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Post by Vinster on Sept 30, 2021 19:40:10 GMT -5
^ same as these two. I started with a 16GB USB stick. then reverted to an old 500gb HDD... installs, everything bench related. only need the internet for updates and like Ales, I run a patch cord.
look through device manager and see if the chipset drivers are as current as they can be.
Vin
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 2, 2021 8:19:49 GMT -5
Tbh i think ill just buy some random laptop hdd and use an adapter instead of fiddling around with a freaking usb
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 5, 2021 12:42:06 GMT -5
Ok ive been messing with my p5q boards recently
Both my p5q and p5q pro get their asses kicked by my g31 max fsb wise xD P5q pro wont go over 500fsb (maybe cause of broken pin) P5q wont go over 530 fsb
Both have been flashed with p5q pro turbo bioses
I think ill just move on to a gigabyte p45 and sell these 2 boards along with all my other broken boards
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Post by freeagent on Oct 5, 2021 17:21:53 GMT -5
I think I had a P5Q.. briefly.. I hated that board. I am sort of an Asus fanboy too, but not their midrange stuff. I mean is ok.. but.. you know.. and if you don't, the quality just isn't there. Their ROG stuff though.. schwing. I need an E8600 for my RF.. ddr2 board though.. then some ram that can do over 600MHz, because that's where my G.Skill sticks top out.. I think.. hm. I have an X3360 and the board doesn't like it past 475fsb with it. But it will happily run at 550fsb 24/7 daily clocks. If you can run an E8600 at 4.8 or so all the time you will be as strong as a Q6600 I'm rambling..
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 6, 2021 5:30:08 GMT -5
I think I had a P5Q.. briefly.. I hated that board. I am sort of an Asus fanboy too, but not their midrange stuff. I mean is ok.. but.. you know.. and if you don't, the quality just isn't there. Their ROG stuff though.. schwing. I need an E8600 for my RF.. ddr2 board though.. then some ram that can do over 600MHz, because that's where my G.Skill sticks top out.. I think.. hm. I have an X3360 and the board doesn't like it past 475fsb with it. But it will happily run at 550fsb 24/7 daily clocks. If you can run an E8600 at 4.8 or so all the time you will be as strong as a Q6600 I'm rambling.. Yea asus bios cripples their midrange stuff so i dont think ill bother with an asus midrange board unless if i can flash it to a high end board like maximus extreme x38 to rampage extreme x48 (theres a mod like this on yt but instead of a maximus extreme its a p5e) Tbh i think ill just stick with gigabyte p45 wise cause the asus boards stand no chance against a gigabyte p45, even an f ing ud3 mb which is one of the lower end gigabyte p45 boards does really high fsbs, current record on hwbot for that is 760, my sad p5q cant even reach 550 even with it being flashed to a p5q pro turbo I do have a pretty good deal on a ud3 in my area for ~32$ (mb + x3210 + 2gb ram + hd4350) and theres also a broken ud3p for 5$, might consider snagging those mbs and swapping out my whimpy p5q boards I wonder if i can reuse my p5q pro nb heatsink on a ud3 Btw on the tec nb cooling, how do i turn it off without having water everywhere? Do i need to use a tissue or something?
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Post by Vinster on Oct 6, 2021 16:28:22 GMT -5
I had a P5Q (Deluxe or SLI, I can't remember) that board would not go over 400FSB, didn't matter what RAM, CPU.. that bugger was locked... I did like that board. it ran everything. but if the CPU wasn't a limiting factor... it was the board at 400....
Vin
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 6, 2021 20:54:54 GMT -5
I had a P5Q (Deluxe or SLI, I can't remember) that board would not go over 400FSB, didn't matter what RAM, CPU.. that bugger was locked... I did like that board. it ran everything. but if the CPU wasn't a limiting factor... it was the board at 400.... Vin Welp i guess i should just sell both for 35$ or 40$, these boards are horrendous at fsb for what the p45 chipset can do Btw on voltmodding my g31, how am i gonna raise cpu volt? Cause the thing that controls cpu voltage has a very short name and doesnt have a datasheet, do i just feed the entire board 13v via the psu cable or something? Cause when i have a garb psu hooked up to my p5q the volts go haywire upto around 14v and the cpu volt when i set to 1.6 jumps to 1.65 or 1.7v
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 7, 2021 3:40:20 GMT -5
X38 P5E & Maximus Formula, X48 P5E Deluxe can all be flashed to the Rampage Formula BIOS. You can also flash the X38 P5E3 Deluxe to something (forget but not the REX) but a good idea to do it with a low voltage CPU in the socket as most 65W Wolfdales will not post after the flash, learned that the hard way.
