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Post by mistone on Dec 18, 2016 7:52:51 GMT -5
this is what i get. I think i should try the older version?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 18, 2016 12:13:16 GMT -5
WTF When they boot bios settings are loaded into the bottom of ram and once the operating system takes control then the bios chip does nothing at all you can pull the Bios chip out and the thing will keep running until its rebooted. Thats how Hotflashing works you pull the chip while its running and put another one in and flash it. If the bios chip is getting warm its because its close to the southbridge or something else is warming it but that wont stop it from booting, the bios chip itself dont not work hard and only works during boot. The bios chip is only a PROM. (Programmable Read Only Memory) While the bios chip is plugged into any motherboard, it is fed constant power like memory. It runs hot or warm simply because it's plugged in.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 18, 2016 12:14:33 GMT -5
this is what i get. I think i should try the older version? Yep may want to try an older version or just do it the old fashioned way. I do not know which HDD I have my bios file and winflash on. I do recall it taking several attempts.
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Post by mistone on Dec 18, 2016 17:09:17 GMT -5
alrighty i'll try that tommorow. Today i was busy building a little lan-party purpose box with some leftover parts i had. it has an athlon64 x2 manchester in it and a geforce 7600gs. A bit overkill for quake I also drilled holes in the case to put those wardrobe handles from ikea onto the chassis, easy carrying is a must there. Attachments:
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 19, 2016 5:10:33 GMT -5
Hew Mistone what sort of case is that? looks like an old IBM Aptiva
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Post by mistone on Dec 19, 2016 9:01:23 GMT -5
it's not a brand-name case. It's a generic 90's box, had a slot1 board in it with a celly in an adapter. i didn't have panels for it so i think i'll slap some acrylic in there. but it's pretty well-built and it even has a separate bracket for the psu.
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Post by Bones on Dec 21, 2016 0:00:12 GMT -5
Perhaps one day you could try making one of these, certainly makes a difference in working on a system and temps seen overall. Good thing about this vid is you get an idea on how to make one if you want. Getting a good flat piece of wood for the surface is just as good as the stuff these are made from.
I've had one for several years now and believe me, these things are the ticket.
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Post by mistone on Dec 27, 2016 10:03:22 GMT -5
interesting test bench well i'm not doing it often enough to justify spending money on a bench like this. But i gotta say it looks nice! i'm getting same error even with the older flashers. I guess i'd have to do it the old-fashioned way. So i should just put DOS on a floppy and boot from it?
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 27, 2016 15:52:17 GMT -5
If you got a XP machine with a floppy create a boot disk. To do that you format it and tick create MSDOS startup disk when you do. Now open the disk you might have to remove some of the extra files that you dont need to make room to copy the flash program and bios onto the disk. Now boot the DFI from the floppy when you get to the Dos Prompt type in.
AWDFLASH xxxx.BIN /py/sn/cc
xxxx.BIN being the bios name
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Post by alpi on Jan 20, 2017 22:57:32 GMT -5
I need a little help ! Is there any bios that is much better than others for an Opteron 165 ? I'm searching for better ram flexibility. I can use nearly all divider through overclocking this cpu. Do You have some secret tips for me ?
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Post by ozz on Jan 20, 2017 23:06:16 GMT -5
pete how do i give the bios to alpi ? ahh..what board are you using alpi, mine is a venus, different bios mate, i have all dividers in mine
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Post by alpi on Jan 20, 2017 23:13:54 GMT -5
I have ultra-D. Another question ! Is it possible that imc starts to suffer with higher ram clocks around 0 degree ?!?! One of my 165 seems to have some crazy "clod-bug"-ged imc.... s&@#t !!
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Post by ozz on Jan 20, 2017 23:19:38 GMT -5
i have a 165 opteron in the venus now but my temps i cant get that low, my water is 2c, cpu temp is around 15c, i cant answer that alpi, i dont know, ive never had temps consistently that low to know...sorry
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 21, 2017 1:03:59 GMT -5
Cold bugs start around 0% depending on the CPU.
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Post by kotori on Jan 21, 2017 2:47:12 GMT -5
If windows starts up successfully, I think it's important how many seconds freez after windows starting up, My opty154 freezes in about 6 seconds after windows starting up, but I avoided it by loading(pi and pifast) it within 6 seconds.
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Post by alpi on Jan 21, 2017 3:19:01 GMT -5
i have a 165 opteron in the venus now but my temps i cant get that low, my water is 2c, cpu temp is around 15c, i cant answer that alpi, i dont know, ive never had temps consistently that low to know...sorry Well it seems it's not around zero but between 5-10 degrees..... I was opened the balcony door to let some cold air reach my chiller and cpu was frozen in windows... Idle core temps were around 10, so a bit lower it starts to collapse. :S How stupid thing ! Cpu goes quite good anyway but this silly cb pissed me off !! My temps are nearly the same as Yours. My chiller makes somewhere between 2 - 5 degrees temperated to room air but if You starts to lower the outside temperature, the water temp starts to sink with it. I mean outside the chiller. I have an old Boreas peltier chiller. In winter it's quite a good stuff because it can be placed to my balcony and if it's a cold winter night, it can produce nice minuses !
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 21, 2017 5:57:35 GMT -5
It must be a bad one most will go to Zero but not much further there are one or two 939 models that will go a bit lower but not a great deal. How many watts do your pelts pull and what voltage are you feeding them Alpi?
