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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 23, 2022 12:23:10 GMT -5
Hi, just found your thread here. I'm the guy who posted the HP part numbers for Micron D9s in another thread. I had a lot of luck and found an electronics recycler who sold me 18 sticks of D9GKX for cheap. First of all, maybe you found it already but this list was very useful for me: web.archive.org/web/20111228163948/http://ramlist.i4memory.com/ddr2/Here is my post about OEM part numbers: warp9-systems.proboards.com/post/40146/threadFinding good DDR2 RAM today can be a test of patience, but from my experience sooner or later something will show up for cheap. Just keep looking. For high FSB numbers without the trouble of DDR2 limits, a DDR3 socket 775 board might be nice. I decided against that, because for some reason I love overclocking with DDR2. Socket 775 + DDR2 is my favorite platform. As for your board modifications, I can not give you any advice on those. I have not yet done any serious volt mods or epowers. I started out on 775 with a P5Q-E a while back, all I can say is that the P45 chipset is almost never the limiting factor for FSB clocks. You don't need to give P45 very high voltages. The limits I encountered were usually related to my DDR2 sticks not clocking very high, CPU hitting its limit (VTT wall at some FSB) or lacking bios options for fine tuning GTLs and/or clock skews. Almost all my 775 boards are P45, so I can only give some feedback on this chipset. I only have one X48 and one nForce 780i left. The nForce is pretty bad for high OC. Found some 1gb micron sticks and they look to be d9gmh, the hp number is 4451xx-x51 (photo isnt clear). Any other oems youd suggest looking at for micron d9 sticks? Cause ive really only seen the hp micron d9 sticks I do have a zepplin 2gb dimm on i belive micron d9hgn Though idk its just a guess looking at the shape (literal square), it only does max 1086 6-6-6-18 2.4v Currently my extreem dark 1066 1gb sticks do ~1200mhz 7-7-7-14 2v, i may try 1200 with 6-6-6-14 or 6-6-6-16 just to see if these are worth keeping or better off selling, im looking for 1200+ with 6-6-6 timings just so if i fix my ud3p i wont be ram bottlenecked Also its not the p45 chipset but its the board, p5q suck ass for any decent fsb, with some jank tec cooling with a completely uneven scrap metal plate it does help abit with fsb to 585 max so i would need to do tec cooling. Most optimal clock skew ive found for this board is 1000ns cpu and 800ns nb, only does 490fsb stable which is weak asf, with a pitiful ~565fsb max, ~575 if i cold boot it. And yes it is bios modded with a p5qd turbo ebb swap to maximus ii formula, i may play around abit with the crosshair iv ebb though to see if i can sqeeze abit more out of this pile of junk |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 23, 2022 13:25:08 GMT -5
Ok an update, just copied the settings of this guy on hwbot that set the ram freq record for xtreem dark and got my 3x1 config to boot 1563mhz, im gonna have to do more tuning though it seems to boot into windows at 1520mhz, i think ill continue on abit though its like 1:20 in the morning so ill have to stop eventually hwbot.org/submission/4832810_raspberryhex_memory_frequency_ddr2_sdram_848.1_mhzCopied the settings in the comments which is 7-9-5-20 132trfc I guess im just garbage at tuning rams, maybe i dont actually need to go hunt down d9 when i can just tune my rams with loose timings to go 1400+,thats already 700fsb+ which i doubt ill ever even reach. Though i guess if i wanna run 2x4 for 8gb ill have a look at d9 |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 24, 2022 2:48:42 GMT -5
Another update
Yea im not ditching these sticks unless i go 2x4 aka 8gb, 1480 stable 7-9-9-12 132trfc 2.2v, i only expect to ever go 600+ but def not near 700fsb so these sticks are more than enoungh for me so i think ill just buy 1 more for 1x4 and upgrade later when i wanna use 8gb
Im still gonna keep tuning these so ill edit this for the next update so i dont clutter the crap out of this thread xD
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 24, 2022 3:15:43 GMT -5
Whats with 6-6-6-18 if they cant do 5-5-5-15 @650 mhz I would put them in the bin.
Another thing when will you use 8GB in 775 for benching?
