Overclocking the Ryzen 2600

[orl]

So decided to go ahead and put this here or I will end up posting crap in other discussions about my results.  Ive begun the process of testing a R5 2600 which was recently purchased.  Over all this is a very fun chip to play with and I am quite happy with the performance so far.

The system specs.

CPU : AMD Ryzen 5 2600

MB : Asus TUF x470

GPU: Asus RTX2060 6GB

MEM: G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3200

PSU: Enermax Revolution 85+ 1020w

CASE: Be Quiet! 600

FANS: Be Quiet! Silent Wings 3 x 6

RADS : EK 360PE (Push Only)

WBK :  EK EVO/MX Hybrid

PUMP/RES : DDC/AquaComputer Aqualis 150

MON : Dell S2417DG (G-Sync)

(Rest of stuff should go here but im lazy)

I spent a little time reading peoples results like usual when purchasing a new CPU and the vast majority seemed to believe that 1.375vCore was about the threshold to get close to 4.0Ghz on this chip.  So playing the silicon lotto, I decided to bet on black and plugged in 1.35v and 4.1Ghz.  Sure enough it boot right up and didn't even fuss about it under prime 95 with a max temp of 59C after a few hours.  So I decided to begin pushing it further and tweaking settings.  Currently this is what i'm playing with coming up with a 24/7 stable profile limit to save as a fall back.  I left the LLC on for this screen shot so the voltages and temps were a little higher.  This is once again me being lazy and not rebooting to turn it off. 

imgur.com/a/lQmJDFO

As of this point I know it will stabalize at 4.3Ghz but it requires a lot more voltage.  I am exploring the other settings trying to find options that effect stability before pushing past this marker.

Also, note the absolutely ridiculous core speed it has registered for max.

EDIT: I also wanted to note the fans are PWM controlled.  At the peak temp you seen there they are only at about 75% speed.  They are set to max at around 70C.

[orl]

For those with experience on these chips, or those who have just been reading up and seen some gems. Please by all means let me know of additional settings people have seen effect stability on the Ryzen chips.

This is an all new EUFI bios to me and I am still learning the name changes and locations of settings. Tonight I am going to attack my stability at 4.3Ghz+ speeds as my confidence in the cooling system is fully established. Things I would like to see information about are core states and other misc voltage settings that somehow impact the system.

[ShrimpBrime]

Nice chip. Can't wait to see your end results with this 12 threaded chip. You look to have a pretty decent processor that clocks fairly decent. I've seen some only stable at 4.1Ghz so you testing at 4.3ghz is a good thing.

Do you change FID and DID or just input desired multiplier?

OH EDIT:

If your screenshot size is too big like over 1mb, try saving as a GIF and see if it will upload that way. The reduced quality is no big deal, we'll still see it fine.

[orl]

Thanks for the heads up, I have to relearn the best ways to do images in forums again.

Right now I am currently working on a 4.1Ghz "daily driver" type with minimal voltages and very quiet operation to a save as a profile. This way I always have a fall back when something fails and I actually need the computer. I'm currently testing 4.1Ghz@1.37v and its holding stable. Peak temp is at 62C at 20 Minutes in. I'm discovering a few quirks causing me to have to raise the voltage a hair from the initial tests. But some bumps are to be expected. Also going to check the bios version in a moment and see if it needs to be upgraded which might help stability... or hurt.

Temps though are making me very happy, I am definitely not hitting any thermal walls with this unit yet.

[orl]

Question for you and your board ShrimpBrime. Did your board not include a direct vCore setting?

I found it odd that this x470 will only operate in offset mode for manual clocking. I used Ryzen Master to get feels for the chip before diving into the CMOS. Let me tell you, I was a bit shocked by this. Power delivery and now CMOS settings are definitely vastly different moving between the CHV and Sabertooth to this. Most unfortunate honestly, I am also seeing the LLC on this motherboard to be quite aggressive, much much more so than the Sabertooth previously as well. Both can be considered good depending on how its used, but I do like less span between settings.

For example, 1.375v base with LLC high gave me a 1.45v peak under load a bit ago while messing with it. While the average under load is about 1.406v from 1.375. Hoping these are errors or another setting in need of disabling.

[ShrimpBrime]

Correct. I only have Auto and offset positive and negative.

I figure my board is nearly bottom of the barrel for an overclockers board. I got it with a combo that seemed like a sweet deal.... and it actually was.

The LLC on the B450M-A only seems to do well on extreme setting. SO I can expect from that is the input positive voltage increase plus 1%'ish.

I've seen Cpu-Z report under 1v while I'm manually overclocked at 4300Mhz. In fact the last screen shot I left on the board actually shows that. Find it strange, it's very likely that's not possible. But only tends to give strange readouts like this when near idle or minimal usage browsing music videos and such.

[orl]

So I have flashed the motherboard, and honestly I might revert. Its no longer able to hold the overclock it looks. I'm also starting to question if another voltage is holding me back. The chip doesn't seem to respond to the vCore like it did before. I need to go look into the SOC voltages and what they do, right now I am at 1.2v and I for good measure on this boot turned on basic LLC for it. About to test again. I'm a bit stuck, I may have taken to many steps forward with to much confidence.

