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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 27, 2021 15:25:05 GMT -5
So this FX-55. ClawHammer 130nm. Lots of bent pins. Got them just about perfect. Boots up on second attempt, forced restart.
So this thing posts up. Bios is cleared, all looks good. Memory rated CL2, so that's that. Windows, no load.
This damn chip will not run Cas 2 at all. Not even a little bit. lol. I can only get into the winders on Cas 3.
I'm wondering if any of you guys have experienced this at all before??
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 27, 2021 15:31:06 GMT -5
Bios. What version are you running?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 27, 2021 15:44:29 GMT -5
Bios. What version are you running? 6.00 PG 04/06/2006 Looks like a factory non-edited bios. |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 27, 2021 16:44:36 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 27, 2021 17:24:47 GMT -5
406.  Run this one. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Hell yeah thanks! |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 27, 2021 17:31:01 GMT -5
Wait question.
Should I install CL3 memory or swap the cpu before I flash? It does seem fine in bios CL2.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 27, 2021 18:39:38 GMT -5
Whatever is most stable.
You can switch later if you want.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 27, 2021 19:56:52 GMT -5
Will finish up benching 1024m tonight hopefully. Then I'll update the bios.
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Post by Bones on Nov 28, 2021 9:23:42 GMT -5
Scotty/Opty 144/OCZ Platinum/1628.734 <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button>  I'd be happy to take the bait if and once I get things sorted. Got my setup I'm testing for some live streaming and working with that right now, however once that's out of the way I can do whatever. I'm doing the live stream thing because, well.... I'm just bored. |
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Post by PolRoger on Dec 3, 2021 18:23:45 GMT -5
It has been too long... I'm having trouble remembering Jack All about S939!
Frankly, I don't think that even "back in the day" my knowledge base was all that great for this platform. Does anybody here have any good links or sources for OC on S939?
From Scotty's submissions it looks like attaining high bus speed is the way to go. I doubt I'll be putting up much competition but I'm going to give it a try to max out the limited selection of parts that I've got on hand. So is it the motherboard NB chip, the CPU or both that allow for reaching high 300(+) bus speeds?
I have three S939 motherboards an ABIT an ASUS and a DFI. The ABIT can't even reach 275 bus speed. It will boot to BIOS but then it will act weird and do a hard stop while trying to load Windows. With the ASUS I've manged to reach 300 bus speed and The DFI is still packed away in its original box on a shelf. I haven't run it in ~12(+) years.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 3, 2021 18:43:35 GMT -5
It has been too long... I'm having trouble remembering Jack All about S939!
Frankly, I don't think that even "back in the day" my knowledge base was all that great for this platform. Does anybody here have any good links or sources for OC on S939?
From Scotty's submissions it looks like attaining high bus speed is the way to go. I doubt I'll be putting up much competition but I'm going to give it a try to max out the limited selection of parts that I've got on hand. So is it the motherboard NB chip, the CPU or both that allow for reaching high 300(+) bus speeds? I have three S939 motherboards an ABIT an ASUS and a DFI. The ABIT can't even reach 275 bus speed. It will boot to BIOS but then it will act weird and do a hard stop while trying to load Windows. With the ASUS I've manged to reach 300 bus speed and The DFI is still packed away in its original box on a shelf. I haven't run it in ~12(+) years. ABIT: ASUS: Bus speed isn't that important. I use it more to maintain the ram speed and divider that my memory likes. Wprime is mostly about CPU speed. Obviously an unlocked CPU would be easier. I've used both of your boards. They are about equal in performance. The DFI board will kill both of them. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 3, 2021 19:00:40 GMT -5
It has been too long... I'm having trouble remembering Jack All about S939!
Frankly, I don't think that even "back in the day" my knowledge base was all that great for this platform. Does anybody here have any good links or sources for OC on S939?
From Scotty's submissions it looks like attaining high bus speed is the way to go. I doubt I'll be putting up much competition but I'm going to give it a try to max out the limited selection of parts that I've got on hand. So is it the motherboard NB chip, the CPU or both that allow for reaching high 300(+) bus speeds?
