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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 5, 2023 23:51:10 GMT -5
went and bought 3 boards (p8z68 deluxe, h55m e23, asrock h55m) and miracolously all of em are fixable and now seem to be working perfectly fine, z68 and h55m e23 needed a water dunk though but the asrock just needed some pin bending
Obviously ill be selling them all cause $ but before i do that i wanna mess around with this p8z68 deluxe that i got
Ive seen hwbot ppl being able to clock like 110+ bclk on boards that are worse than this one like the asrock extreme3 or boards a tier above like the maximus iv but i cant seem to get past 105.3 bclk even with spread spectrum off, if crappier boards can do higher bclk then this z68 should be able to do bclk aswell
Theres no info on how to get high bclk cause most results are just ppl fearmongering the crap out of any would be bclk ocers about corruption and stuff which ive found no proof of so far so may aswell go test that myself with high bclk, if anyone got proof of bclk actually corrupting stuff just post it here cause im kinda curious myself if the corruption fearmongering is true or not, the hardware damage part ill just call complete bullshit on that, how the hell do clocks alone without any help of extra voltage kill hardware?
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 6, 2023 1:55:01 GMT -5
Played a little with this socket and locked CPUs, mostly Xeons, although using Z77. The better I looked at were around 107-109, been awhile so not on the top of my head, going to have to bin some CPUs to find a good one, some of the lower end CPUs I was buying 5 or more to test and some were hard pressed to do a 103 bclk, never did find a golden one. Was using a Maximus Extreme or Gene, liked the Gene better.
As for your latter comment if I remember right S1155 was the first socket to be locked down tight by Intel but based on the early days of Z170 most of what was said by folks for S1155 and bclk clocking turned out to be BS.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 6, 2023 2:56:50 GMT -5
1155 about 105 is generally what you expect take the CPU cold you might see 110 or maybe 112.
Z170 the motherboard manufacturers released bioses that turned off AVX and you could baseclock I still have a 6100 in a Maximus VIII hero that has the right bios on it to baseclock has been over 6Ghz cold. 6320 was the popular CPU for baseclock
I also have a bios for baseclock for Maximus VIII Gene. All the bioses used to be on HWBot but that dont work anymore.
Intel quickly stopped the manufacturers releasing baseclock bioses cant have people buying cheap cpu's they want you to buy a K series cpu.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 6, 2023 2:59:36 GMT -5
Played a little with this socket and locked CPUs, mostly Xeons, although using Z77. The better I looked at were around 107-109, been awhile so not on the top of my head, going to have to bin some CPUs to find a good one, some of the lower end CPUs I was buying 5 or more to test and some were hard pressed to do a 103 bclk, never did find a golden one. Was using a Maximus Extreme or Gene, liked the Gene better. As for your latter comment if I remember right S1155 was the first socket to be locked down tight by Intel but based on the early days of Z170 most of what was said by folks for S1155 and bclk clocking turned out to be BS. The "killing hardware" or "data corruption" part or do you mean something else? Z170 uses the cpus clockgen and current bclk oc uses external clockgen iirc so its more like raising the cpus base clock and not clocking pcie or anything like that which may cause "corruption" if that isnt just hearsay garbage some idiot that got unlucky with an particularly unstable ram oc or something spread with no evidence to back it up (and i have seen no evidence of bclk causing corruption) |
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 6, 2023 3:26:01 GMT -5
Played a little with this socket and locked CPUs, mostly Xeons, although using Z77. The better I looked at were around 107-109, been awhile so not on the top of my head, going to have to bin some CPUs to find a good one, some of the lower end CPUs I was buying 5 or more to test and some were hard pressed to do a 103 bclk, never did find a golden one. Was using a Maximus Extreme or Gene, liked the Gene better. As for your latter comment if I remember right S1155 was the first socket to be locked down tight by Intel but based on the early days of Z170 most of what was said by folks for S1155 and bclk clocking turned out to be BS. The "killing hardware" or "data corruption" part or do you mean something else? Z170 uses the cpus clockgen and current bclk oc uses external clockgen iirc so its more like raising the cpus base clock and not clocking pcie or anything like that which may cause "corruption" if that isnt just hearsay garbage some idiot that got unlucky with an particularly unstable ram oc or something spread with no evidence to back it up (and i have seen no evidence of bclk causing corruption) As for killing hardware, I don't see that happening as not pushing heavy volts on the locked CPUs. Corruption maybe, although I've not seen it, I've got a couple of Z68's on the dining room table so I guess I'll see, CPUs are waiting in the mailbox so should know in the next couple days. |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 6, 2023 3:37:04 GMT -5
