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Post by stormchaser on Jan 29, 2019 14:58:16 GMT -5
Just pulled the trigger on a FX 4350 CPU from eBay for a total cost of $40.00. This is a quad core "piledriver" chip that runs stock at 4.2Ghz with turbo up to 4.3Ghz!! I selected this chip in the hopes that it may be binned slightly better due to the higher turbo frequency. It also has a full 8MB of Level 3 cache. At 125W It's also less taxing on my motherboard/power supply so perhaps we can lean on it a little harder.  So the specs for the rest of this build include: 80GB Intel Sata III SSD 3500 Series 8GB KIT of DDR3 7-8-7-20 Corsair XMS3 Fractal Designs Celsius S36 Liquid Cooler CoolerMaster Sileo - quiet, soundproof case Nvidia 2GB Video Card Biostar TA970 mainboard Antec NeoPower 650W blue power supply. CPU should be here within the week, and we will jump right into it. My general goal is 5.0Ghz with liquid cooling! Pictures and updates to follow! |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 29, 2019 16:04:47 GMT -5
Its a 8350 that didnt make the grade thats what they do with the lemons better than throwing them away.
They do the same with Video Card chips like Fury / FuryX
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 29, 2019 16:23:10 GMT -5
It'll still be a hot, power sucker.
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Post by stormchaser on Jan 29, 2019 16:25:11 GMT -5
Its a 8350 that didnt make the grade thats what they do with the lemons better than throwing them away. They do the same with Video Card chips like Fury / FuryX Yep I figured as much... It's like what AMD did with the Zosma core CPUs, except you can't unlock them. I think realistically we will see 4.5-4.7Ghz but still should make for a fun project. I don't need the extra threads of an 8350 so we will just push the little quad core as far as she'll go on liquid cooling. |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 29, 2019 16:27:57 GMT -5
4.8 is a good goal. Anything more is icing on the cake.
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Post by stormchaser on Jan 29, 2019 16:28:14 GMT -5
It'll still be a hot, power sucker. Yes it will. I have a 360mm radiator that should be able to cope with power demands. Motherboard is Biostar TA970, not the best case scenario but not the worst either. 4 +1 power phase. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 29, 2019 18:22:42 GMT -5
Following!!
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 29, 2019 19:42:37 GMT -5
I'll disagree a touch on the not making the grade concept. From my own playing supply and demand may play a role as I got a few lower binned AMDs in the more popular sellers that flat out kick ass on my higher binned cpus.
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Post by Bones on Jan 30, 2019 1:44:21 GMT -5
Ale could be right, at least to an extent. They've done it before with Callisto chips, in that some were made from perfectly good Deneb chips to satisfy demand for the Callisto. The typical date of those was 1004 and yes, my 555 BE is of that date and unlocks fully with no instability. However the other thought makes sense too and is probrably the case for the majority of chips, esp the newer ones by date.
You didn't do bad Stormy, I have a couple of the quad FX chips and they do just fine. However I would suggest in the future to track down an FX-8300 chip, octa-core with only a 95W power draw rating.
Hard to believe a quad cored chip has a higher wattage rating than an octacore of the same chip family but it's true.  |
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Post by obscureparadox on Jan 30, 2019 10:41:40 GMT -5
These things scale really well with temp as well as volts, so even keeping the thing cool with a 360mm rad I think you have a good chance of getting close to that 5Ghz mark if the motherboard can handle it
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Post by stormchaser on Jan 30, 2019 14:45:22 GMT -5
Phase one is complete! I have liberated the TA970 from its grave. One of the motherboard standoffs stripped out and gave me some trouble, other than that it came out okay. Next step: Dismantle the other 960T system and prepare the coolermaster case for use with the TA970 & liquid cooler. I need to get heatsinks for my VRMs. Here is my online album for this build: ibb.co/album/mPN0gF |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 30, 2019 18:56:19 GMT -5
Looks good. Just be careful with that Biostop board. Don't push too hard on it.
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Post by stormchaser on Jan 30, 2019 22:16:44 GMT -5
Looks good. Just be careful with that Biostop board. Don't push too hard on it. Motherboard is rated for 140w CPU, so I have a little headroom to work with. That being said, I will have a maximum cpu clock setting (for benching only) as well has a 24/7 stable bios config. So it won't be run hard around the clock. I am also going to forgo the heavy torture tests on this particular machine. My reasoning is I will never put the system under that level of stress in the real world. I might run a 15 minute AIDA64 system stability test to verify I have a good OC, but that's about it. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 30, 2019 22:40:30 GMT -5
Its not the rating as much as the quality and robustness of the Biostop boards from that time. Them and MSI where the ones to stay away from through the Phenom and FX era of processors.
If you run into trouble a cheap Asus board of equal hardware say 4+1 vrm willdo you fine.
Just be careful is all Im saying. If it shows signs of instability, back the clocks and tweaks down a notch.