I have three S939 motherboards an ABIT an ASUS and a DFI. The ABIT can't even reach 275 bus speed. It will boot to BIOS but then it will act weird and do a hard stop while trying to load Windows. With the ASUS I've manged to reach 300 bus speed and The DFI is still packed away in its original box on a shelf. I haven't run it in ~12(+) years.
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Run the stock cpu divider. Keep memory frequency up. Cas 2 over Cas 3, the rest won't make a huge impact, but tighter is better. For my chips, most don't go over 3ghz. If I chill, that is a different story for most of them. Cooling matters, watch out for cold bugs if you go cold. I've found that I have a couple of chips here that prefer Cas 3 over Cas two and the divider didn't seem to matter. Cpu capability really matters on this platform. I do believe "Cherry Picked" terms came from these old platforms. I figure, buy 2 of each cpu. The last 2 processors had 150mhz difference in clock speed. EDIT: I must also admit, I'm out of practice as F. So take anything I say with a small grain of salt. lol. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 3, 2021 19:31:27 GMT -5
I actually have a question in regards to running the bench off RamDisk. Is this a possible go to thing for better times?
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Post by george on Dec 3, 2021 19:52:55 GMT -5
With my little experience, no. I have a couple of s939 candidates here but not in play now. Nice to see there is still some racing with these.
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Post by PolRoger on Dec 3, 2021 22:00:30 GMT -5
Bus speed isn't that important. I use it more to maintain the ram speed and divider that my memory likes. Wprime is mostly about CPU speed. Obviously an unlocked CPU would be easier. I've used both of your boards. They are about equal in performance. The DFI board will kill both of them.Well, I guess it's time to break out the "killer".  My souvenir LanParty terry cloth wrist bands will give me some additional "OC street cred" and keep my hands dry while I try and figure out all those DFI BIOS setting options.   Edit: I've got the board setup and running using a stock AMD cooler and a Thermaltake fan. Now I just need to mount up my old Swiftech Apogee GT waterblock for some better cooling.  |
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Post by mllrkllr88 on Dec 4, 2021 2:15:00 GMT -5
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 4, 2021 9:31:31 GMT -5
It's about right comparing his speed to mine. |
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Post by mllrkllr88 on Dec 4, 2021 16:56:21 GMT -5
It's about right comparing his speed to mine. Magic effi  Is there any magic in memory timings? With modern Wprime its all about raw frequency, but maybe memory is more influential with the old stuff...?? Socket record...will we break it?  |
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Post by mllrkllr88 on Dec 4, 2021 18:41:02 GMT -5
I tried out my chip on a small SS, any guess what -38c load temp did for me? Attachments:
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Post by Bones on Dec 4, 2021 21:15:33 GMT -5
I tried out my chip on a small SS, any guess what -38c load temp did for me? Killed your system's ability to run a high FSB?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 4, 2021 23:04:21 GMT -5
I tried out my chip on a small SS, any guess what -38c load temp did for me? Killed your system's ability to run a high FSB?
Got to farting around and maxed out at 445mhz FSB. Probably could squeeze more from it. Chipset voltage 1.60v only. Ambient air.   |
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Post by mllrkllr88 on Dec 5, 2021 2:20:28 GMT -5
Killed your system's ability to run a high FSB?