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 24, 2022 7:13:25 GMT -5
Whats with 6-6-6-18 if they cant do 5-5-5-15 @650 mhz I would put them in the bin. Another thing when will you use 8GB in 775 for benching? Im still testing them, atm stable at 7-9-9-10 trfc132 at 1480mhz, irl ill prob only run tops 1200 on a normal oc so maybe ill try 5-7-9 or something like that Im unsure whether i can sell there extreem dark rams or not but if i can sell then then sure why not and get 8gb gkx instead, i might potentially get 2gb micron sticks for ~2$ so ill just sell my rams for atleast 8$ and get better rams with a capacity upgrade too, though yea extreem dark might be a tough sell if its only 3 sticks so i might still buy a 4th one to use temporarity then sell these off and also advertise the seemingly fast 1480 7-9-9-10 |
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Post by osmiumoc on Jan 24, 2022 9:20:05 GMT -5
Found some 1gb micron sticks and they look to be d9gmh, the hp number is 4451xx-x51 (photo isnt clear). Any other oems youd suggest looking at for micron d9 sticks? Cause ive really only seen the hp micron d9 sticks Well so far I only found them with HP stickers and the generic Micron / Crucial Stickers. If you want high clocks I would not waste time on 2GB sticks. They almost always clock worse due to the density + I don't think you can find GMHs or GKXs on 2GB Sticks because of density. GMH/GKX on 1 GB is already double sided. And running very high/loose timings like CL7+ might be useful for frequency records but nothing else. You will loose performance in any benchmark. 2GB DDR2 is only for when you want to still use the system as your daily PC and need the extra capacity for modern web browsers etc.. |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 24, 2022 10:50:51 GMT -5
Found some 1gb micron sticks and they look to be d9gmh, the hp number is 4451xx-x51 (photo isnt clear). Any other oems youd suggest looking at for micron d9 sticks? Cause ive really only seen the hp micron d9 sticks Well so far I only found them with HP stickers and the generic Micron / Crucial Stickers. If you want high clocks I would not waste time on 2GB sticks. They almost always clock worse due to the density + I don't think you can find GMHs or GKXs on 2GB Sticks because of density. GMH/GKX on 1 GB is already double sided. And running very high/loose timings like CL7+ might be useful for frequency records but nothing else. You will loose performance in any benchmark. 2GB DDR2 is only for when you want to still use the system as your daily PC and need the extra capacity for modern web browsers etc.. I do actually plan on making this useable as a daily pc so its not just a useless testbench with a sub par motherboard, if i was actually serious about benching then first of all id get a better board cause a sub par board that wont do 490 stable is not gonna cut it, the giga p45 will do but i gotta fix the thing and its very likely ill have to solder a new nb on it cause its chipped Im not trying to do 1400+ or something like that, even a meager 1200 will satisfy me as long as i have headroom for fsb oc cause only real reason id upgrade ram is to get more capacity and more fsb overclocking headroom Any good ics for 2gb dimms? Cause the micron ics on my zepplin are garbage doing max 1086 6-6-6-18, i bet i could clock it higher though with tuning the timings |
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 24, 2022 12:50:23 GMT -5
G. Skill Pi DDR2-1100 kits are about as good as 2m sticks run @ Cas 5, what the IC's are have no idea. Lot of 2m sticks will run at 1180 +/- Cas 5 so Cas 6 might take them above 1200?
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 25, 2022 5:47:29 GMT -5
G. Skill Pi DDR2-1100 kits are about as good as 2m sticks run @ Cas 5, what the IC's are have no idea. Lot of 2m sticks will run at 1180 +/- Cas 5 so Cas 6 might take them above 1200? I dont think those even exist here in indo, i really just need a decently clocking 1300+ 2gb ddr2 since i actually wanna use the pc as a daily so 2x4 config, any good ics for 2gb rams that can clock high and can actually be found on cheap oem sticks? |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 26, 2022 3:13:58 GMT -5
You will be very lucky if you can get a 4GB set do do 1300+ I dont see it really happening.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 26, 2022 10:07:19 GMT -5
You will be very lucky if you can get a 4GB set do do 1300+ I dont see it really happening. At least not at any timing worth running. |
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Post by Vinster on Jan 26, 2022 12:34:05 GMT -5
The fastest DDR2 that I recall are Patriot PC2-9600's (1200Mhz). I have a set of them, they run at rated and you can very slightly OC them... www.newegg.com/patriot-2gb-240-pin-ddr2-sdram/p/N82E16820220241
I don't think 1300mhz is achievable esp not long term with the required voltages you'd have to pump in them to keep them going. Don't forget to keep airflow on them...