Very no good boards for sub zero although some people had luck, I had trouble with both makes of boards.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 31, 2019 22:13:24 GMT -5
Here storm. I did this with FX on 4+1 VRM. 2.0v + and some fellas out there said I couldn't/wouldn't be able to do it. But I did lol. Check this out brother. Doubt me not when I say this was one of THE bast boards I ever bought. Had twins of it actually. hwbot.org/submission/2519777_shrimpbrime_cpu_frequency_fx_4300_7284.91_mhz So check this out, You'd think a quad core running as a dual core would use a lot of energy at that speed and voltage. Well not really. Probably under 200w.... the response from the chip came with cold and voltage. Sky's the limit. I like the cooler you picked out. I'd say 5ghz could be possible if she doesn't leak the voltage bad.... |
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Post by eidairman1 on Jan 31, 2019 23:42:45 GMT -5
It'll still be a hot, power sucker. Yeah id like to really know what my rig draws total at idle, normal, gaming and blender with this cpu cranked lol |
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 1, 2019 15:38:08 GMT -5
Wow shrimp that's one hell of an overclock.. just amazing and like you said, skys the limit. I will keep an eye out for a replacement Asus motherboard. I kinda want to kill this biostar board, so we are either gonna have success or die tryin' I am happy with the cooler as well, I think it will do well for the FX4350. Performed like a champ when I had my X6 thuban installed. Today I dismantled the spare 960T rig completely. With power supply installed we are ready to build from here!!!       |
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Post by zila1 on Feb 1, 2019 16:41:31 GMT -5
A really fine board from that era for a Phenom Processor would have been the Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H. Those were real good boards. Gigabyte was on top of there game with those. I have one and just love it. Real good voltage regulation on it. Scottie actually chose that board for me when he was helping me build a brand new Phenom rig. Oh my God.........I just looked up the invoice for that build. Back in September 2010. Dam I've been with Scottie a loooooooong time. 
Edit: ShrimpBrime, that was a very impressive run you did with that board. You always seem to pull the rabbit out of the hat so to speak.  |
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 1, 2019 17:52:07 GMT -5
I know Biostar doesn't make the best quality boards but back in 2011, when I was building my first Phenom II system, I ran a TA880Gu3+ with 3+1 power phase.
Believe it or not, this motherboard held up to a 4Ghz hexacore (unlocked 970BE) for close to seven years. I did eventually pop it, but it took much longer than I expected...
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Post by zila1 on Feb 1, 2019 18:55:32 GMT -5
I know Biostar doesn't make the best quality boards but back in 2011, when I was building my first Phenom II system, I ran a TA880Gu3+ with 3+1 power phase. Believe it or not, this motherboard held up to a 4Ghz hexacore (unlocked 970BE) for close to seven years. I did eventually pop it, but it took much longer than I expected... Nothing wrong with that, you got your money's worth out of it. Nice. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 1, 2019 18:55:38 GMT -5
Like I said Storm, you may be a lucky one and it'll last for a bit, remember I used mine with extreme cooling more so than daily.
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Post by Bones on Feb 1, 2019 22:17:54 GMT -5
All I can say about a Biostop is it will stop if you lean on it very hard. For everyday stuff it's OK but nothing to rely on if cranking up the MHz on something. Have a dead one here that was a 990FX board and it died due to a bad stick of RAM, something that would have made another board throw an error but not this one..... Or the one before it. Same basic problem as the MSI's have being made with cheap Nikos components.
Hey Stormy, I was serious about the suggestion to grab a FX-8300 if you can find one since they do draw the same or less wattage than a 4350 does, the 8300 rated for 95W and the 4350 rated for 125W's stock.
Extra cores to use with less wattage draw is a win in my book.
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 2, 2019 14:48:59 GMT -5
All I can say about a Biostop is it will stop if you lean on it very hard. For everyday stuff it's OK but nothing to rely on if cranking up the MHz on something. Have a dead one here that was a 990FX board and it died due to a bad stick of RAM, something that would have made another board throw an error but not this one..... Or the one before it. Same basic problem as the MSI's have being made with cheap Nikos components.
Hey Stormy, I was serious about the suggestion to grab a FX-8300 if you can find one since they do draw the same or less wattage than a 4350 does, the 8300 rated for 95W and the 4350 rated for 125W's stock.
Extra cores to use with less wattage draw is a win in my book.
Yes, I have a feeling I will kill this biostar 970. It doesn't have a great rating in general, so I might be limited in terms of how much I can overclock. I guess I have my other Biostar, an A880GZ, but that's a 3+1 design and only rated for 125W. Not a good last resort option either. As for the FX 8300, yes I've already been looking online for em. Ebay seems to have a couple for $50-60 in that range. The FX8300 has a lower TDP, at 95W, however it runs at only 3.3Ghz, so once I start overclocking it's going to scale like any other FX chip. I.E. it will probably be pushing ~125 watts @ 4.0Ghz and more like 200w at 4.5Ghz. I will be looking to pick one up as well as another board (probably an Asus 4+1) so I can make this OC last. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 2, 2019 17:26:11 GMT -5
Storm, when looking at FX chips, you'd think the FX-8300 isn't a good clocker because of the low binning when in fact it's the other way around. Typically the lower binned chips leak less voltage therefor require less voltage at X clock speed as say the FX-8350. From all the chips I've overclocked, the FX-8300 did the best from daily clocks to max clocks. Of course I was using a low end board for most runs as was probably limited to overall VRM output stability while still being able to produce 2.0v If you want to push really hard, you get a sabortooth board. Rev 2.0. or the Crosshair. Just use what you got. No point in spending moneys much longer on that platform while you could get a Ryzen 1400 and completely smoke any FX chip out of the water in sheer performance. Just my opinion there. Ryzen board and Cpu bundle 263$$ and some change. www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3599830&Description=Ryzen%201400%20bundle |
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 2, 2019 17:35:20 GMT -5
Look what just showed up *evil grin*  |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 2, 2019 17:41:11 GMT -5
Feels like we've been waiting forever!! Let's see what you can do!!
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 2, 2019 18:45:57 GMT -5
Stock settings to get a baseline result...   |
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 2, 2019 19:15:33 GMT -5
Memory dialed in at 1600Mhz. How far can I push the NB on FX? With Thuban chips it was good for 3000Mhz...  |
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 2, 2019 19:23:01 GMT -5
4400Mhz @ 1.325 volts... so far so good *evil grin*  |
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 2, 2019 20:04:22 GMT -5
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