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Post by MachineLearning on Feb 2, 2023 9:26:51 GMT -5
True that im pretty close to china, though idk what the hell to do with my dead cpus after i take the gamble on buying one and hoping basic pad scratching + ipa cleaning will fix em i do have 3 or 4 cpus that can potentially come alive with more pad scratching as they do give postcodes but usually get stuck on codes like 55, 4f, 69, etc. But using a razor takes awhile, wonder if a stiff metal brush will do or are there better ways to scratch the pads? Maybe even steel wool might work? pad scratching is almost never going to fix anything. a cleaning is all you should have to do. If it still does not work its likely dead I agree completely. Pad scratching is somewhere between useless and harmful, just use vinegar and isopropyl alcohol and maybe a paper towel for some friction. Or even your finger just to get a bit off. Gold plates the copper pads and that protects them from corrosion, scratching that away will make things worse in the long run
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Post by austin86 on Feb 2, 2023 9:54:51 GMT -5
pad scratching is almost never going to fix anything. a cleaning is all you should have to do. If it still does not work its likely dead I agree completely. Pad scratching is somewhere between useless and harmful, just use vinegar and isopropyl alcohol and maybe a paper towel for some friction. Or even your finger just to get a bit off. Gold plates the copper pads and that protects them from corrosion, scratching that away will make things worse in the long run Yeah the gold plating does stop corrosion.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 2, 2023 23:11:46 GMT -5
There is likely someone else going on here. Unless if the pads are supper dirty or pitted scraping them is not going to fix anything. maybe try 2k grit sandpaper if they are that dirty ?
Regardless I would keep any CPU's you can't fix, its like 5-6$ a lb here for LGA chips. Even if you can't find a place to take them pull off the copper IHS and keep them. Copper is shooting up in price right now.
i mean i have revived like 7-8 chips at this point by scratching the pads with a razor, mostly just 775 stuff from a lot that i currently cant sell cause noone wants e8500 even if theyre like 1$ though selling the copper ihs is interesting since lga 775 p4 and e2x00 are going for 30 cents nowadays (prob can get em cheaper in bulk), wonder if the indium solder is worth anything or not
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 3, 2023 5:57:50 GMT -5
Ok looking at other z68 bioses yea theyre barren asf with ram settings, in that case this z68 serves no purpose for me and i think ill just sell it, definitely no lower than 25$ though cause it is still a useful test board and who needs cmos battery anyways?
ill problably try the z68 extreme7 and z77 ocf bioses see if theyre any better (if the z77 even works), z68 problably not and ocf probs just gonna do the same thing as the p8z77 premium bios (post but not get into bios). Just gotta get another display card
Also max i can do is 2200 with the g2030 so ill just assume cpu limit cause single rank and dual rank dont make a diff with max ram capability for me and p8z68 deluxe cant be that bad at clocking rams, tested with 9-12-9 80trfc, not really gonna bother overtightening the primaries and running tons of volt for seemingly no gain (runs at 1.7v so alotta headroom)
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Post by austin86 on Feb 3, 2023 9:15:17 GMT -5
though selling the copper ihs is interesta4 slineing since lga 775 p4 and e2x00 are going for 30 cents nowadays (prob can get em cheaper in bulk), wonder if the indium solder is worth anything or not its like .5-2oz of #2 copper at best. so thats about 5-25 cents with the price of #2 copper here. if you remove the IHS cleanly you can scrap the CPU and might make a few cents a CPU. If you can get the CPUs in bulk for 10 cents or less Id go for it. Assuming #2 copper is around 3$ a lb there and CPUs are 5-6$ a oz there without the IHS. Keep in mind some CPUs have the IHS soldered to the DIE and removing them will damage the die lower the pay grade you might get for the CPUs
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 3, 2023 10:20:03 GMT -5
though selling the copper ihs is interesta4 slineing since lga 775 p4 and e2x00 are going for 30 cents nowadays (prob can get em cheaper in bulk), wonder if the indium solder is worth anything or not its like .5-2oz of #2 copper at best. so thats about 5-25 cents with the price of #2 copper here. if you remove the IHS cleanly you can scrap the CPU and might make a few cents a CPU. If you can get the CPUs in bulk for 10 cents or less Id go for it. Assuming #2 copper is around 3$ a lb there and CPUs are 5-6$ a oz there without the IHS. Keep in mind some CPUs have the IHS soldered to the DIE and removing them will damage the die lower the pay grade you might get for the CPUs Looking at p4 so defo soldered but not really hard to desolder them, i literally delidded mine with a candle so the only annoying part will be getting the indium solder off Btw how much is the indium solder worth? And whats #2 copper?
