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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 24, 2018 18:13:22 GMT -5
Additional Comment:
I was also reading into some XFR stuff. It seems AMD does a lot of bragging, but I don't see it here. From what I have gathered, XFR is used with either motherboard automatic overclocking which also uses windows software to determine an overclock based on temperatures.
Suppose if we had an SS rig to play with, we could see what kind of XFR AMD offers. I really should try throwing this on the geothermal loop, but I cannot get the Asus AISuite to run for me. Installed fine, just doesn't open and no errors either.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 25, 2018 0:56:26 GMT -5
OK Eddie, Try turning off SMT and see how the temps look. Up side = more IPC per core, down side, less threads.... Going to try the 4.350 speed that the cpu naturally boosts up to next. Or just a straight 4.4ghz and hope I can keep under 1.5v
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Post by zila1 on Dec 25, 2018 0:56:48 GMT -5
These really are 4gig chips at the end of the day.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 25, 2018 0:59:44 GMT -5
Oh yea that's ok by me!! Twice as fast as my FX on all levels. 4.3ghz is a good starting OC.....
Some one should start a 4ghz club and I would sticky it very promptly.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 25, 2018 1:26:25 GMT -5
The system responds very differently from 4.1Ghz with SMT vs 4.3Ghz without SMT. Very noticeable. Gosh dang chip is fast...
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Post by Vinster on Dec 25, 2018 3:33:01 GMT -5
The system responds very differently from 4.1Ghz with SMT vs 4.3Ghz without SMT. Very noticeable. Gosh dang chip is fast... better or worst?
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 25, 2018 8:30:38 GMT -5
Better for sure.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 25, 2018 10:52:33 GMT -5
OK it folds faster running 4.3Ghz SMT disabled, so 8 cores. Runs the Cpu at 95% average load and the heat is steady at 67c.
Work unit completion in approximately 4 minutes opposed to 6 minutes with an increase of PPD nearly 10k topping at 41k per day ppd.
Definitely faster even with half the threads....
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Post by zila1 on Dec 25, 2018 13:58:00 GMT -5
Real nice Jon
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 26, 2018 13:10:57 GMT -5
Thanks Eddie. I do try and have fun tweaking....
I've found that cutting the SMT and then cutting some cores, greatly increases the overclocking capability of either my board which is short on VRM packaging, or the Cpu can tolerate the heats better.
Been able to run it as a quad SMT off up to 4500mhz, which is a little under while reference clock remains slightly under 100mhz.
I am doing this all on a full OS which I game and such on, so there's no cheating with services cut and such. I don't think it would make that big of a difference on the HW OC end of things. I cannot get any good luck using software of any kind for this current Ryzen setup.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 27, 2018 21:20:34 GMT -5
On windows 7, 3DMark Vantage does not like all the extra threads. lol. To get the physx test to run I had to put Cpu render physx instead of the gpu in NV control panel. Then it would bog down and hang. with 16 threads so turned off SMT and the bench ran fine. What a pain. lol.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 27, 2018 21:42:14 GMT -5
Jon, you MUST have an exceptional chip there as far as cooling. My neighbor got himself a 2700X from MicroCenter yesterday(paid too much)and I was over there with him for several hours today. His chip at stock with Wraith Prizm cooler is at 84°C during stress tests and starts throttling at all auto settings. I saw the chip auto down clock to 3600. In fact if he runs Cinebench the temps shoot right up to 75-80°C. during Shadow Of The Tomb Raider the temps were in the mid 70s. We tried everything with it and couldn't get the temps down. So I let him borrow one of my aio's and it's now down to 62°C during the exact same stress tests. Sheesh. Mine is the same way. But chips perform great. We find that both our chips perform best when manually clocking them and controlling vcore manually. I saw AMD says max temp of 85°C and we were hitting it and throttling. He's got the X470 Prime Pro and I've got the X370 Prime Pro. Performance of our 2 rigs nearly identical. I like the Wraith Prizm for it's looks more than anything though. Man it looks so sweet on his X470 Prime board.
I like that yours is running so cool.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 27, 2018 23:25:18 GMT -5
I have a couple of things to my advantage though.
A. running naked board on the table B. in the basement, it is finished, but usually a few degrees cooler than upstairs. So on the coldest of nights mid 60s but usually 70f or higher like this evening at 73f. c. removed the stock paste and used the last of my diamond nano thermal compound.
Other than that, you guys should try disabling the SMT and see if that drops ya a good 10c at stock... It does boost single core IPC enough to make it noticeable.
The cooler is large enough to be comparable to other more expensive aftermarket coolers.
If you can keep it under 75c, the cpu will do just fine! I was folding 4300Mhz 8 cores no SMT and reaching a stable running 67c temperature. I did see as high as 72c, but she folded a good 7 hours easily before I switched it up again.
