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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 24, 2019 18:45:37 GMT -5
Woot. Here we go Rodney. I'll start here and begin the push.
What is the safest voltage for the chipset while heat sinked? I'm only at 1.65v now, doesn't seem like I need more right now, but when will I be able to tell when I do need additional chipset voltage?
edit: crap cannot upload screen shots at this time. I'll type the OC as is for now.
Cpu Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2357.94Mhz 1.85v Memory at 94.3mhz 2.5-2-2-4 with 5:3 ratio. Thought this to be a good starting point. The OS is W7 x32 starter on IDE Western Digital WD800 Caviar drive. Wprime 32m at this speed is 75.015s. I'm about 300mhz cpu speed shy of a decent time lol.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Mar 24, 2019 18:55:19 GMT -5
Couple things Jon.
Never EVER, run anything but 1:1 on socket A. It kills the performance radically.
On the NB voltage.....all of it, all the time. 1.8-2.0v if you have the option. This almost directly controls how much FSB you will get.
Find your XP disk. Everything you do will be on this OS.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 24, 2019 21:59:13 GMT -5
Nb chipset at max 1.75v . all my disks are mia. Loaded up what I could find for now.
So far its good. 172 bus clocks. 2.6ghz. Will not run 174 bus clocks. Am on the stock bios I believe.
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Post by Bones on Mar 25, 2019 2:31:26 GMT -5
Yes that's a stock BIOS and had to load that in to resolve an issue with the old BIOS being corrupt. Was the first file I came across when reflashing the chip and just went with that for the fix, runs well with it I have to say but there are better files out there with better options within. As for tweaks and such Mr. Scott pretty much covered it all with his post. Keep it cool and Burnee should make you happy.
EDIT: Would tell you to drop the CPU multiplier and use some bus speed but but that chip is superlocked - Keep an eye out for a good XP-M. If you do have a chip that's unlocked or a XP-M, 11x is a good place to figure out what the board and RAM you're using can really do.
XP-3200's aren't that bad either as long as you can keep it cool.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 25, 2019 5:54:30 GMT -5
Super locked at 2.6ghz for sure. Lol. Slapped a TEC on it last night. Responds well to frozen. Can run a slightly lower vcore.... But gained no extra clocks. The bios seems very limited to me, but I cant remember the last time I fred up socket A and what board I had used..... That said Im having fun.  thats mostly what I was looking for. I have a small handful of chips. Be going through them one at a time. Do a few runs with the 2400+ and swap out later. |
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Post by Bones on Mar 25, 2019 7:30:25 GMT -5
XP-3200 has 11x as it's stock multiplier so even the superlocked ones can go. For me I've found over time that CPU multi's from 10-12x are ideal for an A in many cases. Of course higher ones will let you clock higher if your chipset tops out and/or the RAM isn't wanting to go either but always keep RAM with a 1:1 ratio as said earlier. With a good XP-M that board has hit 240 or better on the bus before so I know it's good for benching.
Chilled water/ice water is best with proper precautions against condensation and will show what it can really do, having the chipset cooled in the same way just lets it do it's thing. Since you still have cooler temps up your way, for now air is doable but water is clearly best overall.
TCCD RAM with that board is what to look for unless you have a way to give extra voltage to the sticks, in that case BH5 is probrably good too. Not aware of it being picky about RAM so just about anything you run across should work in it. The PSU used makes a difference in what you get, Mr. Scott can tell if what you have now is good for it if need be. One thing to note is the 5+V rail is important to an A concerning a PSU. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 25, 2019 15:32:49 GMT -5
Ok thanks for the tips.
Currently using 256mb x2 Adata sticks. Seem to clock nicely. Had them a little over 400mhz....
Using NV FX5200 right now. Have a nicer card Scotty sent me. Havent plugged it in yet. But I will at some point for sure.
The bios doesnt have a 1:1 ratio. At least not with a 15x and 133 bus clock. Not that Ive seen.
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Post by Bones on Mar 25, 2019 18:31:43 GMT -5
It's probrably shown as 6/6 ratio but just dumb it down and it's still 1:1 in the end.  This arrived today and hopefully will be a nice project too.
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Post by zila1 on Mar 25, 2019 18:53:50 GMT -5
Oh ho ho, now this is real clocking hardware at it's best. Yes, AN7's, NF7's. The memories this brings back. Beautiful boards.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 25, 2019 19:41:46 GMT -5
Nice Rod. Hope it fires up for you!
