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Nov 13, 2016 0:22:46 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 13, 2016 0:22:46 GMT -5
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Nov 13, 2016 5:44:32 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 13, 2016 5:44:32 GMT -5
I will be waiting to see how it goes.
Wccf Tech is the biggest rumor mill around.
Some of their leaks are way off the mark.
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Nov 13, 2016 5:54:40 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 13, 2016 5:54:40 GMT -5
I will be waiting to see how it goes. Wccf Tech is the biggest rumor mill around. Some of their leaks are way off the mark. ok pete righto, i just googled zen and thats what i saw but i did think its not released yet as far as i knew coz i wanna see what line they have too and then i see this |
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Nov 13, 2016 7:37:08 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 7:37:08 GMT -5
Being an AMD guy, I will have Zen eventually. I will wait a little though because I want Naples and a good board. It takes a little time to work out the bugs.
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Nov 13, 2016 8:18:15 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 8:18:15 GMT -5
Mac is right WCCF is a big ass rumor hound I follow one of the editors on twitter he is leaving them here a the next few weeks really cool guy but like Mac said most their shit is off the mark by a lot I hope AMD pulls it out with ZEN I was disappointed with me FX 8350 so I hope Zen is much better
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Nov 13, 2016 8:20:34 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 13, 2016 8:20:34 GMT -5
I hope it goes as good as has been said and oveclocks like a FX8350. Now that would be something  |
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Nov 13, 2016 8:29:52 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 8:29:52 GMT -5
yea if they OC like that it will be on like donkey kong dont get me wrong I could push my FX8350 to 4.8ghz I was so close to 5ghz too if it wasnt for the heat (didnt have AIO yet) I am sure I could have hit 5ghz easy but I ended up giving that computer to a friend that was in need plus I was buying a X99 system valid.x86.fr/ax6wnx |
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Nov 13, 2016 9:03:24 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 9:03:24 GMT -5
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Nov 13, 2016 9:09:18 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 9:09:18 GMT -5
yea see I was so close lmao you even used less voltage then I did now I wish I had at least the AIO I could have hit that 5ghz mark but when I get rolling with 775 and those cellys I am gonna smash that barrier |
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Nov 13, 2016 12:34:45 GMT -5
Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 13, 2016 12:34:45 GMT -5
I hope it goes as good as has been said and oveclocks like a FX8350. Now that would be something Will not overclock like FX processors. Firstly it will start at a much lower base clock. Secondly the pipelines are shorter and will greatly lower the OC cap given on X cooling. If these chips are as fast as Intel's extreme chips, look at spending big moneys on this fellas. |
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Nov 13, 2016 13:00:58 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 13:00:58 GMT -5
I hope it goes as good as has been said and oveclocks like a FX8350. Now that would be something Will not overclock like FX processors. Firstly it will start at a much lower base clock. Secondly the pipelines are shorter and will greatly lower the OC cap given on X cooling. If these chips are as fast as Intel's extreme chips, look at spending big moneys on this fellas. Ahhh, but the overclock will be more productive. The number you start and stop at means nothing. Price will be a big factor. If AMD intends to take back some market share the price would have to make it worth while for people to switch off of Intel. They will be cheaper than the comparable Intel chip.........much cheaper. |
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Nov 13, 2016 13:20:48 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 13:20:48 GMT -5
Will not overclock like FX processors. Firstly it will start at a much lower base clock. Secondly the pipelines are shorter and will greatly lower the OC cap given on X cooling. If these chips are as fast as Intel's extreme chips, look at spending big moneys on this fellas. Ahhh, but the overclock will be more productive. The number you start and stop at means nothing. Price will be a big factor. If AMD intends to take back some market share the price would have to make it worth while for people to switch off of Intel. They will be cheaper than the comparable Intel chip.........much cheaper. yea they will most likely be like $50-75 cheaper then Intel if they wanna compete cause not many like myself will wanna swap I had such bad luck with AMD for my everyday use I just dont see myself going back anytime soon |
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Nov 13, 2016 13:27:18 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 13:27:18 GMT -5
Ahhh, but the overclock will be more productive. The number you start and stop at means nothing. Price will be a big factor. If AMD intends to take back some market share the price would have to make it worth while for people to switch off of Intel. They will be cheaper than the comparable Intel chip.........much cheaper. yea they will most likely be like $50-75 cheaper then Intel if they wanna compete cause not many like myself will wanna swap I had such bad luck with AMD for my everyday use I just dont see myself going back anytime soon They'll be cheaper than that. I'm thinking 50% of the Intel part cheaper. Meaning if the equivalent Intel is $1000, AMD's will be in the $500 range. |
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Nov 13, 2016 13:40:06 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 13:40:06 GMT -5
yea they will most likely be like $50-75 cheaper then Intel if they wanna compete cause not many like myself will wanna swap I had such bad luck with AMD for my everyday use I just dont see myself going back anytime soon They'll be cheaper than that. I'm thinking 50% of the Intel part cheaper. Meaning if the equivalent Intel is $1000, AMD's will be in the $500 range. damn if hey are like that and they a really can keep up I might swap back to AMD but time will tell Kabylake is coming soon then they are talking Skylake-X so we will have to wait and see cause skylake-x is supposed to be Q3 2017 those will be the new 6-8-10 core cpus I am excited to see how well AMD does tho |
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Nov 13, 2016 13:52:35 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 13:52:35 GMT -5
Kabylake is a bust. <1% increase over the current Skylake. There is no reason to buy one.
