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Post by zila1 on Dec 13, 2018 18:38:36 GMT -5
I've got mine tuned alright on the Prime X-370 Pro but I know there is more to be had from my chip and ram and the only thing holding it all back is the board. I should have gone with a better board and yeah I have to be honest with myself..............I am regretting the choice I made. That being said.........the Prime X-370 Pro IS a good board. I'm just beyond this type of hardware now. Once you've tried the best you just shun the rest.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 13, 2018 19:57:33 GMT -5
Fully understand.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 18, 2018 13:47:34 GMT -5
Jonnie, were you using the stock cooler with that 2700X??
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Post by Vinster on Dec 18, 2018 14:31:51 GMT -5
Once you've tried the best you just shun the rest.
and that's why I like to prefer to buy a top tier GPU's as well... rather be looking at it than looking for it... But does it ever suck in the pocket book...
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 18, 2018 17:01:37 GMT -5
Jonnie, were you using the stock cooler with that 2700X?? I still am using the stock cooler. Works just fine Zila. Right now folding all 16 threads looking at 61.1c It's been leveled out there for a short time, as I got home and the folding was off. Wife closed the browser lol. Why do you ask?
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Post by zila1 on Dec 18, 2018 18:14:23 GMT -5
@jon: Got one on the way(2700X)and I am looking at H80i GT, Swiftech H220, Phanteks PH-TC14PE all with AM4 brackets sitting here in front of me. I've got more coolers than I know what to do with and I was just wondering what the stock one was doing for you. Nice to know it is keeping your chip so cool. I've heard a lot of good things about the cooler included with the 2700X. Some folks have gone as far as to say it may be the very best stock cooler ever. Wow.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 18, 2018 22:23:13 GMT -5
It's a pretty large cooler honestly. Seems to push some good CFM if you can get the Cpu to 60c it'll go full bore. And 60c is not a problem, as I hit that with stock voltage settings (auto).
None of those coolers will do much better to justify spending the money to replace the stock cooler.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 18, 2018 22:30:14 GMT -5
I already own all of those coolers Jonnie so it's not an extra expense for me. It will be fun that's for sure.
Edit: that was my Christmas present to myself. 2700X.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 18, 2018 22:32:46 GMT -5
That's a good gift to get yourself Eddie. You won't regret it!
If you do any extensive testing with your coolers, I'd love to see a thread about it with detailed results!!! If you wouldn't mind of course!!
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 18, 2018 22:39:39 GMT -5
Here's a picture of the stock setup. It's gotta be 50% larger than the Opteron Phenom Heat pipe coolers. Taller, wider and a much larger fan. Plus the lighting is fun too.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 18, 2018 23:20:37 GMT -5
Wow, just look at that sucker.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 18, 2018 23:59:34 GMT -5
Wow, just look at that sucker. Right, that's what I'm getting at. It'll probably do just as well as your other coolers.....
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Post by zila1 on Dec 21, 2018 20:42:36 GMT -5
Okay, it arrived two hours ago and I just now installed it and ran a couple benches. This thing runs hot. The stock cooler ain't enough. Was up in the 80's with the stock cooler and that was just after a couple of minutes Intel Burn Test. Went back to the H80i GT and knocked another 10 to 15 degrees off but I have to put a more serious cooler on this. I haven't tuned the ram yet. It's on DOCP right now. Needs to be tightened up. Have not touched PBO at all. All auto settings in bios except for DOCP. It's fast that's for sure, especially for a setup I have not tuned in at all. It's just doing what it wants right now. Using Windows Balanced Plan. I thnk it draws way too much voltage. It spikes to 1.5 volts. I don't like that at all.
Edit: I've read those spikes like that are normal and AMD designed it that way...............but my old mind is telling that is a BIG spike. What do you guys think??
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 21, 2018 22:32:38 GMT -5
I got mine at stock right now. Folding at 4ghz all cores/threads and running at 54.1c with the stock cooler. Voltage is at 1.384 vdc stock cooler as depicted above. Might give the paste a day to set up or try a different paste. Not sure about heat spikes. If I'm closer to 1.6v, then I'm having an issue with heat. If you want it to hold your OC steady in windows, turn off windows power saving garbage and set to performance mode.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 22, 2018 1:06:59 GMT -5
Well, I couldn't get that sucker cooled to my satisfaction and the Phanteks PH-TC14PE is in use in another rig right now(nice air cooler)so I put the CoolerMaster Glacer 240L in here for now. It's the strongest cooler I've got. I tested just for a few minutes with IBT and it topped out at 65°C at load auto voltage takes it to 1.49v. That being considered it IS much cooler now. You can hear the Blade Master fans cranking away. All cores going over 4300 under load. This thing is a beast. I've seen videos on youtube of guys talking about how the stock cooler just isn't enough for this processor if you leave it to do what it is intended to do. Man, this chip is fun. It wants to dance with me Chicago style.
Edit: Your chip might be a little better than mine Jon. You have yours running cooler. That being said, this chip is making me laugh. It is one powerful beast. This is the best chip I have ever had. I'm having a ball with this thing.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 22, 2018 17:24:11 GMT -5
That's awesome. Glad you got some better temps Eddie. It's important for these chips. I took Pete's suggestion and am actively cooling the VRM package area also. So far I haven't seen any throttling but also have come to understand that my board is basic for overclocking this chip. Seems at a certain point, there's a wall and the cpu needs a good kick in the butt well over 1.5v to see anything over 4.4Ghz. 1.6ish let's say. Well then it needs a nice cool water loop.