Will do a little more this evening. Sure 6:6 gotcha. I feel Ive run it at some point trying to get past 2600mhz. I dont think its the board or memory at all. It seems I can run default chipset and memory voltage at 170 clocks..... Just a brick walled processor lol.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Mar 25, 2019 20:16:35 GMT -5
Downclock the multi.
FSB is where it's at on socket A.
You need a modded bios too.
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Post by Bones on Mar 25, 2019 22:47:11 GMT -5
Modded BIOS is a must, just be sure and save the original somewhere before flashing in the new file.
About to head out to setup and test the new NF7 to see if there is any life in it as is.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 25, 2019 22:47:24 GMT -5
What's wrong with the x15 multi? You mean to get my memory speed up at the 1:1 ratio yes? I had it running at 2-2-2-6 1.80v mem. Jacked the NB to 1.70v. Ran the Cpu on the TEC at 2.094v which the reading was taken higher at 2.112v. I have a saved validation file of a max cpu speed this evening at 2733Mhz. I won't know if the file is curropt until I try to submit it. I need to do it soon because they like to update cpu-z a lot so I can't sit on them very long.... I think I need colder temps. Can't run a higher voltage than 2.094. Does maintain a 12c load temp however. But that's just a little to warm to get any higher clocks. It's coming back to me now I think 2733Mhz is pretty good on a stock bios HAAH!! What a blast though. I'm having a great time. Thank you Rodney for the board. Will have to seal this one up. I see it's untapped potentials. I have some eraser at the shop. enough for half way around the socket. I'll grab some more. Burn-ee is gonna freeze I thinks...  |
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Post by Bones on Mar 25, 2019 23:58:45 GMT -5
2733MHz is very good! Bus speed helps an A because the performance of it is greatly affected by RAM speed, I know the chip you're runinng right now is superlocked @ 15x so do what you can. I'll kep an eye out for a good XP-M and if I spot one I'll let you know. Most anything on fleabay nowadays is crap but occasionally a good one pops up but you have to know what to look for by date and stepping. I can't speak for all but any 166/333 MHz chip I've ever had was a dog in OC'ing terms - Either a 133/266 or 200/400 MHz chip is the way to go. The difference is the very last digit on the model namestring with C being for 133, D for 166 and E being for 200.
This NF7 right now is dead, I'm knocking but no one's home.  |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 26, 2019 5:55:23 GMT -5
I haven't tried to lower multi as Scotty suggestes. I didnt see the post until I was done tweaking up the clocks.
May not get to it today. Gonna pull the carb from the el camino tonight after work.
I was really in hopes the board would post up. Its good for parts at least.... NF7 is a nice board. Think I had one before more than 10. Years ago. I know I had a couple with via chipset and they clocked like shit. AN7 will do fine.
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Post by Bones on Mar 26, 2019 7:17:36 GMT -5
I haven't tried to lower multi as Scotty suggestes. I didnt see the post until I was done tweaking up the clocks. May not get to it today. Gonna pull the carb from the el camino tonight after work. I was really in hopes the board would post up. Its good for parts at least.... NF7 is a nice board. Think I had one before more than 10. Years ago. I know I had a couple with via chipset and they clocked like shit. AN7 will do fine. If it's the same chip I saw and tested you can't change the multiplier - It's a superlocked chip.
That's why you'd really need an XP-M to mess around with that setting.
Older chips dated 0339 or older you can change it, any after the 0339 superlock date cannot except for if it's an XP-M chip.