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Nov 13, 2016 14:35:58 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 14:35:58 GMT -5
yea Im not looking at kabylake I am more into the HEDT CPUs like Skylake-X 6-8-10 core cpus hence why I got a 5820k instead of skylake
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Nov 13, 2016 15:07:50 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 13, 2016 15:07:50 GMT -5
I reckon they will probably be around the Skylake / Kabylake price.
I just dont see them keeping up with the 16 thread Haswell E or 20 thread Skylake E
Although I could be wrong.
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Nov 13, 2016 15:11:38 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 15:11:38 GMT -5
yea the broadwell-e 10c/20t CPU is a beast and when skylake-x comes with its 10c/20t cpu by then they will have worked all the bugged outta the 10c/20t cpu they are gonna be hard to contend with
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Nov 13, 2016 15:56:38 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 15:56:38 GMT -5
I reckon they will probably be around the Skylake / Kabylake price. I just dont see them keeping up with the 16 thread Haswell E or 20 thread Skylake E Although I could be wrong. Ehh....dunno about that. What's it take to score 2000 in CB15? |
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Nov 13, 2016 16:01:21 GMT -5
Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 13, 2016 16:01:21 GMT -5
yea the broadwell-e 10c/20t CPU is a beast and when skylake-x comes with its 10c/20t cpu by then they will have worked all the bugged outta the 10c/20t cpu they are gonna be hard to contend with What kind of bugs are you suggesting that Broadwell-E has ?
Because I am running my 6950X at 5ghz core, 4.25ghz cache with 1.5V and 1.375V respectively, with 32gb G.Skill Trident Z at 3333 ( super tight ), and I do not have the slightest issue even benching 2D and 3D for hours and hours. The only issue is, that it devours DICE at such speed that I need at least 20Kg for a 5 hour session.
So, what are the bugs ? Alda mem bandwidth of 98000mb/sec ? CPU staying far below zero even at 5ghz ? Enormous cache capability ?
I am truly interested to read the bugs of this.
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Nov 13, 2016 16:02:47 GMT -5
Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 13, 2016 16:02:47 GMT -5
I reckon they will probably be around the Skylake / Kabylake price. I just dont see them keeping up with the 16 thread Haswell E or 20 thread Skylake E Although I could be wrong. Ehh....dunno about that. What's it take to score 2000 in CB15? 2645 is my score of CBR15.
Pretty cool for a bugged processor.
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Nov 13, 2016 16:10:48 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 16:10:48 GMT -5
yea the broadwell-e 10c/20t CPU is a beast and when skylake-x comes with its 10c/20t cpu by then they will have worked all the bugged outta the 10c/20t cpu they are gonna be hard to contend with What kind of bugs are you suggesting that Broadwell-E has ?
Because I am running my 6950X at 5ghz core, 4.25ghz cache with 1.5V and 1.375V respectively, with 32gb G.Skill Trident Z at 3333 ( super tight ), and I do not have the slightest issue even benching 2D and 3D for hours and hours. The only issue is, that it devours DICE at such speed that I need at least 20Kg for a 5 hour session.
So, what are the bugs ? Alda mem bandwidth of 98000mb/sec ? CPU staying far below zero even at 5ghz ? Enormous cache capability ?
I am truly interested to read the bugs of this.
