. lol. So owning a house in my position just made the struggles a bit more .... umm costly I guess would be the way to put it. Everything is thousands of dollars these days. When we started out as 3 of us about 20 years ago... food was no more than 80 bucks a week at most man. 300% increase in only 20 years... or the last couple more over. I feel that, land alone is 50k around here...I don't quite make 50k unfortunately...not a happy camper about that tbh Oh by all means, I'm absolutely "low income". I was approved for about $140k, which unfortunately wouldn't buy me ANYTHING in the current housing market. So I'm being forced to wait for the market to come back down some. I figure once things correct, that "should" be enough to buy a double wide on a bit of land out in the boonies. That'd be enough for me. Thing about me is, I absolutely HATE waiting on the landlord. It took them a year and a half to get my central air fixed. It's been 3 weeks now waiting for a freaking door knob. Been 2 years and STILL no assigned parking, they're "waiting on the painter to paint the numbers"......on 2 freaking spots out of 120. FFS guys, I can go to the HW store and buy a can of spray paint and stencils and have it done in 5 minutes. I could've fixed the central air unit for $25 because I knew the fan was going out a year ago. Fan went out, then the unit outside because it kept freezing. I told them...... -_- Trust me, I completely understand owning is expensive as you're on your own to fix things. But that's what I WANT. Simply because I'm tired of slum lords not taking care of their stuff. Especially when I'm already paying $1000 / month, and if I want things fixed I have to do it myself anyway. I had to snake the dryer vent myself (on a 2nd story mind you), simply because I got tired of waiting on them to do it, and I didn't want to burn the damn place down or burn out my dryer (it was clogged badly and I knew it). If I'm already having to do "maintenance" myself anyway out of pocket, renting, AND paying $1000 / month as is, what's the harm in putting that $1000 / month into property that's actually mine? I'm a "family of 2", just myself and my kiddo. But I'd like to have SOMETHING I can leave behind for him when I pass too. I'll be looking for a place that needs a LITTLE bit of TLC, but some place that's solid anyway. Good roof, good electrical, things that are important like that I'll be making sure are solid before I buy. Whenever I finally get the opportunity to buy that is, IF I ever get the opportunity to. -_- Man that sounds like our situation, I mean with the last place and the landlord. He would call to get his money, but get him to spend it forget it. He made me wait, so I made him wait. It's almost impossible to evict a family, so he got to deal with the last year of late payments. I left the house and held his last payment. 1000$ ain't worth the trouble to take me to small claims court so we just parted ways without a word. I wouldn't answer his calls, go duck yourself. We had a hole in the roof for a year and a half, the lazy bastard didn't want to spend the money, he came and patched it himself and it still leaked. I don't miss that at all, but that was 10k from his pocket not mine. Living ain't easy nor cheap. I wish you luck finding a place in the future. House hunting isn't exactly fun...
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Post by pioneerisloud on Sept 9, 2022 11:58:55 GMT -5
The bad thing is, my landlord isn't even a "landlord", its the government. HUD housing. -_- I'd almost rather deal with a private landlord honestly. My last landlord at my last apartment was similar. BUT.....if something needed fixed, I was allowed to fix it, keep the receipt, and he'd take it out of rent. I painted the parking lot, fixed the stairs' railing, put in my own AC (wall unit), did electrical outlets, fixed up the sprinklers so we had water for the dirt (and planted grass lol). I don't mind putting in the effort in places where I live. The problem here is HUD housing. I'm not even allowed to go to school or get a job here, let alone actually do something to fix the stupid place. So fine....I won't. -_-
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 9, 2022 13:24:42 GMT -5
The bad thing is, my landlord isn't even a "landlord", its the government. HUD housing. -_- I'd almost rather deal with a private landlord honestly. My last landlord at my last apartment was similar. BUT.....if something needed fixed, I was allowed to fix it, keep the receipt, and he'd take it out of rent. I painted the parking lot, fixed the stairs' railing, put in my own AC (wall unit), did electrical outlets, fixed up the sprinklers so we had water for the dirt (and planted grass lol). I don't mind putting in the effort in places where I live. The problem here is HUD housing. I'm not even allowed to go to school or get a job here, let alone actually do something to fix the stupid place. So fine....I won't. -_- Well you have a roof over your head at least. That really matters despite all the bad you get to deal with. Just make the best of it until you get your own place. 140K though, you can find housing in Illinois for that pricing. In Rockford Illinois to be exact. Not really the best of cities to move into, but there's houses for sale well within your price range.