also all these kits are only 2x1GB... I don't think any MB's could run 4 of these and be stable..
also keeping the reality that these kits were pricey.. my Patriots were over $200CAD+ shipping when I got them 3-4 years ago... I don't see any for sale right now but wouldn't let them go for any less than $350 if at all, it took a long time to find them and the near year I was shopping I never saw comparable units available....
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 26, 2022 15:11:51 GMT -5
The fastest DDR2 that I recall are Patriot PC2-9600's (1200Mhz). I have a set of them, they run at rated and you can very slightly OC them... www.newegg.com/patriot-2gb-240-pin-ddr2-sdram/p/N82E16820220241I don't think 1300mhz is achievable esp not long term with the required voltages you'd have to pump in them to keep them going. Don't forget to keep airflow on them...
also all these kits are only 2x1GB... I don't think any MB's could run 4 of these and be stable..
also keeping the reality that these kits were pricey.. my Patriots were over $200CAD+ shipping when I got them 3-4 years ago... I don't see any for sale right now but wouldn't let them go for any less than $350 if at all, it took a long time to find them and the near year I was shopping I never saw comparable units available.... Vin Transcend had a very good 1200 kit www.techshout.com/transcend-axeram-ddr2-12002gb-dual-channel-overclocking-kit-announced/ |
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Post by Vinster on Jan 26, 2022 15:22:05 GMT -5
ah, ya, I remember those. another kit I never saw in real life other than in articles...
Vin
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 26, 2022 15:43:02 GMT -5
I have all of those except for the Corsair 1250 kit. Don't know anybody that ever had them.
Most of those didn't go much faster than the advertised spec.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 26, 2022 22:03:50 GMT -5
Vin I have got a set of the Corsairs in that Anandtech article the 3-4-3-9 set they will do 670 5-5-5-15 I have a few sets of Ballistix that will do the same speed. I have got a set of Transend Axeram that came from Ozz I havent tested them as yet. A lot of it was shit but there are some good sets in it all Gotta test some of that ram that I got there is a set of Gskill tridentX 3000 Hynix MFR I am hoping they are still good.  |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 26, 2022 22:07:04 GMT -5
Well sht, in that case ill just try to find good ddr2 2gb ics and cool them with a tec. Well the board is trash anyways so really i dont need much more than 1000mhz 2gb sticks since trash board only does a measly 490fsb max. Though i may look into properly cooling the thing with a tec. Any good ddr2 ics that can clock 1000mhz? Cause seems like only my zepplin with what looks to be micron ics can do 1086mhz, any way to tune it for higher freq? Cause f ing around with loose timings on my team ram worked so maybe i can clock it higher with loose timings?
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Post by Vinster on Jan 26, 2022 23:44:12 GMT -5
Well sht, in that case ill just try to find good ddr2 2gb ics and cool them with a tec. Well the board is trash anyways so really i dont need much more than 1000mhz 2gb sticks since trash board only does a measly 490fsb max. Though i may look into properly cooling the thing with a tec. Any good ddr2 ics that can clock 1000mhz? Cause seems like only my zepplin with what looks to be micron ics can do 1086mhz, any way to tune it for higher freq? Cause f ing around with loose timings on my team ram worked so maybe i can clock it higher with loose timings? it's a trade off... higher freq and looser timings can (usually does) increase the latency.. depends on what you're trying to achieve... if benching, some prefer higher freq, some tighter timings...
personally I usually go for tighter timing... then see what freq I end up at...