Glad you got his temps down so it doesn't throttle though. That's kinda scary. I never run a burn in within the 1st 24 hours of heat sink installation. Use it and tweak a little yes, but it seems it takes a good day for the paste and heat sink to settle in so to say.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 28, 2018 1:29:23 GMT -5
It's fine now. We put my spare Swiftech H220 and some IC Diamond on there. Luckily I had a spare AM4 bracket for it and the chip now never goes over 62°C when under heavy load. Cinebench runs in the low 50s and now he can take his time shopping for a cooler. He is in 7th heaven with this chip. I'm gonna put custom cooling on mine later on. I'm thinking a dual rad setup........ a front mounted rad and a top mounted rad. My target temp would be 50°C under full load.......we'll see how close I can come to that number with what I have on hand.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 28, 2018 4:08:41 GMT -5
I'm shocked at the very different experiences we are having.
It's only 105w Eddie. Has a higher threshold of 85c. You should be able to keep it cool on air cooling... But hey, water cooling is far superior. You guys should be able to hit 4400Mhz and better!!
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Post by cbjaust on Dec 28, 2018 11:05:31 GMT -5
On windows 7, 3DMark Vantage does not like all the extra threads. lol. To get the physx test to run I had to put Cpu render physx instead of the gpu in NV control panel. Then it would bog down and hang. with 16 threads so turned off SMT and the bench ran fine. What a pain. lol. What sort of numbers are you pulling for the two CPU tests and the overall CPU score with SMT off?
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Post by zila1 on Dec 28, 2018 12:21:23 GMT -5
I'm shocked at the very different experiences we are having. It's only 105w Eddie. Has a higher threshold of 85c. You should be able to keep it cool on air cooling... But hey, water cooling is far superior. You guys should be able to hit 4400Mhz and better!! I know Jon. That's why I'm so impressed with the temps you're getting. All over the net I see guys talking about how hot there 2700Xs run with the stock cooler and you are seeing such nice temps. I'm so happy to see yours is doing so well.
Edit: for higher clocks my chip likes manual voltage with higher LLC. My chips performance is always waaaaay better when manually overclocked and runs much cooler than any auto clocking this chip does. If I do add water it will be for the fun factor. Just to see how far the temps can be brought down with good water cooling. I'm curious what my chip would do if it was THAT cool.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 28, 2018 13:08:22 GMT -5
cbjaust the end score was 32k and some change. Can't remember what the individual tests where. I'd have to run it again later. @zilla We should talk about how you are using this chip vs how you are testing for stability. IBT is a short but very heavy test. Does it tell all? Would 10 hours F@H be a better stability indicator even if it's not using AVX instructions? The last IBT test I performed near the top of the page was only 374.51 seconds long.....
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 28, 2018 15:27:09 GMT -5
On windows 7, 3DMark Vantage does not like all the extra threads. lol. To get the physx test to run I had to put Cpu render physx instead of the gpu in NV control panel. Then it would bog down and hang. with 16 threads so turned off SMT and the bench ran fine. What a pain. lol. What sort of numbers are you pulling for the two CPU tests and the overall CPU score with SMT off? Here's a screen shot.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 28, 2018 15:55:41 GMT -5
Awesomeness!!!
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 28, 2018 16:24:08 GMT -5
You have got something wrong there Jon it must be unstable or something but turning SMT off is killing your CPU scores it should go through Vantage fine. Here is my 1800x and my 7700k look at the CPU scores.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 28, 2018 16:28:34 GMT -5
I tried it stock and at lower P-states. It gives up when the OPS task bar at the bottom pops up just after the warm up. Not sure why.... But I tried a lot of different approaches, it doesn't like SMT on. Nothing I did changed it. However it was a run just to see how the GTX 770 is feeling with a little OC like this next try.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 28, 2018 16:38:08 GMT -5
Try bringing your CPU over clock back to 4200 or 4100 even it should run and will boost your score with SMT on.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 28, 2018 17:22:24 GMT -5
My little honey just loafing:
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 28, 2018 17:56:26 GMT -5
I wish I could get a 1070. That's a mean ass card Eddie.
Pete, you don't like my 8 core scoring? Do I have to run SMT? It won't run 16 threads I keep trying without any luck. Memory stock memory overclocked. 3.2ghz cpu speeds 4.2ghz cpu speeds.... none of it lets it run all threads.
But Alas, I'm not opposed to trying a few more times and see if I can catch the flaw here.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 28, 2018 18:02:50 GMT -5
OK just did reset all defaults in bios. Now I get an error message. Bone stock. Everything is on Auto. And this is the first time I've seen this error also.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 28, 2018 18:05:01 GMT -5
Thank you Jon. I do like this card a lot. I got it for a decent price too. $329.00. Not too shabby. Love my new Ryzen Rig.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 28, 2018 18:07:35 GMT -5
Beats the snot out of mine!! Haha. I sold my GTX Titan 6gb for that much. Should have kept it, but needed the moneys. That's where 75% of my sales go. Grocery money.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 28, 2018 19:38:56 GMT -5
OK just did reset all defaults in bios. Now I get an error message. Bone stock. Everything is on Auto. And this is the first time I've seen this error also. View AttachmentThat is a video driver error.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 28, 2018 19:54:20 GMT -5
OK but why all of a sudden would turning OFF SMT allow me to run this benchmark. I cannot run it with Physx enabled on the GPU either.
So as you fellas can see, I can run it at 4300Mhz with 8 cores, get a score and everything. Turn SMT ON and it all goes to shit.
It will be rather difficult to diagnose without a fresh install of winders.
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