|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 3:38:55 GMT -5
Post by alpi on Dec 26, 2016 3:38:55 GMT -5
Sorry for my bad english. :S I mean the 15 year old paste has quite bad contact. So I change it to clu. And even I try on-die cooler with clu between the block and the die. But that was like a death run. I need the last few clocks from my 4000+ ti the competition spi32 stage. Unfortunatelly it will be a death run because my 4000+ died when disassembling the gear. ( I find some pics. You can see how small delta T between min and max after a lot better contact. 15 year is 15 year. It's not thermal paste anymore what can be found under the ihs at this Athlons.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 3:49:24 GMT -5
Post by alpi on Dec 26, 2016 3:49:24 GMT -5
The 4000+ (the right picture) is with Ihs with Clu under. The 3700+ (the middle) is on-die cooler. Without Ihs. The block directly to the core with clu between. See that crazy temperated core ! Nearly no temperature changes between idle and load. Just very risky. :S Good cpus are pretty rare here so I don't want to risk any of them now.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 4:07:56 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 26, 2016 4:07:56 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with your english Alpi. What temp is your water at? The picture in the link to your sub there doesnt look to be any insulation against condensation. You are showing good deltas there. Although I am not a big fan of the Liquid Metal Tims especially with the chips around the core. A lot of us here run them lidless.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 4:15:43 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Dec 26, 2016 4:15:43 GMT -5
Alpi im not sure mate, im sure the other guys here will say something to you, they know better than i do, right now i have a opteron 165 in my venus board, my temp in bios at no load is 12c and im trying to get the maximum mhz.maybe try another paste Alpi
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 4:31:56 GMT -5
Post by alpi on Dec 26, 2016 4:31:56 GMT -5
The pics were just randomly picked up. They are not from one time. The 4000+ was running on water, the 3700+ was on chiller. My chiller can cool the liquid a bit above zero if it's in the room. I used to put it to my balcony. Lowering the temp nearly the exact ammount like the gap between the room and outside. It's an old Boreas Tec cooler. 120w peltier. Ohh those long cold winter nights.. I don't like Clu either till I saw what does it made on my 4790k. It was removed from Athlons after the session but till now the Clu was the one and only thermal conductor thing that I can see better temps with on-die cooling. With other types it was always worse temps without ihs. Or the same in better case. To say the truth it can be hard to find worse material than the 10+ years old paste. One of my 165 Opteron has about 35 degree gap at 3 ghz. :S It's a quite good chip but no way it can reveal any nice thing with that core temps. It was such unbeliveable when the 4000+ gain more than 100 mhz at spi32 only from the better temperation.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 4:35:17 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 26, 2016 4:35:17 GMT -5
Shane his temps are good he is using HW Monitor and its got Min and Max temps so he can see the temps between idle and at load after running the bench he has got a 8 degree delta between between idle and load. The thermal paste he is using is CLU its a liquid metal paste off the top of my head I think its a form of Gallium but its Liquid at room temp and the heat transfer is excellent. I am not a fan of it because its messy and conductive but it is one of the best.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 4:40:15 GMT -5
Post by alpi on Dec 26, 2016 4:40:15 GMT -5
12c ? It's a really cold summer You have, isn't it ? :DDD Opteron 165 is not an easy thing. I really can't find out that the cpu or the board start to struggling at the end. :S I have to spent some time and examine my stuffs at a deeper level I think. :S Just no other cpu needed such clocks before the 165.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 4:44:11 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Dec 26, 2016 4:44:11 GMT -5
Shane his temps are good he is using HW Monitor and its got Min and Max temps so he can see the temps between idle and at load after running the bench he has got a 8 degree delta between between idle and load. The thermal paste he is using is CLU its a liquid metal paste off the top of my head I think its a form of Gallium but its Liquid at room temp and the heat transfer is excellent. I am not a fan of it because its messy and conductive but it is one of the best. ive never heard of CLU to be honest pete
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 4:54:32 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Dec 26, 2016 4:54:32 GMT -5
12c ? It's a really cold summer You have, isn't it ? :DDD Opteron 165 is not an easy thing. I really can't find out that the cpu or the board start to struggling at the end. :S I have to spent some time and examine my stuffs at a deeper level I think. :S Just no other cpu needed such clocks before the 165. no Alpi, now in here ambient temp is 27c, and i have the air conditioning on, i think my cpu is struggling now at 3100 and it doesnt like volts it seems, i tried more but it doesnt like to boot, i have no chipset driver either, this is straight off windows, i lost my drivers when i put the wrong hdd on for new xp install
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 5:08:31 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 26, 2016 5:08:31 GMT -5
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 5:15:04 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Dec 26, 2016 5:15:04 GMT -5
yep yep i know it now, didnt realise CLU was it tho lol, CLU ,(abbreviated) Cool Laboratory Liquid Ultra
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 5:17:24 GMT -5
Post by alpi on Dec 26, 2016 5:17:24 GMT -5
I was slushing away the Clu cost more than those cpus price. :DDD But have a succesfull spi32 run at 100 mhz higher is priceless ! (For everything else, there's MasterCard) :DDD
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 26, 2016 5:31:14 GMT -5
alpi likes this
Post by ozz on Dec 26, 2016 5:31:14 GMT -5