Vin
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 27, 2022 2:54:28 GMT -5
Well sht, in that case ill just try to find good ddr2 2gb ics and cool them with a tec. Well the board is trash anyways so really i dont need much more than 1000mhz 2gb sticks since trash board only does a measly 490fsb max. Though i may look into properly cooling the thing with a tec. Any good ddr2 ics that can clock 1000mhz? Cause seems like only my zepplin with what looks to be micron ics can do 1086mhz, any way to tune it for higher freq? Cause f ing around with loose timings on my team ram worked so maybe i can clock it higher with loose timings? it's a trade off... higher freq and looser timings can (usually does) increase the latency.. depends on what you're trying to achieve... if benching, some prefer higher freq, some tighter timings...
personally I usually go for tighter timing... then see what freq I end up at...
Vin
Atm i dont really care about benching cause if i did then i would upgrade the board from this half assed p5q to something better like a ud3p which i wanna fix. I think ill buy 1x4 micron sticks and sell off my team rams. Though pref 2x4 that can clock minimum 1000mhz just so if i decide to tec cool my nb for higher fsb the ram wont be a bottleneck. Im also gonna snag a cheap xeon e5420 so pretty likely that id tec cool the nb |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 27, 2022 10:50:44 GMT -5
I have got a set of Transend Axeram that came from Ozz I havent tested them as yet. That set of Axeram came from me. I gave it to him. From what I remember they didn't do much better than spec. |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 27, 2022 23:58:03 GMT -5
I might potentially get a ud3lr by trading in my p5q and maybe some other useless garbage so i think ill have to stay away from 2gb modules as there seems to be no info regarding good ics that can be found on 2gb dimms, i may dissasemble my team rams to look at their ics as they are single sided so id assume the ics on them could be found on 2gb sticks
Btw what ics do good 2gb rams have anyways? Cause if theres 1200 kits with 2gb dimms then id assume if i can get ahold of the ics used on those i could have high oc with 2gb dimms
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 31, 2022 2:42:20 GMT -5
Ud3lr went bust so i think ill go and buy a p5q and an ep35 ds3r and see if either have better oc abilities on both normal and tec cooling, ill keep the best board and flip the other 2. If anyone has experience with giga p35 boards could you tell me how high they can oc? Cause bios oprions for nb (mch), fsb term, and whatever the hell pcie voltage is is still really garbage so ill have to voltmod or flash bios to ds4/ds5/dq6 for higher volt settings, doubt the extreme bios would work since my p5q just 00 with that bios
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Post by Bones on Jan 31, 2022 9:24:13 GMT -5
From my experience and what I've seen:
For Socket 775, P45 or X48 is the best overall, esp for bus speed but P35 isn't bad either that I know of. Gigabyte for 775 makes the best boards overall, DFI isn't bad either but not quite on the same standing as what Gigabyte has for that socket overall.
I had a Socket 775 DFI that was pretty good (DFI P965S Infinity Dark) but never really got to see just how good, it died when a MOSFET blew up and torched the board in that spot bad enough it coudn't be repaired.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 31, 2022 10:39:46 GMT -5
From my experience and what I've seen: For Socket 775, P45 or X48 is the best overall, esp for bus speed but P35 isn't bad either that I know of. Gigabyte for 775 makes the best boards overall, DFI isn't bad either but not quite on the same standing as what Gigabyte has for that socket overall. I had a Socket 775 DFI that was pretty good (DFI P965S Infinity Dark) but never really got to see just how good, it died when a MOSFET blew up and torched the board in that spot bad enough it coudn't be repaired. Giga holds fsb record for g31, g33, and p45 from what ive seen on hwbot, asus holds p+g35 and p965 so pretty much their lower end boards suck ass where giga has amazing low end boards and even their p45 whoops asus ass. I think these giga p35 are more or less equivalent to my p5q so i think ill focus on the flipping aspect unless they are actually better than my sad p5q Unfortunately my giga p45 is just completely stuck at c1 code aka stuck on trying to detect ram, if it fails it should 00 but stupid thing gets stuck on c1 so its either a bios or nb issue. I could just discharge it and dunk it in water then leave it alone for a week since that somehow worked with my asrock g31m vs2 (now dead after trying to run a p35 bios on it) |
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Post by Bones on Jan 31, 2022 11:08:53 GMT -5
I assume you've already checked the CPU pins.