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Post by alpi on Jan 21, 2017 7:33:59 GMT -5
It must be a bad one most will go to Zero but not much further there are one or two 939 models that will go a bit lower but not a great deal. How many watts do your pelts pull and what voltage are you feeding them Alpi? 12 x 10W peltier and I'm feeding with 12V from an old psu. We can say it can be cool water around 15 degree lower than surrounded air temp. At first maybe doesn't seems a big thing but it's 20 C advantage from a normal water gives You another level ! I like it also because it's pretty small and can be placed everywhere easily. Even to outdoor at winter !
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Post by ozz on Jan 21, 2017 7:39:46 GMT -5
not sure if this means anything alpi, just saw your temps there, a -12 cpu to 20 motherboard temp, thats 18 degrees diff, too me i would think thats gettin up there, with -12 cpu temp you gotta be doin ss or dice or the likes, i dunno but i would've thought at that temp the motherboard may have been a bit cooler than that, i dunno , but those temps diff just stuck out to me
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Post by alpi on Jan 21, 2017 7:50:58 GMT -5
not sure if this means anything alpi, just saw your temps there, a -12 cpu to 20 motherboard temp, thats 18 degrees diff, too me i would think thats gettin up there, with -12 cpu temp you gotta be doin ss or dice or the likes, i dunno but i would've thought at that temp the motherboard may have been a bit cooler than that, i dunno , but those temps diff just stuck out to me Yes, You're right. The board was in the room but the chiller was outside. I'm not sitting in the cold outside. Not to mention that I cooled the apartment close to outside temps few times ! :DDD When session lasts longer and I don't mind the time.... It was crazy cold 1x - 2x times.
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Post by ozz on Jan 21, 2017 8:07:42 GMT -5
maybe put the board outside too with gladwrap to stop condensation for better temps lol
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Post by alpi on Jan 23, 2017 5:08:44 GMT -5
It must be a bad one most will go to Zero but not much further there are one or two 939 models that will go a bit lower but not a great deal. How many watts do your pelts pull and what voltage are you feeding them Alpi? Is it depends on type or every cpu is different ? What types can tolerate the lowest temps and how far can they pushed sub zero usually ?
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 23, 2017 7:17:44 GMT -5
I cant remember off the top of my head I think some Venices will go below zero. AM2 Windsor will go to around -37 but most others will only go to 0 degrees. AM3 go all the way cold.
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Post by alpi on Jan 23, 2017 10:26:40 GMT -5
I cant remember off the top of my head I think some Venices will go below zero. AM2 Windsor will go to around -37 but most others will only go to 0 degrees. AM3 go all the way cold. Yes, Am3 is so cool stuff ! I have a very good 555 X2. I had 3 ln2 session already with it. Pure pleasure ! Crazy chip, easy handling, can be unlocked to 4 core with 4 very good core, good scaling up to 1.9 V. What else can we want from a Phenom ? I love that chip ! I hold 2 wr's with it on 3 cores. Geekbench and Gpupi 1B. I have a good Am2 too. It's an 5400+, Brisbane core. Have cb around -18....
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Post by alpi on Jan 23, 2017 10:33:21 GMT -5
However I've said, never again, now I think I'm going to remove ihs from one of my Opteron 165. Try to push as high as I can. This early cb doesn't leave me no other option just try to lovering the core temps delta as much as I can. I'm curious about the gain. I'm going to share my findings with You !
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 23, 2017 16:07:39 GMT -5
My 165 is actually worse with the de-lid. Re-timmed and lid back on now.
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Post by alpi on Jan 23, 2017 16:49:14 GMT -5
Project changed a bit ! (again. ) Flash another bios and get a new board and a cpu even !!!! Isn't any strugglings with ram settings, cpu goes like never before ! With a Zalmann cooler just put on the cpu !!! cores around 50 degree. Can't belive this ! From flashing another bios ! Dfi is crazy ! valid.x86.fr/scjgum
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Post by Bones on Jan 23, 2017 19:41:49 GMT -5
From what I've seen the CB/CBB kicks in around the -15C mark or so with some chips tolerating more cold than others. If you're running into a CB issue with the chip I'd leave the lid on, delidding would only make it worse. BTW I see you stalking my 165 Alpi - It's ready and waiting for you to catch up. Seriously, good luck with it.... Woudn't be fun any other way you know.
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Post by alpi on Jan 23, 2017 20:08:24 GMT -5
From what I've seen the CB/CBB kicks in around the -15C mark or so with some chips tolerating more cold than others. If you're running into a CB issue with the chip I'd leave the lid on, delidding would only make it worse. BTW I see you stalking my 165 Alpi - It's ready and waiting for you to catch up. Seriously, good luck with it.... Woudn't be fun any other way you know. Your 165 is an extraterrestrial one ! Can't reach by others but I will try to go as close as I just can ! Searching for better effs and tweaks and we will see how it will be ! Good luck to You as well ! I wish all of us have good time, strong runs. Anyway, don't You think these benchmarks are anything but not for s939. :/ Poor little chips. Like we doing linx on them. I hope no one will have dead chip till the end. Pay attention on temps ! So, up for the competition now !!
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Post by Bones on Jan 23, 2017 20:35:21 GMT -5
Go for it, I do hope you do well and score some points.
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