Got to farting around and maxed out at 445mhz FSB. Probably could squeeze more from it. Chipset voltage 1.60v only. Ambient air. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Got the wprime socket gold but only with raw mhz, lol. Some of those old runs are VERY fast for the mhz and my noob effi is clearly terrible. My chip keeps scaling with vcore 1.55+ on SS, but it needs colder temps to go farther. Really curious to see how much more this chip has to give on LN2. Any idea how cold these chips can go? -100c possible?? Lower? |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 5, 2021 3:47:38 GMT -5
Got to farting around and maxed out at 445mhz FSB. Probably could squeeze more from it. Chipset voltage 1.60v only. Ambient air. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Got the wprime socket gold but only with raw mhz, lol. Some of those old runs are VERY fast for the mhz and my noob effi is clearly terrible. My chip keeps scaling with vcore 1.55+ on SS, but it needs colder temps to go farther. Really curious to see how much more this chip has to give on LN2. Any idea how cold these chips can go? -100c possible?? Lower? That I couldn't honestly answer. Haven't tried LN2 on s939 yet. I know 754 was a bare. Had one chip that went good on cold. The rest all bugged out. -5c 0c +5c all in that range mostly. lol. So I went from a pot completely room temp posted with each chip and slowly dipped LN2. So many duds. But you have a really decent FX chip. No reason not to try. |
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Post by dr4g00n on Dec 5, 2021 11:33:21 GMT -5
I'll play later if my Ultra-D or Expert wants to cooperate with me. Edit: So far not so much. :/ Make it work and join the fun!! I know you can get it working, keep at it and let those chips fly  I spent 2hrs yesterday trying to get to the xp install screen, was having all kinds of memory issues with the Ultra-D weirdly, I'll try a full xp iso today instead and see if it get's any further. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 5, 2021 14:49:53 GMT -5
Make it work and join the fun!! I know you can get it working, keep at it and let those chips fly I spent 2hrs yesterday trying to get to the xp install screen, was having all kinds of memory issues with the Ultra-D weirdly, I'll try a full xp iso today instead and see if it get's any further. Just in case, trying to help, I have a couple of chips that absolutely hate running a Cas 2 for whatever reason. That's something you can try, Cas 3. Different dividers too, instead of leaving it default XMP, try the 200 or 166 dividers see if that helps. |
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Post by dr4g00n on Dec 5, 2021 15:13:11 GMT -5
I spent 2hrs yesterday trying to get to the xp install screen, was having all kinds of memory issues with the Ultra-D weirdly, I'll try a full xp iso today instead and see if it get's any further. Just in case, trying to help, I have a couple of chips that absolutely hate running a Cas 2 for whatever reason. That's something you can try, Cas 3. Different dividers too, instead of leaving it default XMP, try the 200 or 166 dividers see if that helps. I got it to work in the end after a third bios flash, now the only problem is installing an OS over usb 1.1 which is impossibly slow. Just ordered a pack of CD-R's for boot CD's but I won't have those for a bit. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 5, 2021 15:18:44 GMT -5
Just in case, trying to help, I have a couple of chips that absolutely hate running a Cas 2 for whatever reason. That's something you can try, Cas 3. Different dividers too, instead of leaving it default XMP, try the 200 or 166 dividers see if that helps. I got it to work in the end after a third bios flash, now the only problem is installing an OS over usb 1.1 which is impossibly slow. Just ordered a pack of CD-R's for boot CD's but I won't have those for a bit. I also install from disk. But usually on the Pata reader/writer. |
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Post by PolRoger on Dec 6, 2021 13:28:57 GMT -5
My DFI board seems to be having some kind of issue with the JP17 jumper that allows DRAM voltages to scale up to ~4.0v?? When I change/enable the JP17 jumper from default/off to "on" I can boot into BIOS and see all the high DRAM voltage options that are now available and I can run with voltages up to 3.2v but if I try to set in the high range: 3.3v(+) and save to BIOS the board will attempt to cycle (POST) with fans spinning etc. but it will then just shut down and it will fail any further POST attempts?? I can either do a complete CMOS clear and then reboot back to BIOS or I can (power off) change the jumper back to the default/off setting (power on) and then it will POST back into BIOS with all BIOS settings saved except for the DRAM voltage which has now been returned to default: 2.5v. I haven't encountered any other issues and the board seems to be running normally otherwise with the JP17 jumper set to the default/off setting. I have a kit of OCZ Gold VX DDR500 that I want to test with but I'm being held back by this 3.2v limitation:  |
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Post by dr4g00n on Dec 6, 2021 15:47:33 GMT -5
Sounds like it's time for a bios re-flash or maybe try a different PSU, I noticed they like to work with some PSU's but not others.
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Post by PolRoger on Dec 6, 2021 18:44:32 GMT -5
OK... Update: I've managed to get my DFI 4.0v DRAM jumper to function properly. I followed Scotty's instructions found here: warp9-systems.proboards.com/post/45639 and did a "hard CMOS reset for DFI boards". I actually did it twice the first time I cleared for ~15 min but the "hard CMOS reset" failed. I did it a second time and cleared for ~90 min. and the hard reset was successful. I also swapped out to a different PSU. I've now tested the board and have successfully booted to BIOS with 3.3v. |
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