As for dunking, you'd be suprised at how often a good cleaning can solve alot of problems and what problems it can resolve too. Personally I just toss mine in the dishwasher with a standard dishwashing soap pack, let it do a heavy (Pot and Pans) high temp wash with a good rinse cycle and then let it dry for awhile.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 1, 2022 12:34:14 GMT -5
I assume you've already checked the CPU pins. As for dunking, you'd be suprised at how often a good cleaning can solve alot of problems and what problems it can resolve too. Personally I just toss mine in the dishwasher with a standard dishwashing soap pack, let it do a heavy (Pot and Pans) high temp wash with a good rinse cycle and then let it dry for awhile. Yep, experienced that with my now dead asrock g31. As for dunking my other boards, no result and made 1 worse but that board needs some parts replaced cause it does have abit of water damage so prob just a stupid one I sprayed the damn thing with ipa and a crap load of it but still c1, i doubt more cleaning would work but maybe ill try, currently i just dunk em in a bucket of water and leave it for ~4 hours |
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Post by freeagent on Feb 1, 2022 13:13:34 GMT -5
Pretty much every pair of ballistix I owned from that era died.. I had good luck with G.Skills D9s though.. but not all of them lived. My OCZ would have lived if I didn’t rip the chips off a stick.. some kind of accident with a heat spreader, might have been dog related. I had shit luck with Corsair. I always give them a hard time nowadays. Even if they are “ok”..
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 1, 2022 14:24:40 GMT -5
Pretty much every pair of ballistix I owned from that era died.. I had good luck with G.Skills D9s though.. but not all of them lived. My OCZ would have lived if I didn’t rip the chips off a stick.. some kind of accident with a heat spreader, might have been dog related. I had shit luck with Corsair. I always give them a hard time nowadays. Even if they are “ok”.. How the hell do you even rip a chip off your rams? Insufficient heat while taking off the heatspreader or something? What kind of bad luck did you get with corsair stuff? Nowadays they make overpriced rgb rams but atleast they have a chance of coming with b die Personally mbs wise my asus is garbage and all the other asus boards i have (p5kpl,qpl, p5q pro) have been garbage for fsb overclocking when compared to other boards of that chipset, p5kpl just doesnt detect sata hdds above 400fsb but does 500 with ease so def some potential if the bios wasnt garbage, p5qpl can burn in hell just like all the other non p45/x48 boards cause they get trounced by giga g31 max fsb wise, p5q pro has the same fsb oc capability as my p5q so pretty rubbish even with modded bios. i prefer to avoid reccomending asus boards unless they can be flashed to a top tier board with no bios crippling bullcrap |
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Post by osmiumoc on Feb 1, 2022 16:29:04 GMT -5
How the hell do you even rip a chip off your rams? Insufficient heat while taking off the heatspreader or something? Oh that's easy. Some of these thermal-glue-pads they use to attach the heatsinks can be VERY sticky. And the chips don't have many solder joints. Had it happen to some Corsair ones. Sorry for the horrible photo: ![]()  (thankfully these were no good sticks + the dead one is now used for solder testing and I can take the caps) |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 2, 2022 1:50:11 GMT -5
How the hell do you even rip a chip off your rams? Insufficient heat while taking off the heatspreader or something? Oh that's easy. Some of these thermal-glue-pads they use to attach the heatsinks can be VERY sticky. And the chips don't have many solder joints. Had it happen to some Corsair ones. Sorry for the horrible photo: ![]() <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> (thankfully these were no good sticks + the dead one is now used for solder testing and I can take the caps) Damn, is that even repairable? Cause it looks like the solder pads may be fked Im canceling tec cooling for rams cause ive found a good enough tune for em so i can reach 1480mhz so no need to worry about this unless i decide ill just do it anyway for whatever reason (prob content creation) but maybe f ing around with 2gb sticks Btw is a 72w tec enough to cool a p45 nb at 1.6v? Cause if these nb apparently draw upto 15w stock im unsure if a 72w tec will be enough to cool it, i could run sub ambient temps on idle with an e5400 even with an oc to 4.5ghz 1.52v so im wondering what the power consumption of an idle e8x00 cpu is stock (w/o c states) Also how do i monitor nb temp? Is there a temp sensor thats cheap and good enough to somewhat accurately measure nb temp? Cause i would like to know if my tec cooling is actually working |
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