If a Asus MB has Pro in the name really not worth playing with in my opinion, just sounds good for marketing and generally released near the end of a chipsets life with a cheaper price and cheaper parts to pull in those last remaining profits.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 7, 2021 22:12:56 GMT -5
Ok i think ill keep using my p5q for now since my cooler is trash, though when i oc ram and apply, on my pci debug card it shows 00, but when i turn off the power and boot it again it works fine and boots into windows (if ram oc is stable), anyone know whats causing this?
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Post by Mr.Scott on Oct 8, 2021 15:38:51 GMT -5
Code 00 is no CPU or dead CPU usually. Probably just shitty pin contact.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 9, 2021 11:34:15 GMT -5
Code 00 is no CPU or dead CPU usually. Probably just shitty pin contact. Already sprayed the socket multiple times with isopropyl alcohol but i think 00 after oc usually means that its prob not a good setting, same as d0 and 80 after oc, not a good setting. Itll work after switching off the psu then back on again but its most likely gonna fail on a stress test anyways 00 from my experience is just dead/no cpu like what your said and dead or malfunctioning mb I am gonna sell all my dead mbs off since most of them seem to have unrepairable issues (2 p5kpls, one with snapped off pins and one with a dead vrm, g31m es2c with shorted sb, p41 es3g working but doesnt wanna turn on prob cause of short prot but im not gonna bother fixing it cause 41 chipsets are ass shit fsb ocing wise)
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 10, 2021 22:41:56 GMT -5
Ive just found some deals on broken mbs
P5b for ~2.5$ P5b plus for 4$
Gonna have to ask the sellers to see if its an easy to fix problem, pref the board "died" because it was not used for a long time (usually dust and dirt causes mb to malfunction so easy fix just spray the board with 99% isopropyl alcohol)
Interested in these old mbs since i can directly flash the bios from p5b to commando aka top of the line p965 board, maybe theyll be better then my p5q mbs when flashed with a commando bios, btw are there modded commando bioses available?
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Post by Bones on Oct 11, 2021 9:27:23 GMT -5
Ive just found some deals on broken mbs P5b for ~2.5$ P5b plus for 4$ Gonna have to ask the sellers to see if its an easy to fix problem, pref the board "died" because it was not used for a long time (usually dust and dirt causes mb to malfunction so easy fix just spray the board with 99% isopropyl alcohol) Interested in these old mbs since i can directly flash the bios from p5b to commando aka top of the line p965 board, maybe theyll be better then my p5q mbs when flashed with a commando bios, btw are there modded commando bioses available? I've fix a couple with a quick trip through the dishwasher myself. I've got another one I'll be doing that to before long - At least when done they tend to come out looking like new.
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Post by Vinster on Oct 11, 2021 14:43:46 GMT -5
the p5q would be fine to bin CPU's. just because of the compatibility and then your not wearing our the pin contacts from replacing CPU's on a good board.
I read a long time ago that the socket is only rated to like 30-40 closures. So after so many CPU replacements the pins will just break.. and I've had that on a few MB's...
to bin CPU's, lock the mem to a known (533, 800) then set the CPU vCore to 1.2v or 1.15 and then clock up FSB until it crashes. then swap the CPU and do the next.
Vin
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 11, 2021 22:56:40 GMT -5
Ive just found some deals on broken mbs P5b for ~2.5$ P5b plus for 4$ Gonna have to ask the sellers to see if its an easy to fix problem, pref the board "died" because it was not used for a long time (usually dust and dirt causes mb to malfunction so easy fix just spray the board with 99% isopropyl alcohol) Interested in these old mbs since i can directly flash the bios from p5b to commando aka top of the line p965 board, maybe theyll be better then my p5q mbs when flashed with a commando bios, btw are there modded commando bioses available? I've fix a couple with a quick trip through the dishwasher myself. I've got another one I'll be doing that to before long - At least when done they tend to come out looking like new. Personally i just spray the socket with 99% isopropyl alcohol, usually fixes boards that "died" because they were dirty Also on the ep45 deal the seller says that the board just randomly started turning on and off while he was using it for gaming, any ideas to what may be causing this board to randomly turn on and off? Cause my suspicion is a weak psu or a short (hopefully not internal), i think ill take the gamble and buy this board + maybe even a p5q pro to flip so if the ep45 board doesnt work then atleast i have a p5q pro to flip and make money off
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 12, 2021 2:02:35 GMT -5
Ive been looking at which generic ddr2 2gb sticks can clock high, my chinese 2gb ddr2 stick has a samsung die (k4t1g084qg-bce7) and these rams do not like getting anywhere near 1000mhz and dont scale with voltage over 2.2v i belive but my "zepplin" ddr2 stick does 1086mhz and scales to 2.4v (z2gd212883615-8), is 1086mhz considered good for a generic ddr2? And are there better 2gb ddr2 sticks than this "zepplin" stick?