Totally a beast. Nothing touches it. Well except a few select Intel chips, but then again, I can sacrifice a few percent here and there. Built a Ryzen 2700X set up for 550$ and Intel can't shake a stick at that. lol. So a really easy way to keep cool but have plenty of clocks is Run straight up 4Ghz. You can run that easily at only 1.35v give or take. I've seen the P-states drop as low as 1.25v 1.23v range at 4ghz. I've got some lower Ambients tonight. 68F and the Cpu folds at 52.3C 1.384v
So here are my P-states. Look at 3.7Ghz at only 1.212v. Won't even run slightly warm lol.
# of P-States 3 P-State FID 0x894 - VID 0x36 (37.00x - 1.212 V) P-State FID 0x880 - VID 0x59 (32.00x - 0.994 V) P-State FID 0xC84 - VID 0x76 (22.00x - 0.812 V)
(CPU-Z about tab, save report TXT open report to see P-states. Must do this with a stock setup.)
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Post by zila1 on Dec 22, 2018 17:30:16 GMT -5
Still testing and tuning Jon but it's looking really good right now. I'm happier than a pig in shit right now. This is the best Christmas present I've had in a long time.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 22, 2018 19:22:40 GMT -5
Mo Betta.....This is more like it. I can go further but I decided I could live with this. It wants more voltage from here. If left to auto settings..........this guy sits at 1.44-1.45 in the bios just idling. Slightest stress on the cores causes voltage spikes in the 1.50 range. It does an auto all core clock of 4300 but it's not efficient at all. It automatically takes all the voltage it wants and gets hot at auto settings. I had to bitch slap it.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 22, 2018 22:53:46 GMT -5
It's funny how it runs so nicely at 4ghz. Nice and cool, low volts.... Looks Good Eddie. See if you can squeeze 4.1ghz from your current settings. It should be stable.
My board will pump a lot of voltage like that if I boost the LLC to extreme settings.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 23, 2018 12:15:45 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 23, 2018 12:26:41 GMT -5
I have no issues setting defaults. Not having the temp and voltage problem you are having, but then again I'm using a 400 series chipset. Not sure if that make any real difference. Looks Like there is another bios update for my board for Athlon compatibility. Still continue to wait for memory compatibility and speed update.... looks like next year maybe....
BaddAss chip though eh Eddie? It's a keeper!
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 23, 2018 18:43:10 GMT -5
Saw you ran Intel Burn test. I dl'ed 2.54 most current to get a better approach to running heavy loads with AVX instructions. I saw a peak of about 75c with the stock cooler. So that's 10c shy of thermal limits with an overclock voltage on auto topped out at 1.392v I visually monitored the test, so it may have bumped higher but no issues @ 4.1ghz.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 23, 2018 21:36:09 GMT -5
I don't think you're using IBT AVX. You're GFLOPS are way too low. You should be in 200's with the AVX version.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 23, 2018 23:00:36 GMT -5
I DL'ed the latest IBT version and set the test to high and ran it. I'm not familiar with using Intel Burn Test with AMD hardware, not that I think it really matters, just not familiar.
So 75c it climaxed to. Should the temp be higher too?
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Post by zila1 on Dec 23, 2018 23:05:10 GMT -5
IBT AVX Here: www49.zippyshare.com/v/M24t7tx1/file.htmlPuts more stress on. Also OCCT Linpack. I use them to test my cooling solutions when I don't want to wait for P95. You want to use about 75% of your ram. I've got 16 gigs so I turn the screws to it at 12 gigs and punch it.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 24, 2018 1:47:15 GMT -5
OCCT I'm familiar with. Would typically run it back to back with Prime95 plus furmark for the GPU.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 24, 2018 13:22:08 GMT -5
Cool.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 24, 2018 15:58:16 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out in my head why your board pumps so much voltage. I can't imagine your chip can't do 4.1ghz stable on as little as 1.395v. Try dropping the memory to stock and apply only cpu oc settings. I've been able to get 1333Mhz stable with high cpu clocks, but I have to loosen the timings a lot. 16-17-17-42 is where I'm at now.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 24, 2018 17:01:59 GMT -5
The way I understand this or at least the way that it has been explained to me is this: The more cooling headroom and resources the 2700X "sees" the more voltage and frequency it adds to auto overclock itself until reaches it's max spec. Because I have such good cooling, a good board and resources that the chip can use is why the volts are up. It is the way this chip was designed. It "thinks". That alone is tripping me out. The more you cool it the faster it goes til it hits it's wall. This thing is amazing.
Edit: and my board is perfectly fine for this chip. With the latest bios it has everything in the bios to make the 2700X fly. And strong vrms too. And apparently, the 2700X "sees" this.
Edit: I watched the cores in Hwinfo64 and it is auto overclocking itself to over 4300MHz on all cores depending on how cool it is at the time. I can't seem to duplicate that overclock manually.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 24, 2018 18:02:36 GMT -5
Looks like your going to have to mess around with the DID a bit. Stock is 8. You can get 4.3ghz from all cores, but it'll take a bit of voltage to do so. While it's doing it's thing, the Max Boost clock for a single thread is 4300mhz, mine does the same thing. If you put windows into performance mode, you'll see your overclock stay to what you put it to. (I'm using W7)
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