EDIT: Also, has anyone noticed the Ryzens at Idle have a weird tick in the temps?  Its almost like its timed and shoots up say 10C then goes back down slowly every so many seconds.

[ShrimpBrime]

you should research before over volting SOC. I don't think there's really a need to, however I may be wrong. I haven't messed with mine. Seems fine just using V-core.

[orl]

I have to be honest, to a degree I may disagree with you. I just added LLC to it and its not crashing in prime. However I did not add any voltage (im sure the LLC is though). It appears it wasnt the vcore bottle necking me, something in the IMC was, this is my own fault for trying to clock using the DOCP though. I will back down and test with JEDEC settings at 2133 as well when I get done with this. With the SOC LLC added my thermal peak so far is 66C. Thats with LLC on the vCore driving a 1.4v which I will try and reduce now since there is a possibility the SOC was holding me back for whatever reason.

So much new stuff to play with! This is so different than my FX-8350, its got me hooked brother. At this moment though, I literally just looked up the price of the CHVII... so maybe I should crack open a beer and play a game or something to distract myself from that.

I haven't tried disabling the hyper threading either yet. But since this is just a 6 core unit, I wonder if I should even bother?

[ShrimpBrime]

That just depends on what you want to do playing with it. A lot of guys Shun the idea because it's a "key feature". I find it rewarding on a few different levels. It's brings thermal output down significantly and offers better stability beyond 4300Mhz. So far that's my experience.

Again, not sure. I don't recall reading SOC offered anything beyond memory stability and warnings not to push to much SOC voltage. I however won't stop you lol. Just saying to read up a little bit.

Say here's the 1400 HTPC setup. Can't OC due to the A series chipset, but It spanks my Ryzen 2700X in memory clocks. I have CAS at 16 because I was running a higher frequency.

[ShrimpBrime]

Here's SMT Off. Cinebench R15 at 4375Mhz Cpu temp hit 62.9 stock air cooling. 

Seems to score pretty well for a straight 8. Only gain is 500-600 cb points with SMT enabled, so it seems Ryzen Core with SMT disabled packs a heck of IPC punch in comparison to what you and I ran daily with our FX processors. The highest stable I can get within thermal comfort zone with SMT disabled is 4425Mhz but at 1.5v which would make most people quite uncomfortable. 

In comparison an FX 9590 at 7.5Ghz hits about 1200cb pts. lol. Wow. average FX 8 core CB score was only 800 - 850 cb pts. Just rough figures, but close enough.

[orl]

Understood, I haven't tweaked the memory yet. I'm seeing mostly everyone though who have running -2 latency almost across the board with my set and some + volts. So I expect big improvements there yet to come. Trying to put my memory at the end of the process like before. I typically don't run benchmarks until after I get a few profiles built to test different settings. I might start running some though. I still consider AIDA trash but thats my own agenda, I really dont like true synthetic benches for memory.

I am a pure stability guy, I do not push for numbers that cannot be run in every task day to day. So I don't push for the crazy CB scores that wont hold prime for at least 8 hours.

As for my FX-8350, it wasn't able to push my RTX 2060 which is basically almost a GTX1080, this is a massive difference. I almost could not get my RTX to 100% usage in anything video related even at 5Ghz. This CPU has no issue at all doing so, and is a nice change. ESO for example is almost a static 100% increase in FPS across the board in all situations post tweaks. I will probably play with SMT next.

[ShrimpBrime]

Yea Prime95 Zila likes to use IBT. I use F@H generally institutes many hours to days weeks..... I've gotten in over 2 million points in the last 5 months (more if we count other teams) worth of overclocking using my Ryzen 2700X processor in all types of configurations. 9356 work units completed mostly cpu only. If that's not stable enough for anyone, well I digress then. Don't forget I game and listen to music. Uses almost 35% of 16 cores to do so..... eh yea so... lmao.

I have a GTX 770. I cannot compare Gpu benches to you. You'd kill me. lol. But then Garys Mod with my 7 year old doesn't require a ton of GPU any how...

I think you should turn off SMT once for the heck of it. I personally don't even need it. Fuck most games don't scale past 8 cores.

[orl]

I am pretty confident currently on my "daily driver" settings. Left it running prime over night and it was still rolling along this morning without issue. I'm giving it till the end of today's work shift before turning it off. About 20 hours or so to me is plenty stable, usually I stop at 8 anyways. Wife will check on it for me during the day if I ask. Its got to 66C last night at some point, was back at 59C this morning.

Tonight I am going to hit the memory clocks/timings. Will post any results on where they land. Its a Hynix AFR single rank set, supposedly these things clock and time well. I got someone else's timings off OCN that are going to be attempted right out the gate to see if its a viable start point. Memory is the frustrating part of the overclocking as well all know. I really need to wire a bypass from the pins to a toggle on the back of the case or something before starting it.