I was slushing away the Clu cost more than those cpus price. :DDD But have a succesfull spi32 run at 100 mhz higher is priceless ! (For everything else, there's MasterCard) :DDD Alpi, alli use now is this, have been for well over 1 yr now, i always used to use arctic MX-4 paste but too expensive, 30 gram tube is $40 here, ive never tried it on anything but air and cold water cooling and it works beautifully and the price is right too, the temperature difference between this and arctic MX-4 is maybe 1- 2 c at the most i have found so far, i thought why pay $40 for 30grams when i can pay $7 and get basically the same cooling performance www.ebay.com.au/itm/30g-Gray-GD900-Thermal-Paste-Grease-CPU-Heatsink-GPU-Conductive-Compound-/262732445269?hash=item3d2c12f655:g:yysAAOSw44BYNprd
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 27, 2016 8:15:08 GMT -5
Post by kotori on Dec 27, 2016 8:15:08 GMT -5
ust arrived the third little princess ! I started to advertise for this boards and so I can buy another one. I'm so happy now ! It was very cheap. About 13 Dollars. The seller didn't realise how rare things are they nowadays. None of my cpus tolerate over 1.65 Volts but it can big differences about it I think. Actually the contact between the ihs and the chip are pretty bad till now. I got near 200 mhz advantage with my 4000+ Athlon in Spi32 with better contact only. The lowering in delta T was amazing ! On the best run it was clu on the core and I press the waterblock of the chiller directly to the chip without ihs. I had 1 digit delta on coretemp!! hwbot.org/submission/3250949_alpi_superpi___32m_athlon_64_4000_(san_diego)_21min_45sec_16msThat was the run. And unfortunatelly I killed that chip under disassembly. I'm going to try some kind of contact upgrade on my Opteron 165 soon. But with with back-mounted ihs now. I have never removed San Diego IHS, Pull 200 mhz At high load looks big difference I wish your Opty make good results and not break.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 27, 2016 15:55:14 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 27, 2016 15:55:14 GMT -5
They are not soldered so easy to do.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 28, 2016 6:14:58 GMT -5
Post by kotori on Dec 28, 2016 6:14:58 GMT -5
They are not soldered so easy to do. I will try, start off with bad chips.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 28, 2016 6:38:27 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Dec 28, 2016 6:38:27 GMT -5
Kotori - san, i f i can do it you can do it easier, start at the corner with the razor blade on a little angle up towards the ihs plate, and go in maybe 3-4mm to cut the seal, if too far in you can cut resistor inside, must be careful the blade angle is up, if down maybe then you cut the pcb, do each corner first then all the sides , you will feel the ihs plate come loose, if you feel the blade is to hard to cut then the angle is too high and you cut into the ihs plate, easy for you my friend im sure
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 28, 2016 7:32:53 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 28, 2016 7:32:53 GMT -5
Yep they have resistors around the chip under the heatspreader so only go in about 4 mm. I am sure you will be right.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 28, 2016 9:30:59 GMT -5
Post by kotori on Dec 28, 2016 9:30:59 GMT -5
Ozzy, Pete-san, yes I put a blade the corner first but rubber is very hard Two corners barely blade got into the gap, but other two corners don't have any gaps at all, Pete-san not so easy. I'm doing careful not break resistors around the core, so it will take time. (I don't want to lose my fingers ) It seems necessary to warm up rubber and soften it by Hot water something.
|
|
|
Post by kotori on Dec 28, 2016 10:55:21 GMT -5
Done! and second one really took about 4 minutes, it was so easy(please forget the my previous post). thank you Ozzy and Pete-san.
|
|
|
Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 28, 2016 16:08:52 GMT -5
You will probably find one of these single sided Razor blades a bit thinner and easier to use. Goog job anyway Kotori-san
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 28, 2016 17:38:23 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Dec 28, 2016 17:38:23 GMT -5
good stuff kotori-san , happy for you, well done
|
|
|
Post by ozz on Dec 29, 2016 3:48:26 GMT -5
kotori - san, it thought maybe for more reference for you for your delids. this is my 3800+ toledo, i just take out of the socket, you can see how close the resistors and the small gold chips are to the ihs plate seal, this is why the razor blade must be held up more to the ihs plate, if you cut in to 1 then the cpu is finished this one is the opteron 146, and i put in the bench rig now, if you look close on the side you can see the gold writing on the right hand side is so very close to the seal , and the resistors closer than in the 3800+ cpu, another example for you to try make sure the razor blade is facing up a little towards the ihs plate,
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 29, 2016 5:56:04 GMT -5
Post by kotori on Dec 29, 2016 5:56:04 GMT -5
Pete-san, I feel a bit scared because I never used that type of razor(Not familiar in Japan) but thinness is very important, thanks for the information. Ozzy, I could see the resistor position with your picture, thanks for many details. I will test nakeds after several benches of s423, here is the Venus thread but I will use Ultra-A.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 29, 2016 6:15:43 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Dec 29, 2016 6:15:43 GMT -5
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 29, 2016 6:41:50 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 29, 2016 6:41:50 GMT -5
$50 Shit I will go to Mitre 10 and buy them cheaply. Let me know if you want them Kotori and I will post you a pack.
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 29, 2016 6:46:33 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Dec 29, 2016 6:46:33 GMT -5
$50 Shit I will go to Mitre 10 and buy them cheaply. Let me know if you want them Kotori and I will post you a pack. not to buy pete , to show him what they were originally used for lol,
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 29, 2016 7:09:14 GMT -5
Post by kotori on Dec 29, 2016 7:09:14 GMT -5
That's vintage premium price? don't worry I can buy such a set cheaply in my country.
|
|
|
Post by ozz on Dec 29, 2016 7:14:54 GMT -5
That's vintage premium price? don't worry I can buy such a set cheaply in my country. yes i thought it would make you laugh, i used to shave with one of these, long ago, your country would have millions of these blades lol
|
|
|
Venus
Dec 29, 2016 11:33:36 GMT -5
Post by alpi on Dec 29, 2016 11:33:36 GMT -5
Was the thermal paste in horrible condition on Your chips too ? I'm really courios about Your expeience. Lowering the temperature delta is the only way to gain clocks sometimes.
|
|