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Post by dr4g00n on Feb 6, 2019 15:17:25 GMT -5
And there are a bunch of AMD haters there too. I've always saw the opposite. Say something bad about AMD or something good about nVidia or Intel and prepare for the flood. Oh well, that's usually why I stick to the benching threads or clubs and not try to get involved with the keyboard warriors. Those guy's aren't worth my time.
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Post by Bones on Feb 6, 2019 17:13:15 GMT -5
If going for runs like in Super PI, a higher CPU-NB speeds helps right along with the obvious higher and tighter RAM settings. Most anything that's largely RAM realted/based will benefit from that, all else is as expected.
Oh yeah, don't forget to grab the BD conditioner and use it.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 6, 2019 18:16:13 GMT -5
Yep bring the NB back up to 2.4-2.5ghz for daily but try and squeeze more for benching. Get watcha can. For PiMod, get the highest cpu clocks you can muster.
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Post by eidairman1 on Feb 7, 2019 18:34:33 GMT -5
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 10, 2019 18:24:43 GMT -5
If going for runs like in Super PI, a higher CPU-NB speeds helps right along with the obvious higher and tighter RAM settings. Most anything that's largely RAM realted/based will benefit from that, all else is as expected. Oh yeah, don't forget to grab the BD conditioner and use it. BD conditioner? Whats that? Thanks for the other info.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Feb 10, 2019 18:44:29 GMT -5
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Post by Bones on Feb 10, 2019 20:52:48 GMT -5
Probrably - Dropping the Multiplier could help with temps a little overall but they'd still be high anyway.
The Scythe Ashura cooler is good but then again it's aircooling, the Cross Kharma would be better but you woudn't see alot of difference. Watercooling is the only real way I'd know to make a real difference with temps aside from finding a Susanoo like I have and even it woudn't do too much more, probrably about 60-65C vs the 77C your temp readout was showing.
The big gain as I mentioned earlier would be to get the CPU-NB up to 2400 and let it ride, any further isn't practical vs the amount of voltage needed along with the extra heat that would bring with it.
Do try it with some bus speed and see what goes.
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Post by eidairman1 on Feb 11, 2019 4:12:52 GMT -5
bones i believe my nb is at 2400 due to my ram being at the speed it is, unless the multiplier had something to do with it.
When i built this rig I intended on proving I could get a 8350 to 5GHz on an Air cooler on all cores vs a 9370/9590 that could only single turbocore up to 5GHz using an AIO.
I also got this cooler because it has no clearance problems on my mobo.
If I WC it will be a custom Loop with a 3D print custom case top spacer on so i can install a rad with fans without interfering with the inside.
Also it depends on if a 16 core Threadripper 3000 series starts to show higher ipc in compare to the Ryzen 3000 series, and can be heavily overclocked.
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Post by Bones on Feb 11, 2019 14:04:54 GMT -5
I hear ya - Had my 9590 up to 5.0 on air before and while I was able to run it there it eventually heatsoaked the Susanoo so had to drop it back down to 4.7. Once I did that and got my voltages right it would run all day like that on air no problem. For viability/reliability WC is your best bet for such, even an 8350 can crankout the heat once above stock.
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 11, 2019 17:48:53 GMT -5
So I changed things up a little bit went from water to air cooling -Swapped the FX 4350 to a BIostar A880GZ (3+1 power phase) -Swapped in a 60GB mushkin SSD -Case has an Antec 400W PSU -Sweet spot is 4.9Ghz
No screenshots right now as my internet connection is weak at the moment.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Feb 11, 2019 17:56:46 GMT -5
4.9 on air and some lesser running gear is pretty impressive. You are learning well grasshopper.
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 11, 2019 20:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by eidairman1 on Feb 11, 2019 22:16:55 GMT -5
I hear ya - Had my 9590 up to 5.0 on air before and while I was able to run it there it eventually heatsoaked the Susanoo so had to drop it back down to 4.7. Once I did that and got my voltages right it would run all day like that on air no problem. For viability/reliability WC is your best bet for such, even an 8350 can crankout the heat once above stock. Whats a Susanoo?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 11, 2019 22:26:55 GMT -5
It's a massive air cooler that utilizes four fans. I mean it's super massive. I think Rodney has one of them as well. Super impressive. www.quietpc.com/susanoo
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Post by Bones on Feb 11, 2019 23:59:33 GMT -5
Now Shrimpy, you should know by now I've had one of those for sometime. All over my wittle Z170 Maximus VIII Impact.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 12, 2019 0:12:32 GMT -5
Haha, that's just awesome. It looks so damn overkill. Probably better than 90% of AIO coolers just because it cools everything even the Cpu
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Post by eidairman1 on Feb 12, 2019 11:44:40 GMT -5
Now Shrimpy, you should know by now I've had one those for sometime. All over my wittle Z170 Maximus VIII Impact.