[ShrimpBrime]

Not too bad to overclock the memory with Ryzen because the reference clock is pretty much stuck at 100Mhz. So you pick a frequency and tighten timings. With my 1400 after a modern bios update, I set XMP and off it goes. It increases performance a lot for that chip honestly.

Fast and tight, just like AMD always has liked the timings.

[orl]

I may play with adjusting the BLCK settings in the future, but right now I am just going to tweak the memory via multipliers/dividers and timing. I need to know where they perform in timings vs speeds, and can hopefully use the BLCK at the end to kind of capitalize on the unused Mhz inside the range. But that's looking way out. I still have another week or two of post work nights trying new things to increase limits. Though honestly, this silly 2600 screams at 4.1Ghz. Now I am just tweaking for fun.

Shrimp, you may want to look at the Biostar GT8 btw if you decide to upgrade boards. If I had known about it before I bought this one it would be in here. I discovered today its got basically the same power capabilities and ranges as the CHVII and only costs 150 at full MSRP. Some people out there are raving at it. Hell, it may still end up in this system in the future for the next gen Ryzen.

[ShrimpBrime]

If I could.... but can't....

Run 3000 Mhz Cas 15 or tighter. My XMP calls for 1.35v to do so... eek.

[Macsbeach98]

I am interested to see how these Hynix AFR go with Ryzen

[orl]

Feb 21, 2019 21:32:37 GMT -5 Macsbeach98 said:

I am interested to see how these Hynix AFR go with Ryzen

Me too buddy, though Anthem just released and my oldman gaming friends asked me to get it.  So I may not have time this weekend as they will all want to play and hang out like the old days.  I am particularly interested in my results in this specific game, but I am also in no rush.  Trying to savor the flavor of overclocking again. 

[ShrimpBrime]

Curious if you got any new updates and got that new Memory installed and running?

[orl]

Sorry for the delay guys. There was a death in my family and haven't really messed with the PC outside of tinkering on games as a distraction. I will attempt to get back onto this in the near future.

[Macsbeach98]

Sorry to hear that take your time no rush.

[alpi]

I guess those mems will be good for compatibility but Bdie will still the grail. One small info, A2 pcb sticks can be workable with this platform in some cases. Wasn't a two click success but my Rgb Corsairs performing in a nice way in my Cr6. You still should choose A1 pcb ones if You can, but if You already have some A2, it worth to try I think. Awesome how big changes happened in ram compatibility, also never seen anything that reacts to memory performance such crazy way so it was double the important here !

[ShrimpBrime]

OK !! I have been testing 1430Mhz Memory clocks. Takes all of 1.35v and 16-17-17-17-36-52 1T. I did try 16-15-15-15-36-52 and just wasn't gonna have it. Quick benches and idle system, and 16-16-16-16-36-52 hasn't been tested enough, but finally I have some higher clocks yay.

Have not seen noticeable increase in performance over 14-13-13 at 1333Mhz. Most gains noticed (not recorded benches) was with SMT dis-abled, but then the per core performance usually increases a few percent with SMT off and all is fine running 8 cores with this processor.

Finding benchmark scores, particularly cinebench R15, will score slightly under a 2600(x) at roughly 4.1ghz - 4.2ghz. However I have to run at least max boost clocks of 4350Mhz to do it. Full OS with these scores ftw.

[alpi]

Another step on the path of Ryzen ! My eff starts to be pretty acceptable. (such a cpu !! such a complex thing, such an interesting exploration from day to day !! )

[orl]

I will try to hit my memory tonight on the system. Been playing Anthem a lot to enjoy my new GPU a bit.

I am very curious though about my setup versus others. There is something I do not understand at play. I typically see FPS around 70-80 or so in Anthem on Ultra. However almost every post I see on reddit or forums states people with 1080ti or 2080ti units only seeing 30-50 fps at my resolution of 1440P. This obviously is resulting in a lot of banter about optimization and so forth and how bad it is. think Crysis/Metro level griping. Now I tweak the hell out of my OS and system obviously, but its leaving me stumped. Why does this system perform that well when you see so many complaints? Beginning to wonder if there are just a lot more people like me out there and we are only hearing the loud ones who have issues?

Any of you guys playing this one and can test system to compare? I would love to isolate this if it is something unique.

[Vinster]

I unfortunately don't have that game, but my HW is the same/close...(1700x @ 4Ghz, 16GB Ram at 3200Mhx / 14-14-14-34-1T, Asus Strix 1080Ti, 1440P @ 165Hz with G-Sync... Too bad.

and sorry for your loss, I've been going though similar here as well.

Vin

[alpi]

New mem's onboard ! A1 pcb bdie finally, and also finally my favourite ddr4 type, I'm in love till I've seen them. 

[orl]

Woo! Some good looking numbers buddy. Keep it up! I am also working on clocking my memory right now! Hope I have something ironed out by night.

[alpi]

Here You can see some voltages, what I set for first tests. Actually I had to raise soc a bit, because it failed in benchmarks. 1,23 was good for Geek and Cinebench. Those are very cpu dependants but maybe it can be a little help.