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Post by austin86 on May 22, 2024 13:45:11 GMT -5
I'm in the market for a phenom 2 for my retro gaming PC since I bought a 780a board. I only need two cores and I would like to OC the snot out of it. I'll be using water coolig, I have a 360mm rad in the case with dual pumps and room for anther 240mm and 360mm so cooling is not a problem lol. What chips tend to OC the best? Thanks !
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 22, 2024 16:21:22 GMT -5
500BE series. OC like mad and most will unlock cores
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 22, 2024 19:34:31 GMT -5
Hands down a 1090T or 1100T. It'll be faster than 8 core FX chips all core at stock.
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Post by austin86 on May 22, 2024 20:12:55 GMT -5
500BE series. OC like mad and most will unlock cores thanks! Hands down a 1090T or 1100T. It'll be faster than 8 core FX chips all core at stock. do 6 cores clock better then a dual or quad? |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 22, 2024 20:59:22 GMT -5
500BE series. OC like mad and most will unlock cores thanks! Hands down a 1090T or 1100T. It'll be faster than 8 core FX chips all core at stock. do 6 cores clock better then a dual or quad? 1090T usually OCs pretty well. Less thermal headroom though. Never seen one under 3ghz myself. |
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Post by Bones on May 23, 2024 8:57:24 GMT -5
I'd suggest an x4 960T (Zosma) myself. It's based on the same architecture as a 1090/1100T (Thuban) but runs cooler because of that (At stock), AND can be found cheaper too - Sometimes WAY cheaper vs the price of a full-on 6 core. Like others it's possible to unlock cores with it too, making it probrably the best out of the Phenom II series on terms of cost to get and performace. Now - If going for a 6 core, beware throwing alot of voltage to it because any 6 core can be a mofo to keep cool once you start doing that. Also beware of "Locked"/Non BE versions of this (6 core) chip because they are out there and pop up like clockwork on fleabay, presented as if it's BE chip when it's not. If you're not paying attention to the listing when you read it, you may wind up with one of those BUT if it's OK by you, then knock yourself out with one of those instead. Best overall for the money and performance in order are: 1: Phenom II x6 1090T/1100T BE (Thuban) 2: Phenom II x4 960T BE (Zosma) 3: 500 Series x2 Phenom II BE (Callisto) 4: Phenom II x4 Deneb BE, preferably the highest model of these you can get but most any are fine. 5: Phenom II x3 (Heka) BE series (Some can unlock the 4th core) 6: Any non-BE variant of the above Good luck and happy hunting.  |
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Post by austin86 on May 23, 2024 9:39:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the info bones, I'm after what ever will clock the best as I'll never use more then 2 cores in this PC.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 23, 2024 10:23:48 GMT -5
I don't think price to performance is an issue in 2024. Saw a 1100T for a whopping 27 dollars on ebay..... turn cores off, but probably clock the same as any 25 dollar dual core, if you can find one that cheap.
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 23, 2024 11:11:47 GMT -5
I see 550 BE's for under 10 bucks on ebay right now.
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Post by austin86 on May 23, 2024 11:45:03 GMT -5
I don't think price to performance is an issue in 2024. Saw a 1100T for a whopping 27 dollars on ebay..... turn cores off, but probably clock the same as any 25 dollar dual core, if you can find one that cheap. you are right, I could not care about price at all, just what ever would likely clock the best. I see 550 BE's for under 10 bucks on ebay right now. I did pick up a 560be for about 10$. I was going to give it a try. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 23, 2024 11:54:37 GMT -5
I don't think price to performance is an issue in 2024. Saw a 1100T for a whopping 27 dollars on ebay..... turn cores off, but probably clock the same as any 25 dollar dual core, if you can find one that cheap. you are right, I could not care about price at all, just what ever would likely clock the best. I see 550 BE's for under 10 bucks on ebay right now. I did pick up a 560be for about 10$. I was going to give it a try. Well, I had a 565BE that did 4.4ghz stable. Unlocked to a quad. Then I broke it and it then only unlocked to a 3 core. Then sent to Scotty. And he did well benching 4.5 and 4.6ghz if I remember correctly. Under LN2, had a 980BE quad that smashed in a 6400mhz validation (roughly). They like it cool/cold. Period. Most of them are 4ghz and up chips without issues. Basically, dual core has the best thermal headroom. AMD stepping B3 or C3. Just be sure the cpu isn't a 2 stepping and you'll be only at the limit to your cooling. GL! |
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Post by austin86 on May 23, 2024 12:09:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! from the PN the chip I got it looks like its a c3 so I should be good there. cooling is no problem ether, I'll likely have dual d5's, dual 360s and a 240 and a high end block with top end pate.