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Post by austin86 on Feb 3, 2023 12:14:57 GMT -5
its like .5-2oz of #2 copper at best. so thats about 5-25 cents with the price of #2 copper here. if you remove the IHS cleanly you can scrap the CPU and might make a few cents a CPU. If you can get the CPUs in bulk for 10 cents or less Id go for it. Assuming #2 copper is around 3$ a lb there and CPUs are 5-6$ a oz there without the IHS. Keep in mind some CPUs have the IHS soldered to the DIE and removing them will damage the die lower the pay grade you might get for the CPUs Looking at p4 so defo soldered but not really hard to desolder them, i literally delidded mine with a candle so the only annoying part will be getting the indium solder off Btw how much is the indium solder worth? And whats #2 copper? solder would go as lead solder likely so 20-50 cents a lb here. but if you factor in the cost of melting the solder you're at loss... maybe not a loss if you have 1000s of CPUs and baked them in a oven or something.
#2 copper is a lower grade of copper. its plated, painted or coated. Some scrap yards will give number 2 for smaller pieces of copper to.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 4, 2023 1:51:19 GMT -5
Looking at p4 so defo soldered but not really hard to desolder them, i literally delidded mine with a candle so the only annoying part will be getting the indium solder off Btw how much is the indium solder worth? And whats #2 copper? solder would go as lead solder likely so 20-50 cents a lb here. but if you factor in the cost of melting the solder you're at loss... maybe not a loss if you have 1000s of CPUs and baked them in a oven or something.
#2 copper is a lower grade of copper. its plated, painted or coated. Some scrap yards will give number 2 for smaller pieces of copper to.
Welp gonna look at scrapyard prices see what i can get for these dead i3, i5, and a dead e7300 Otherwise ill just resell em Btw i found a giga tg33mh, finally a giga g33, but seller says its an oem board from a nec or something like that and no oc options so gonna have to flash the bios to a g33m ds2r software doesnt seem to be an option unless i can trick it into flashing a g33m ds2r bios and i really just wanna avoid desoldering since i like to play around with different bioses and its gonna be a pain to constantly desolder when i wanna swap bios, also bios test clips are unreliable garbage current idea is just soldering headers right on top of the bios chip itself so i can connect to it via jumpers, basically like a janky spi header of sorts Other idea is converting the thing and its bios chip into DIP format, the chip itself shouldnt be hard just solder the thing on a 5¢ adapter board but the DIP socket is a whole other thing, someone on ltt suggested soldering tiny wires to the dip socket but i wonder if theres a different way cause im not confident in soldering tiny stuff
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 6, 2023 22:37:52 GMT -5
Ok i just checked hwbot out of curiosity for my p8z68 deluxe and the p8z68 pro and yea looking at ram freq theyre only capable of 2200-2300 so yea maybe its really the board thats garbage at clocking rams, even the maximus are trash at clokcing rams aside from the gene
Although the z68 extreme7 seems to fair alot better with hwbot sub of 2880mhz rather than a pitifull 2200 so once i get a display card ill see if just swapping the bios will fix this things terrible ram clocking
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Feb 7, 2023 0:24:02 GMT -5
Sandy bridge isnt really capable of 2400Mhz mems. Good Ivy bridge is capable of 2600Mhz mems 2800 if the chip is golden generally 2400 is what you expect from Ivy 2133 from Sandy.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 7, 2023 4:53:41 GMT -5
Sandy bridge isnt really capable of 2400Mhz mems. Good Ivy bridge is capable of 2600Mhz mems 2800 if the chip is golden generally 2400 is what you expect from Ivy 2133 from Sandy. Guess i really need to move to haswell then but all the boards are stupid expensive and there arent many broken b85/h87 that i can flash to z87 And im pretty sure im boardlimited if i can only do a pitifull 2200, though can i raise the cpus ram oc capability by just shoving more vccsa/io? pentium literally costed 2$ so i dont mind degrading it
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Feb 7, 2023 16:25:37 GMT -5
You just dont listen to advice here is a link to the fastest SPi32m submission on HWBot with a 2600k click on the screenshot and see what his memory speed is then click on the one below the names are over on the right actually the fella in third in on SS so he is not real cold if the chip wont do at least 5.6 on water its rubbish. They are only good to 6Ghz cold hwbot.org/submission/4442268_ogs_superpi___32m_core_i7_2600k_5min_33sec_750ms
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Post by georgekokovinis on Feb 7, 2023 16:38:04 GMT -5
You just dont listen to advice here Ahaha I wonder why he is really here.