I see a top down cooler, are those 80 mm fans? stormchaser hows the temperatures?
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Post by Bones on Feb 12, 2019 12:05:32 GMT -5
Those are 100mm fans.
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 12, 2019 12:07:00 GMT -5
When I run the cinebench extreme edition my temps are topping out at 155 and then the system shuts down. Had to dial it down to 4.8Ghz in order to pass the test. But 4.9 is my daily driver setting and for the most part temps stay between 80*F at idle and 135*F under load.
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 12, 2019 15:56:33 GMT -5
Final memory tweaking: We went from DDR3 1600 to 1866 while still remaining at CL7.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 12, 2019 16:33:58 GMT -5
Nice job on the memory tweaking Storm. Looks right on key.
Additional comment, you could hold that memory divider, drop the multi once or twice and run bus clocks up. At 225 at the current divider will bring memory clocks to 1000mhz. Squeeze out what you can for better performance and memory consistency. You can test the consistency by running SuperPi Mod 1m and 32m. You want to see the time between iterations to be as close to exactly the same as possible. Once you get that, your memory and cpu and NB are going to be very responsive.
GLHF!
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 12, 2019 18:52:52 GMT -5
Nice job on the memory tweaking Storm. Looks right on key. Additional comment, you could hold that memory divider, drop the multi once or twice and run bus clocks up. At 225 at the current divider will bring memory clocks to 1000mhz. Squeeze out what you can for better performance and memory consistency. You can test the consistency by running SuperPi Mod 1m and 32m. You want to see the time between iterations to be as close to exactly the same as possible. Once you get that, your memory and cpu and NB are going to be very responsive. GLHF! I am in a bit of a quandary at the moment as I have no option for changing the bus speed in the BIOS (the board is essentially an entry level piece with minimal features). I had a request sent in over at Bios-mods.com but nobody offered to help modify the BIOS for bus speed changes. So that being said it looks like we've run out of headroom with this CPU in terms of multiplier overclocking. What's a little odd is that most of the time the FSB is clocked to 201.67mhz which obviously results in a slight overclock on the CPU, NB and memory, so I guess this board has it's own little turbo feature, or something like that. lol
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 12, 2019 22:07:10 GMT -5
Did you try AOD or Turbo-V?
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Post by Mr.Scott on Feb 13, 2019 8:02:53 GMT -5
AOD will work.
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 13, 2019 9:02:21 GMT -5
So I downloaded both... first, Turbo V does not work because I don't have an Asus board. Second thing, AOD installs just fine and I rebooted, but the program doesn't launch (which is weird because this is a fresh install of windows 10 only about 5 days old).
I get past the warning, then it says program initializing and then nothing, just goes back to my desktop. Weird issue. Not sure what else I can do.
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Post by stormchaser on Feb 13, 2019 14:34:17 GMT -5
I guess that about finishes up the build-- Thanks for all the help with tweaking and tuning! I've done air and water cooling and it's been interesting to see how the FX performs. I will be keeping the chip for my CPU collection.
Final Upgrades include: -8GB kit of RAM @ 1866 CL7 -320GB storage drive (mechanical) -4.8Ghz daily driver mode @ 1.5 vcore. -Fresh install of Windows 10 and Office 2019
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Post by orl on Feb 16, 2019 21:34:00 GMT -5
Have fun with this little volcano. I blew up my FX-8350 system last week. These babies get hot, but with the right motherboard they are a lot of fun to play with as are all AMD cpus for the patient mind.
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Post by stormchaser on Jun 29, 2019 21:11:37 GMT -5
Nice job on the memory tweaking Storm. Looks right on key. Additional comment, you could hold that memory divider, drop the multi once or twice and run bus clocks up. At 225 at the current divider will bring memory clocks to 1000mhz. Squeeze out what you can for better performance and memory consistency. You can test the consistency by running SuperPi Mod 1m and 32m. You want to see the time between iterations to be as close to exactly the same as possible. Once you get that, your memory and cpu and NB are going to be very responsive. GLHF! So I finally got a board that allows for FSB overclocking (biostar TA970, Ive had it a while, was just tied up in another rig). I set the bus speed to 240Mhz and the CPU to 4800Mhz and all appears stable. I have a Hyper 212 in there at the moment otherwise I would go higher (chip is capable of 5+ Ghz with water cooling)
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Post by Bones on Jun 30, 2019 10:26:19 GMT -5
Not bad Stormy - Doing just fine.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 30, 2019 11:44:00 GMT -5
Nice NB frequency. Most FX chips arent too stable beyond 2.5ghz.
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