As for this NF7 it ain't done yet, lots to try with it before it goes into the crypt.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 26, 2019 15:48:17 GMT -5
Gotcha. This processor I can't remember if Scotty sent it or it was in the board when I bought it.... But either way, it's a decent chip. I got a few of Scotties Dups here he was kind to send me a while ago. I'm just happy that I can run this socket again. it's what I learnt overclocking on, also s939 too. You guys have seen me along the way with a lot of help. I am forever in debt to you guys...... I put the saved cpu-zs on the thumbstick and will see if I can't submit them before I rip the carb off the truck. Have pictures and screen shots I cannot load up to anywhere because of this dated hardware. I cannot get a single web browser to work besides the IE8 that's packaged with W7. I turn on services at lower clocks to compare my system to others at HWBot and write down the numbers and try my hand at beating a set goal or Personal Record. With this platform, I'm going to need SS, Dice or LN2 to beat yours or scotties scores lol. Honestly not trying, however with this 2400+ I did use your 2.7Ghz as a goal..... after I found your submission at HWBot. Good stuff, I'll be able to out clock you by only a few mhz as it sits right here and I cannot touch even close to your WPrime 32m of 61s while I'm near the same clocks but only achieved 64.5s. you guys put up a heck of a challenge, and also see we are using the same OS to achieve good prime times. Did get the divider running 1:1 and feel confident with it. It did not seem to get me a better WPrime time, but that's not a big deal. One question I do have though..... A water block on the NB? I can't get it past room temp with a heat sink lol. I do have a peltier could probably freeze it easily. Would freezing the chipset be a wise idea? (If I where to Dice or LN2? |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 26, 2019 15:59:57 GMT -5
It did not save the 2733Mhz file. I did get 2708mhz validated instead. When I hit save, the PC restarted and X file was not saved. Bummer. I'll try again another time perhaps. That was with TEC cooling at positive temps ftw. 2.1v valid.x86.fr/g7503h |
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Post by george on Mar 26, 2019 16:49:08 GMT -5
1st thing I do with W7 SP1 is dl firefox and then take down the IE11 offline installer, using firefox. Install IE11. Without IE11, windows7 just will not work nicely, it'll get very sticky as soon as it tries to do something online. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 26, 2019 17:03:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'm even running SP1 honestly.... I'll have to check that out.
FireFox will not install because I cannot view the web page and link to download it....
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Post by Vinster on Mar 26, 2019 21:07:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'm even running SP1 honestly.... I'll have to check that out. FireFox will not install because I cannot view the web page and link to download it....
EDIT: on the FTP link, seems if you go to versions after "/pub/firefox/releases/45.2.0esr/" there is a Zip File for each version. so the FTP utility for pulling an entire folder isn't required. So you have a lot of options there |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Mar 26, 2019 21:20:10 GMT -5
Why not just save your screenshots to a USB stick and upload on your daily runner then you dont need a browser at all I rarely have a browser on XP
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Post by zila1 on Mar 26, 2019 21:40:49 GMT -5
That's what I always did too Pete. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 26, 2019 21:42:58 GMT -5
Why not just save your screenshots to a USB stick and upload on your daily runner then you dont need a browser at all I rarely have a browser on XP My Ryzen rig is not set up. I validated on the HTPC before I stepped out to the garage..... W7 version 6.1 build 7600. Is that SP1? |
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Post by Bones on Mar 26, 2019 23:04:09 GMT -5
Freezing the chipset is overkill, a chipset waterblock is more than sufficient in most cases. I'll also say my 2400 is one of the older (AIUHB0306) unlocked chips, that's why it can run at a different multi than it's stock 15x. Most 2400 T-Breds were good clockers anyway, even better than others like the 2700 of which I have an example of. I've looked around and ATM there isn't anything good on fleabay nor anything cheap that might be and certainly not worth the asking price. Just alot of crappy steppings, dates and beyond highway-robbery prices for them too.
BTW you brought it to my attention I have some points I need to pick up with my 2400 and if CPU-Z will co-operate I'll grab some.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Mar 26, 2019 23:21:56 GMT -5
Right click my computer click properties it will tell you if its service pack 1 if it doesnt it isnt.
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Post by george on Mar 27, 2019 5:32:27 GMT -5
Think you can put both the firefox installer and IE11 installer on an USB stick made on another computer, then run the stick w. installers on the AN7 while it is connected to the net.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 27, 2019 6:00:49 GMT -5
Ok well I tried chrome and Firefox. Both say I need a processor with SSE2 instructions lol....but think I will deal with it the way it is. I can see hwbot and our forum. If I try to like a post here, it just refreshes the page or submit to hwboy does the same lol..
Will have to look later to see if I have a service pack installed, but it didnt take long to install W7 even on the IDE DRIVE from the IDE reader.
Thanks for having a look on ebay Rodney. When I need some more chips, Ill ask around the forums maybe would be best?
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Post by george on Mar 27, 2019 9:07:20 GMT -5
Ouch, yes, totally forgot about the need for SSE2. Firefox v48 was the last that does not need SSE2. Surely downloadable somewhere. Then there is Pale Moon browser also.
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Post by Vinster on Mar 27, 2019 12:40:19 GMT -5
Ouch, yes, totally forgot about the need for SSE2. Firefox v48 was the last that does not need SSE2. Surely downloadable somewhere. Then there is Pale Moon browser also.
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thats mostly what I was looking for. 