Timings are 6-6-6-18
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 12, 2021 6:27:31 GMT -5
I've seen the Zepplin mentioned in posts but have not seen them available in the the US or I would of tested them when I was doing some DDR2 binning. 2x2 kits are better for daily use but do not clock as high as 2x1 kits on a general comparison, there are 2x2 kits that perform really well. Your using 1086mhz divide that by 2 for 543mhz as shown in CPUz and you can see how they compare in the link below. warp9-systems.proboards.com/thread/624/ddr2-binningSeeing how the RAM performed from your last post is where the G31's FSB was topping out as I remember. On the other hand it could be the board limiting your RAM if using the 1:1 mem divider when you checked the RAM.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 12, 2021 7:05:26 GMT -5
I've seen the Zepplin mentioned in posts but have not seen them available in the the US or I would of tested them when I was doing some DDR2 binning. 2x2 kits are better for daily use but do not clock as high as 2x1 kits on a general comparison, there are 2x2 kits that perform really well. Your using 1086mhz divide that by 2 for 543mhz as shown in CPUz and you can see how they compare in the link below. warp9-systems.proboards.com/thread/624/ddr2-binningSeeing how the RAM performed from your last post is where the G31's FSB was topping out as I remember. On the other hand it could be the board limiting your RAM if using the 1:1 mem divider when you checked the RAM. My 542 fsb g31 runs i use team extreem dark ddr2, the 2gb 1066 or whatever branded ddr2 2gb sticks here in indo are super overpriced so i wanna find the best generic ddr2 sticks that can clock decently high I guess i got a decent ram for being a generic ram, maybe ill buy more of these if i can find em Btw what ram dies should i be looking for? I do know nanya d dies are pretty good, though im looking for common ram dies that clock well and scale decently with volts, what dies should i get and what dies should i avoid? The samsung dies on my chinese stick are trash so that gives me the impression of avoiding samsung and hynix dies are incompatible with my mb
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 12, 2021 7:39:45 GMT -5
I did see a thread where someone found some generic HP stickered RAM using some good Micron D9s and gave the HP part# but couldn't find them when I went looking, so they are out there.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 12, 2021 23:18:54 GMT -5
I did see a thread where someone found some generic HP stickered RAM using some good Micron D9s and gave the HP part# but couldn't find them when I went looking, so they are out there. 1gig or 2 gig sticks? Any other good ram dies other than nanya and micron? Maybe i can find a jackpot with generic rams Btw did samsung make any decent ddr2 dies? Cause my chinese stick with samsung dies scales horribly with volts and will not clock very high at all, doesnt even wanna go over 1000mhz
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 13, 2021 6:10:21 GMT -5
I gig or smaller. Found this on the bot using 1 512m stick Samsung, has the part number listed. Highest Samsung entry. valid.x86.fr/30gwe6
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Post by Bones on Oct 13, 2021 6:18:18 GMT -5
Look for Crucial Ballistix DDR2 and you're all but guaranteed for it to be D9 sticks BUT there is something else you must pay attention to. Look at the stock voltage rating on it's label, if it's rated for 2.2 - 2.3v's that's the good stuff you really want, for those rated less than 2.2v's it's probrably D9 based as well but not the same bin overall.