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Post by Aleslammer on Feb 8, 2023 7:24:53 GMT -5
Z68 DDR3 top scores, I didn't check to see how they were cooled. Fits with Mac's statement. 1450.05 MHZ MSI Z68A-GD80(B3) 1439.1 MHZ ASROCK Z68 EXTREME7 GEN3 1373.7 MHZ Enermax Revolution85+, only company info on the Bot. 1371.4 MHz ASROCK Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3 1352 MHz ASUS MAXIMUS IV GENE-Z 1301 MHZ MSI Z68MA-ED55 1211.9 MHz ASUS MAXIMUS IV GENE-Z 1200.1 MHz ASROCK Z68 EXTREME4 GEN3
Z97 DDR3 Top scores, All are LN2 RAM/CPU. Are a few air cooled RAM subs in the top 20, didn't check all 20. Easier to search last DDR3 platform. 2310.1 MHz GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-SOC FORCE LN2 2282.8 MHz GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-SOC FORCE LN2 2205 MHz GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-SOC FORCE LN2 2144.4 MHz GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-SOC FORCE LN2 2144.2 MHz GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-SOC FORCE 2142.4 MHz ASUS MAXIMUS VII IMPACT 2131.6 MHz ASUS MAXIMUS VII IMPACT 2131.1 MHz GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-SOC FORCE LN2 2111.6 MHz GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-SOC FORCE LN2 2075.4 MHz GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-SOC FORCE
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Feb 8, 2023 17:01:12 GMT -5
All the top frequency ones would be Ivy Bridge has a much better IMC than Sandy the best DDR3 IMC was Devils Canyon.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 10, 2023 18:39:58 GMT -5
All the top frequency ones would be Ivy Bridge has a much better IMC than Sandy the best DDR3 IMC was Devils Canyon. That means my board is trash not letting me do proper 2800+ ddr3, but im getting a gts 250 tomorrow so i can post into the z68 extreme7 bios while actually being able to see what im doing since asrock bioses post 1st gen core hate my 9500gt and constantly throw d6 error before post finishes Ive also got 2 x58 board deals available to me both giga x58, x58a ud3r and ex58 ud4p. Heard the ex58 boards cant do >105 pcie freq which limits bclk so wondering which one to keep since i regret selling that p6t for so little and i actually want a pc to use and not just resell for once, as long as a minimum of 220 bclk is reachable then any x58 board will be fine for me, currently i only have the money for the x58a ud3r since the other board is part of a bundle, admittedly a very good one since its got an i7 980x which im definitely gonna keep (unless i can sell it for 40$+ which i doubt will happen) so i can clock rams on x58 and being an actually good bin cpu alongside a few rams (8gb, 4gb, 3x1gb) which are pretty much just a safety net since they all work As for the board that im gonna sell imma just sell it at school alongside the 12 or so broken boards i have laying around + my p8z68 and asrock h55 since the teacher for social studies is doing a test where all the students bring stuff to sell and the more you sell the better the score but lets be real here noones gonna get <80 unless they dont sell anything. Why? yea im just flexing at this point, pulled a similar stunt in the 8th grade a year ago bringing a board + cpu + cooler + ram + psu so an essentially working computer that you need to buy a harddrive, but that was a shitty e8200 + p5kpl am so im gonna pull a bigger stunt by bringing 3 working computers and a shit ton of dead mobos, obviously this isnt profit oriented since ill get more $ selling online but i think id rather have more friends since there seems to be alot of ppl in my school interested in computer hardware considering basically anyone that knows me asks me for help with computer problems and stuff, besides shipping 12 dead boards is gonna be a massive pain in the ass. So no im not completely money oriented, i know theres far far more important things in life than money
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 11, 2023 4:28:38 GMT -5
Found an old socket 940 xfx geforce 8200 with 1x2 xtreem dark 1066c5 so problably micron d9 Of course this is the kind where i keep it cause im pretty sure noone gives a shit about socket 940 for dailying and ocers actually interested in this stuff being basically non existant, but the board looks to be pretty good considering it has a postcode on the rear i/o Im just curious if this board is of any significance or not since it looks to be a pretty decent board judging by the postcode on the rear i/o, mainly just interested in the rams anyways since i havent touched d9 yet, just nanya d die, but if these are nanya d die i can atleast complete my 1x3 set. I havent played around with amd stuff and i was planning on doing so anyways albiet not ddr2 since most of those boards have no sell value
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Feb 11, 2023 5:18:55 GMT -5
Thats AM2 not socket 940. Socket 940 had DDR ECC ram The memory is definitely D9
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 11, 2023 8:53:35 GMT -5
Thats AM2 not socket 940. Socket 940 had DDR ECC ram The memory is definitely D9 Oh Well im still interested since micron d9, doubt ill be able to even sell the board so problably just gonna keep it
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 11, 2023 9:39:30 GMT -5
Thats AM2 not socket 940. Socket 940 had DDR ECC ram The memory is definitely D9 Oh Well im still interested since micron d9, doubt ill be able to even sell the board so problably just gonna keep it Well keep the board, crossflash it and brick the bios and try to sell it for 3 bucks sounds like a plan!