Flashed a p8z77-v premium bios and post but doesnt get into bios and stuck on bios updating, now i wanna try a p9x79 deluxe bios just for the hell of it, i mean if it miracolously posts, gets into bios and works normally bclk strap oc could be possible
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 6, 2023 3:55:28 GMT -5
Brad you have given me an idea I will buy in skylake non K cpus and run them under the cascade should be easy points there.  |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 6, 2023 5:32:33 GMT -5
Brad you have given me an idea I will buy in skylake non K cpus and run them under the cascade should be easy points there. Actually i have a chance to go ddr4 since theres someone heavily underpricing a half working (able to post) h310, g5400, 4gb ddr4, along with some random case psu and stock fan. Cpu alone goes for 40$ cause idiots have no clue that a stupid pure dualcore from a few generations ago are worthless garbage, oh well thats the indonesian used market :") think tonight ill buy just to get out of always being on absolutely ancient hardware, itll likely sell alot quicker than a deal i found on fb which is 2 half working z77 (ocf, and p8z77v deluxe), and i can snap up any of the 300 series boards (theres quite a few decent deals on em actually) Ive heard that the 100 and 200 series boards can be bios modded to support coffeelake so i wonder if anyones screwed around with bclk non k coffeelake on a z170 |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 6, 2023 6:04:28 GMT -5
Welp g5400 sold, still gonna have to be stuck on ancient hardware for awhile then  |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 6, 2023 21:09:27 GMT -5
Yea i give up on bclk, dont wanna go past 105.3 even if i disable all the onboard stuff so now i wanna focus on ram since x58 on my p6t deluxe v2 with a buggy p6x58d premium bios that lets me run ridicolous settings but completely unstable outside p95 large ffts only got 2140 (max ~2200)
Struggling to get past 2000 even with 9-11-11-32 and 1.7v for just 2250mhz (bclk 105.2) so anyone got settings for pscs?
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 6, 2023 22:43:50 GMT -5
What you have a matched set of PSC what brand are they?
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 6, 2023 23:00:07 GMT -5
What you have a matched set of PSC what brand are they? Matched pscs just by looking at the ics but theyre generic 1333 bin transcend 1gb dimms |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 6, 2023 23:35:28 GMT -5
Should be able to do 6-7-6-20 @ 1600mhz or 6-9-7-24 @ 2000mhz or 8-11-8-24 @ 2400mhz 1.8v.
All depends on the chip quality and if they are burnt or not.
A lot of dickheads put too much voltage through memory and they never perform the way they did when new.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 7, 2023 3:37:01 GMT -5
Should be able to do 6-7-6-20 @ 1600mhz or 6-9-7-24 @ 2000mhz or 8-11-8-24 @ 2400mhz 1.8v. All depends on the chip quality and if they are burnt or not. A lot of dickheads put too much voltage through memory and they never perform the way they did when new. It can actually run 8-11-8-24 at 2133 but not 2400, i assume i gotta adjust the subtimings? Not even brute forcing 1.9v does anything Also vccio doesnt post above 1.1v and vccsa doesnt seem to do anything since 2133 will run even at 0.9 vccsa so seems kinda pointless raising vccsa, i assume both are gonna have the same safe volt as vcore so tons of headroom |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 7, 2023 4:19:43 GMT -5
Actually 2400 multi seems to be busted since that gets constantly stuck at 23 but 2666 multi actually gets stuck at 55 and it rolls codes upon reset unlike 2400 where it just stays stuck at 23 even if i push reset so now im just gunning for 2666 and using luumi psc settings as a loose reference cause no way these are top bin psc  |
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 7, 2023 6:20:08 GMT -5
Ran into the same bclk you were getting when I first started yesterday, board or IMC did not like my Patriots, which I was using for a i7 2600 and Z77. Switched to a set of Klevv not stellar but forgiving. Been posting to windows @ 104.5 bclk (105.2 best to windows but maybe on 1 of 5 attempts), using TurboV EVO to raise block in OS. Other than the primaries the rest of the timings are auto, got a couple of other sets to try. Did get 107 but locked up when I loaded x265. SS got everything I've played with.  |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 7, 2023 7:00:28 GMT -5
Sandy bridge IMC wont do 2400 mem Brad look at all the top scores on the bot for 2600k non of them are much over 2133 mem.