Either way you can't really go wrong with the Ballistix stuff, it's some of the best DDR2 you can find.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 13, 2021 19:08:51 GMT -5
Look for Crucial Ballistix DDR2 and you're all but guaranteed for it to be D9 sticks BUT there is something else you must pay attention to. Look at the stock voltage rating on it's label, if it's rated for 2.2 - 2.3v's that's the good stuff you really want, for those rated less than 2.2v's it's probrably D9 based as well but not the same bin overall. Either way you can't really go wrong with the Ballistix stuff, it's some of the best DDR2 you can find. I already have 3 sticks of team extreem dark so maybe ill just buy another stick, i think these are nanya d dies and they seem to not scale with volts over 2.6 so if they cant clock any higher on an ep45 im gonna have to resort to making a tec cooling solution, also ballistix ddr2 is non existent here in indo, just a bunch of team elite, extreem dark, and some geil sticks that are 1066, though from what i know branded ddr2 sticks like corsair and other stuff tend to have better chips then generic ddr2 so i can prob expect them to go faster than my zepplin sticks, btw what dies do those corsair xms2 sticks use? Also do you guys have any ideas on how 4gb ddr2 sticks overclock? Im just looking for some generic ddr2 2gb sticks that can clock high cause obv team extreem and other 1066 or even just regular branded 800mhz sticks are super overpriced in indo, they tend to be around 3-6x more than generic ddr2, so far ive only found these zepplin sticks, any good ram dies other than micron d9 and nanya d die? Also how do i insulate my rams if i decide to stick a tec cooler on them? Cause im not sure on how to remove the heatsinks from my extreem dark dimms
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 14, 2021 6:03:46 GMT -5
Found a decent deal of spare rams and a wifi card for 10$ awhile back, has 2gb team extreem dark, 1gb team elite, an unbranded 2 gb 667 stick and a cheap 54mbps wifi card, at first i thought that the 2gb 667 was something i should just instantly sell but looking at the ram ics they seem to be nanya rams, might be interesting to mess with this unbranded 667 stick
Atleast i still have some scrap metal to cut up and turn into a ram heatspreader for tec cooling
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 14, 2021 10:35:21 GMT -5
How do 4GB sticks clock, not very well for overclocking records, well enough for daily use, if you scroll down to the DDR2 800 section in the DDR2 Binning link above, place 51 & 66 are 4GB sticks. 66 is last place. I didn't test them at CL6 as suggested by their stickers.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 14, 2021 12:22:21 GMT -5
How do 4GB sticks clock, not very well for overclocking records, well enough for daily use, if you scroll down to the DDR2 800 section in the DDR2 Binning link above, place 51 & 66 are 4GB sticks. 66 is last place. I didn't test them at CL6 as suggested by their stickers. Pretty garbage ngl though i guess pairing it with a low end mb and low fsb cpu would work pretty well
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 15, 2021 10:03:52 GMT -5
Ok ive been messing around with ocing the g31 and i think my limit is now the fsb term voltage so ill have to voltmod if i want to go past 542, maybe ill voltmod later tho
Edit : nvm fsb term isnt the limit, setting it at "0.2+) in the bios instead of the highest setting still yeilds 542z i thinknat this stage im gonna have to voltmod, though 542 fsb and it seems to give a pagefile error so im pretty sure im gonna have to voltmod both the nb and the sb
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 19, 2021 22:37:52 GMT -5
Im kinda torn on whether to voltmod the g31 and use it as a daily or just use a p5q cause i do know the g31 has higher fsb capability than my sad p5q, and since going over 542 yeilds a pagefile error it means that this thing can go even faster if i voltmod the sb, i think its usually 124 aka hardware error bsod is where you find the limit, who knows maybe with some voltmodding this thing can do 600fsb
how do i tell what resistance i should use for my pots? What spots can i use for voltage monitoring? Is there a way to input external voltage rather than voltmodding with the mb ics? Also since the bios basically has no options like gtl, spread spectrum, pll, etc. Can i enable them via hardware modding?
Im also considering overvolting the vrms since it can only do 1.6v and the chip that controls the volts has a short name and prob has no datasheet, im thinking more like shoving 14v through the cpu power connector, got this idea because when i used crap psus for my p5q the voltages go haywire, when i set vcore to 1.6 it idles at 1.7 but under load it vdroops to the regular 1.54v, how far do you guys think i can overvolt my vrms before they die? Cause on 14v it yeilds ~16% more volt than 12v, could 15 or 16v be ok ish?
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Oct 22, 2021 8:42:36 GMT -5
Ok now ive bought a broken ep45 ud3p for 5$ and after a lil cleaning its stuck on c1 code (readable using my pci debug card), c1 means ram error cause on my g31 if i tweak my rams wrong it just gets stuck on c1, either my ram is incompatible (team extreem dark) or i just need to drench the socket and ram slots in isopropyl alcohol, ive drenched the entire thing now and im waiting for it to dry atm xD
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Post by Vinster on Oct 22, 2021 10:08:41 GMT -5
inspect the pins on the ram slot before you do that. Use a magnifier. sometimes a pin will get pushed in and doesn't make contact.
if that's the case, sometimes you can use a needle or fine dental pick to pull it out.
Vin
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