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Post by Vinster on Sept 9, 2022 21:02:40 GMT -5
Not sure man. I'm standing on a 10,000 dollar fence wondering if any of this "owning some shit" is going to make any difference to me
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Hard times lead to good times, good times lead to easy times, easy times lead to hard times... repeat... We will never learn or appreciate things until they are gone.
I KNOW it's hard... but have patience with it Jon. It's never a good time to buy. You won't see the appreciation for at least 5 years 5 years and by then you'll have your work list in priority of necessity. After 10 you'll be really happy you took that plunge and did it.
My first/previous house I bought was literally the cheapest in the town I was living in also and the neighbouring 2 towns.. it was near $100k cheaper... I was an idiot, but I saw what it could be... that house made me cry... a lot, basement floods, furnace breaking (in the thick of winter on a Sunday, 6am when I was going to work), later discovered it was infested with mold. Had to move my pregnant wife out... called in all the favors I could and got it sorted out over a few months... and that was just clearing it out.... took another 5 years to rebuild it... Then found carpenter ants ate an entire outside wall... the 2 layers of drywall there was holding the roof up... and ya.. more mold...
you're in the first stage. stick with it. I can't tell you how it works... but if you stick with it, work hard, somehow it eventually works out. It has too. you just can't hold on to the hard. you have to break it.
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Vin
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Post by Bones on Sept 9, 2022 21:34:55 GMT -5
TBH I'd rather have my own place for a few reasons.
1: You could live there for 100 years and still own jack, plus still be subject to eviction if you get behind. 2: Speaking of owning jack, that's money you'll never see again. All you're doing is paying for the landlord's property, taxes and so on, nothing that's going to be of any tangible benefit to you. 3: I've had to deal with landlords before and many of them fix things when they are ready to..... And that's only if they are ready but usually they won't do a thing unless it's something critical and even then a few simply won't follow through. I'll even use a personal example of it: For about a year I was renting an old trailer and the AC didn't work. I let the landlord know and they never fixed it - Not once all that time did I ever have any AC and that was even during the summer with it dead out in the open - No shade to help at all and I had to live like that. What they were expecting me to do was pay for it myself, still keep paying rent and if I were to leave they'd keep that for themselves. Yoy also have to carefully read your renter's agreement, some "Improvements" you make they can lay claim to and call it "Part of the building" like if I had bought a window AC unit for example. If you sign the agreement and it's in the wording they can do that legally with no recourse for you and they keep the goods too.
I told the wife right from the beginning we weren't going to be living in the rental trap because as I found out the rent is as much, if not more than a mortgage payment would be, effectively keeping us trapped in such a situation with my first point applying all along with the rest too.
It's not easy at times having your own place but the real thing I like about it is it's MINE, as long as I make the mortgage payments and pay taxes due each year on the property, it will be mine one day with no more payments to make to a person or bank - Just to the gov for propery taxes once a year and that's it concerning all that. I won't have to ask a landlord if I can do something like change from a gas to an electric stove for instance, I can install the mentioned AC window units if I have to and keep them if I decide to move out to another place. The only expectation the bank has for us is to make the payemnts and keep it in good condition - That's really about it.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 10, 2022 11:41:16 GMT -5
So with all that owning a house, updates and upgrades repairs....
I couldn't dream to afford a payment on an electric vehicle.
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