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 14, 2023 11:55:14 GMT -5
Got my hands on an h81m-e so predictably i just flashed it to a z87m plus, bclk controls didnt work, does not work with >1333 dram, and all my windows installs hate this cursed config ill try asrock z87 and if that doesnt work either (likely) then ill just find a better h81 or b85 bios to flash on this thing
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Post by austin86 on Feb 14, 2023 12:04:07 GMT -5
View AttachmentGot my hands on an h81m-e so predictably i just flashed it to a z87m plus, bclk controls didnt work, does not work with >1333 dram, and all my windows installs hate this cursed config ill try asrock z87 and if that doesnt work either (likely) then ill just find a better h81 or b85 bios to flash on this thing well at lest you did not brick it
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 14, 2023 12:39:44 GMT -5
View AttachmentGot my hands on an h81m-e so predictably i just flashed it to a z87m plus, bclk controls didnt work, does not work with >1333 dram, and all my windows installs hate this cursed config ill try asrock z87 and if that doesnt work either (likely) then ill just find a better h81 or b85 bios to flash on this thing well at lest you did not brick it Yet....
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Post by austin86 on Feb 14, 2023 12:45:42 GMT -5
well at lest you did not brick it Yet....
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 14, 2023 12:59:25 GMT -5
well at lest you did not brick it Yet.... Technically ive bricked it 3 times already, z87m pro4 no post, h81 gamer no post, b85 pro gamer post but it thinks its corrupted i think you mean kill the board? Only casualty of my bios flashing shenanigans is a g31m vs and it died because i flashed a p5k pro bios on it and tried to screw with the oc settings, at some point just 00 and not even swapping the bios back to stock fixed it. Oh well that was 2$ down the drain and only worth like 6$ tops If only i had a k cpu or g3258 to test oc since the stock h81 bios seems to be based on the z87 bioses but a few settings cut because they straight up dont work, for some reason the stock h81m-e bios allows 1.92v vcore which is just odd alongside other odd settings that are just out of place and basically useless on an h81
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Mar 1, 2023 8:21:58 GMT -5
Welp z68 deluxe dead cause shipping, dont wanna turn on anymore, chipsets now cracked cause retarded heatsink design. Oh well itll be great for salvage or maybe i stick an h61 or b75 chipset on it just for fun
Maybe i should have named this thread bclk oc post westmere since 1155 is rather mundane platform, next interests are now bclking am4 since i can get some cheap untested boards (usually just a matter of dunk in water) with a 10$ x4 950. and bclking non z 100 chipsets (particularly b150 and h170) via flashing asrock z170 bioses on em that had the skyoc feature, any other bioses aside from asrock that allowed bclking non k cpus on z170?
Also got 300$ for getting into the senior high school so got abit more money to play around with but nothing particularly interesting other than maybe screwing around with bga rework on a crappy 858d hot air tool with no preheater and maybe voltmodding cause i can afford the tools now, i may aswell ask if there are any better cheap hot air tools or used ones that i can buy for a reasonable price (<100$), soldering station wise ill just buy some 25$ t12 or 40$ t12x pro thingy
Btw can i build a cheap dice pot? Some point i wanna screw around with subzero so maybe 300$ is enough to build myself a dice pot?
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Mar 1, 2023 19:38:33 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 2, 2023 1:44:51 GMT -5
I've offered the kid free stuff. Refused. Ah well, sent it to someone else. A Dice pot you say? How much Pete, I'll buy one from you.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Mar 2, 2023 2:45:24 GMT -5
I dont want anything for it its the one on the right of the pic in the thread I linked. I thought you had a Trex that would be much better.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 2, 2023 11:56:42 GMT -5
I dont want anything for it its the one on the right of the pic in the thread I linked. I thought you had a Trex that would be much better. I don't need it Pete. No, not a Trex. It's the Venom. Better for LN2. My Dice pot doesn't have quite as much copper however. But seems to work ok. I have no intentions of DICE or LN2 in the near future, though I need to build a water loop before summer hits.
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