Run 2133 and tighten timings with PSC try 6-10-7-24 I would also try Hypers too
Ivy bridge can do 2600 mem although not all of them with good PSC 7-11-8-24 @ 2400 would be good.
Haswell will do 8-12-8-28 @ 2666 with good PSC infact 2800 can be possible.
I like your Klevv mem Hynix MFR loose timings in Haswell probably do 3000 mem fairly easy Ksateaaa had a set of Klevv.
I have a set of G.Skill 3000 here Hynix MFR gotta try them in Haswell oneday.
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 7, 2023 7:47:35 GMT -5
Sandy bridge IMC wont do 2400 mem Brad look at all the top scores on the bot for 2600k non of them are much over 2133 mem. Run 2133 and tighten timings with PSC try 6-10-7-24 I would also try Hypers too Ivy bridge can do 2600 mem although not all of them with good PSC 7-11-8-24 @ 2400 would be good. Haswell will do 8-12-8-28 @ 2666 with good PSC infact 2800 can be possible. I like your Klevv mem Hynix MFR loose timings in Haswell probably do 3000 mem fairly easy Ksateaaa had a set of Klevv. I have a set of G.Skill 3000 here Hynix MFR gotta try them in Haswell oneday. Hypers were a no go for bclk, even 7's below 900 wouldn't bclk up. PSC don't have a decent kit in the house. Have two more samples of the CPU been reluctant to swap due to a bent pin, fine for alignment but height is a problem, using some pretty heavy mounting pressure to get this one to post. |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 7, 2023 8:17:28 GMT -5
Oh Okay doesnt sound good hope when you do swap it keeps going.
Good Luck.
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 7, 2023 11:10:02 GMT -5
CPU change went good!! Bumped vcore to vid and changed to a set of Trident X, no improvement on the first CPU Here is 2 of 3, got a 109.1 but CB03 froze, might have been 109.2 board is odd sometimes high sometimes low on bus speed.  |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 7, 2023 13:45:30 GMT -5
Sandy bridge IMC wont do 2400 mem Brad look at all the top scores on the bot for 2600k non of them are much over 2133 mem. Run 2133 and tighten timings with PSC try 6-10-7-24 I would also try Hypers too Ivy bridge can do 2600 mem although not all of them with good PSC 7-11-8-24 @ 2400 would be good. Haswell will do 8-12-8-28 @ 2666 with good PSC infact 2800 can be possible. I like your Klevv mem Hynix MFR loose timings in Haswell probably do 3000 mem fairly easy Ksateaaa had a set of Klevv. I have a set of G.Skill 3000 here Hynix MFR gotta try them in Haswell oneday. 2400 hits a brick wall being completely stuck at 23 2666 also hits a brick wall, also stuck but at 55 Idk if im imc limited, ram limited, or board limited cause not even shoving 1.45v vccsa and 1.35v vccio will get this stupid thing to post, but i still have some headroom since board maxes out at 1.7v and these pentiums are like <2$ to buy one so dont care if i degrade it or outright kill it. Mines an ivy g2030 Also attemtping to bclk up with 2133 just results in the same issue as 2400 multi getting stuck at 23 so now im just wondering if this may just be a board limit or something cause the ram timings menu is barren asf and trefi maxes out at a pitiful 9999 and not 65536, think ill wait to get my hands on a better board and there are 2 z77 im gonna buy soon being the z77 ocf and p8z77 deluxe but more interested in the former for having proper bios that isnt barren |
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Post by MachineLearning on Jan 7, 2023 14:19:42 GMT -5
Ran into the same bclk you were getting when I first started yesterday, board or IMC did not like my Patriots, which I was using for a i7 2600 and Z77. Switched to a set of Klevv not stellar but forgiving. Been posting to windows @ 104.5 bclk (105.2 best to windows but maybe on 1 of 5 attempts), using TurboV EVO to raise block in OS. Other than the primaries the rest of the timings are auto, got a couple of other sets to try. Did get 107 but locked up when I loaded x265. SS got everything I've played with. View AttachmentAre you running IDE mode instead of AHCI for Windows install? Also, would you like some PSC? Corsair Dom (also have GT PSC) so not the best but it should be okay.  |
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 7, 2023 17:18:00 GMT -5
somerandomtechyboiWas looking at the stat's for the G2030. average air 103.9 bclk, with water netting a 106.0, don't think I saw a 109 on what I looked at, actually more than few subs, your 105+ isn't that bad given the CPU. MachineLearningThanks maybe down the road on the PSCs, think the Pats will work with the CPU in use now. BIOS is for W7 & 8 have the XP BIOS but haven't tried it yet so using AHCI.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 7, 2023 17:22:37 GMT -5
109 you are doing good Brad.