I am going by intels tick-tock pattern they go by the big improvements to it will be in Skylake-X for one 6950x is 1st gen HEDT cpu with 10c/20t so there will be improvements 2nd broadwell-e uses WAY too much power the 6800k barely hits 4.4ghz with 1.45v my 5820k hits 4.5ghz with less voltage 1.25v that causes serious heat for normal everyday use that was what I meant when they can bring the voltage back down then I would be happy I understand where you are coming from the 6950x is a great CPU and you are talking dice too I am talking everyday use here the best I have seen is 4.3ghz with a 6950x on water when we get to skylake-x you will see what I am talking about hopefully they fix the voltage issue cause IMO for everyday use that is way too high |
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Nov 13, 2016 16:11:51 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 16:11:51 GMT -5
Ehh....dunno about that. What's it take to score 2000 in CB15? 2645 is my score of CBR15. What speed? Only reason I ask is there is a leaked bench of a 8c/16t Zen processor with a score of 2000 in CB15, but nobody shows the clock speed. |
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Nov 13, 2016 16:15:35 GMT -5
Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 13, 2016 16:15:35 GMT -5
2645 is my score of CBR15. What speed? Only reason I ask is there is a leaked bench of a 8c/16t Zen processor with a score of 2000 in CB15, but nobody shows the clock speed. 6950X Scotty, not Zen. Sorry for the misunderstanding
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Nov 13, 2016 16:18:30 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 16:18:30 GMT -5
2645 is my score of CBR15. What speed? Only reason I ask is there is a leaked bench of a 8c/16t Zen processor with a score of 2000 in CB15, but nobody shows the clock speed. 5960x gets a close to 2k in CBR15 |
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Nov 13, 2016 16:19:55 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 16:19:55 GMT -5
What speed? Only reason I ask is there is a leaked bench of a 8c/16t Zen processor with a score of 2000 in CB15, but nobody shows the clock speed. 6950X Scotty, not Zen. Sorry for the misunderstanding
I know you have a 6950x. What speed were you at for that 26xx score? Just trying to ballpark how fast that Zen processor was running at. |
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Nov 13, 2016 16:21:10 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 16:21:10 GMT -5
6950X Scotty, not Zen. Sorry for the misunderstanding
I know you have a 6950x. What speed were you at for that 26xx score? Just trying to ballpark how fast that Zen processor was running at. 4950mhz on dice he got that score |
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Nov 13, 2016 16:27:06 GMT -5
Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 13, 2016 16:27:06 GMT -5
What kind of bugs are you suggesting that Broadwell-E has ?
Because I am running my 6950X at 5ghz core, 4.25ghz cache with 1.5V and 1.375V respectively, with 32gb G.Skill Trident Z at 3333 ( super tight ), and I do not have the slightest issue even benching 2D and 3D for hours and hours. The only issue is, that it devours DICE at such speed that I need at least 20Kg for a 5 hour session.
So, what are the bugs ? Alda mem bandwidth of 98000mb/sec ? CPU staying far below zero even at 5ghz ? Enormous cache capability ?
I am truly interested to read the bugs of this.
I am going by intels tick-tock pattern they go by the big improvements to it will be in Skylake-X for one 6950x is 1st gen HEDT cpu with 10c/20t so there will be improvements 2nd broadwell-e uses WAY too much power the 6800k barely hits 4.4ghz with 1.45v my 5820k hits 4.5ghz with less voltage 1.25v that causes serious heat for normal everyday use that was what I meant when they can bring the voltage back down then I would be happy I understand where you are coming from the 6950x is a great CPU and you are talking dice too I am talking everyday use here the best I have seen is 4.3ghz with a 6950x on water when we get to skylake-x you will see what I am talking about hopefully they fix the voltage issue cause IMO for everyday use that is way too high Well, yes and no. All processors are not the same. I have a 5820K that does 4.5ghz core with 1.10V on a simple EKWB AIO ( EK 240 ). There is silicon and silicon. There are 6950X that will not do 4.2ghz and there are very few that do 4.6ghz with less than 1.45V on a two triple radiator setup and a D5 pump. No cold water. Huge margins there.
A friend of mine got a golden 6800K by mere luck, which runs 4.7ghz with the above mentioned water setup, and 1.42V. No heat issues whatsoever. Max is 72c ( Prime 95 1344 small FFT's - 1 hour ). I have seen Skylake I7-6700k ( more than 20 have passed from my hands ), do 4.7ghz at 1.48V !!!!! and on the other hand I have kept two pieces with Vid1.20V and 1.1950V respectively that do - 1) 5.1ghz core 4.9ghz cache on a Maximus VIII extreme with 1.48V ( simple water cooling ) 2) 5.8ghz core, 5.5ghz cache on Dice with 1.65V.
It is all in the silicon
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Nov 13, 2016 16:28:14 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 16:28:14 GMT -5
So it would be safe to assume that the Zen CPU was in the 4.8-5.0 range to score 2000?
That's a pretty good overclock for a chip that's supposed to start at the 3.2-3.6 range.
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Nov 13, 2016 16:34:37 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 13, 2016 16:34:37 GMT -5
Interesting they are going to be 8core 16 thread?
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