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 7, 2023 17:34:54 GMT -5
109 you are doing good Brad. Z77 and the chiller might get a little closer to Leeg's 110 bclk. |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 7, 2023 18:43:03 GMT -5
Yep probably will I know you get a small edge with cold.
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Post by MachineLearning on Jan 7, 2023 19:58:49 GMT -5
somerandomtechyboiWas looking at the stat's for the G2030. average air 103.9 bclk, with water netting a 106.0, don't think I saw a 109 on what I looked at, actually more than few subs, your 105+ isn't that bad given the CPU. MachineLearningThanks maybe down the road on the PSCs, think the Pats will work with the CPU in use now. BIOS is for W7 & 8 have the XP BIOS but haven't tried it yet so using AHCI. Sounds good - if you want 'em just shoot a PM and I'll send some over.  The reason I ask about IDE mode is I wonder if it could help, just as for FMx platforms. |
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 8, 2023 23:26:38 GMT -5
somerandomtechyboiI bought a couple mixed lots of S1155, ended up with two G2030's from different plants, 105.9 and 106.3, not what I wanted but right at what the bot is showing for water cooling. Locked CPU bclk clocking is all about binning CPUs and once you get to Kaby Lake it's who's got the best ram.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 11, 2023 9:33:26 GMT -5
somerandomtechyboi I bought a couple mixed lots of S1155, ended up with two G2030's from different plants, 105.9 and 106.3, not what I wanted but right at what the bot is showing for water cooling. Locked CPU bclk clocking is all about binning CPUs and once you get to Kaby Lake it's who's got the best ram. Well i do have a lot of 9 i3 cpus, 7 sandy 2 ivy though they all dont post and i belive 2 of em just makes the board go nope and shuts off right after pressing the power button, the ones that roll codes think it was 3 of em either get stuck on 55 (dram) or 69 (nice), if i get em working then |
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 11, 2023 11:24:24 GMT -5
Got an i3 2100 working aaand it already destroys the g2030, pretty big margin too like max bios boot is 107.5, not sure if this is just an average cpu or if i hit the jackpot golden cpu or something, theres still quite a few more to go and this will take awhile since 99% IPA isnt gonna work as ive already sprayed them all so now its onto more involved maintenece which is just scratching whatever that black stuff is on the pads, theres also some with missing smds so ill also give solder paste a go as a lazy fix since i dont have hot air yet
Theres also the odd cpus that just 00 even though there doesnt seem to be any physical damage or buildup of whatever that black stuff on the pads is, IPA also doesnt work sometimes so these are just dead, maybe i could scratch the hell out of the pads but with no obviously dirty ones thats just boring af, wonder if just scratching the absolute shit out of em with a metal brush will work
I was actually planning on testing an h55m e33 i just bought but now im distracted with fixing i3s and problably selling most of em for peanuts, but 1$ a peice and 5$-7$ sell, its pretty decent profit percentage wise assuming i can get alot of them to be fixed and not just this one i3. Currently im drying it since i sprayed the socket with some 99% IPA cause this will take awhile
May aswell ask if there are extra tools i can use to aid in pin bending, most of the pin bending i do is the easy slightly bent pin sidewards or upwards and i just use a razor to fix, but alot of the pins i deal with have their bases bent forward (the part thats going into the socket) and it is extremely annoying to deal with those especially severe bends, currently got a razor (the mass is useful so i dont gotta apply tons of force and bending without leverage is a ton easier and safer), crappy tweezers that are problably not fit for the job cause theyre too big but still handy if i wanna totally straighten pins or do more precise bends, and needle cause thin and can also act as a leverage point to counteract the annoying bent pin bases by sticking it under the pin and using a razor but not perfect. Mainly concerned about the bent bases, aformentioned using a needle and razor works but its really imprecise and i gotta apply force and not just use the razors mass so often times the pin just goes completely down, usually fine most of the time just bend it back but course there are gonna be weaker pins that will just snap when i try bending em back, seems like one of those tweezers with really thin tips will do but i may aswell ask if there are other tools that i can use to aid in pin bending. think i have a decent amount of skill now that ive done it quite a few times so even with clumsy ass tools i can mostly manage but sucks to lose a board cause clumsy tools fucked an important data pin
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