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Post by Bones on May 23, 2024 12:11:46 GMT -5
I don't think price to performance is an issue in 2024. Saw a 1100T for a whopping 27 dollars on ebay..... turn cores off, but probably clock the same as any 25 dollar dual core, if you can find one that cheap. you are right, I could not care about price at all, just what ever would likely clock the best. I see 550 BE's for under 10 bucks on ebay right now. . I was going to give it a try. Based on your criteria, that should do it with ease. Again, based on your particular criteria: Only thing that makes me say an x4 Zosma (960T) would be something to consider is the IMC of those tends to be best out of all Phenom II chips since it's based on Thuban architecture - It's really just a Thuban x6 chip with 2 cores disabled. Disable whatever cores you want, crank up the RAM and NB speeds - You're good to go. I also like that these are typically found rather cheap too. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 23, 2024 13:08:46 GMT -5
you are right, I could not care about price at all, just what ever would likely clock the best. I did pick up a 560be for about 10$. I was going to give it a try. Based on your criteria, that should do it with ease. Again, based on your particular criteria: Only thing that makes me say an x4 Zosma (960T) would be something to consider is the IMC of those tends to be best out of all Phenom II chips since it's based on Thuban architecture - It's really just a Thuban x6 chip with 2 cores disabled. Disable whatever cores you want, crank up the RAM and NB speeds - You're good to go. I also like that these are typically found rather cheap too. Cause Phenom II is slow compared to what Intel had at the time. So they're cheap. 3700K is miles ahead comparing 2012 platforms. |
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Post by Bones on May 23, 2024 13:16:49 GMT -5
Anything AMD of that time period is slow in comparison to what Inhel was selling, that's just how it is.
Really need to get my OCF fixed one day so I can start running my 3700K again.
That's a job for a rainy day to come.
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Post by austin86 on May 23, 2024 13:47:45 GMT -5
hmm I thought the phenom 2 was a few years older then the 3770k and went up against the core2 and x58?
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Post by Bones on May 23, 2024 17:10:57 GMT -5
hmm I thought the phenom 2 was a few years older then the 3770k and went up against the core2 and x58? Yes it is older than something from 2012, from somewhere in (Late?) 2009 until AM3+ itself was introduced. |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 23, 2024 17:24:40 GMT -5
If you are going to get a 1100T make sure the VRM of this board is up to it.
790x boards a few of them dont like the powerdraw of the hexcore even though the support list says they are compatible.
If it was me I would of gotten a AM2NF3-250 they go alright benching AGP but I prefer the 4coreSata2 with a QX9650
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Post by cbjaust on May 23, 2024 22:46:49 GMT -5
Does the nVdia chipset even do core unlocking? Which board do you have?
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Post by MachineLearning on May 23, 2024 23:39:13 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 24, 2024 0:52:37 GMT -5
You just can't buy a cheap board for any platform and have satisfaction. 980BE on 990 chipset, Gigabyte UD7. Air cooled, probably an opteron cooler with a delta slapped on it.... fuck, that feels like a long time ago sometimes. Thanks Mr.Scott 》  |
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Post by austin86 on May 24, 2024 8:10:33 GMT -5
If you are going to get a 1100T make sure the VRM of this board is up to it. 790x boards a few of them dont like the powerdraw of the hexcore even though the support list says they are compatible. If it was me I would of gotten a AM2NF3-250 they go alright benching AGP but I prefer the 4coreSata2 with a QX9650 hmm. TBH if I get a 6 core I would likely shut off all but 2 cores to save power, this is for a retro gaming pc and not a bench setup, but I would like to get a am2nf some day once folks stop asking stupid money for them. Does the nVdia chipset even do core unlocking? Which board do you have? IDK too, but its not something I'm really looking to do, but I can poke aroudn in the bios and see |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 24, 2024 13:08:56 GMT -5
If you are going to get a 1100T make sure the VRM of this board is up to it. 790x boards a few of them dont like the powerdraw of the hexcore even though the support list says they are compatible. If it was me I would of gotten a AM2NF3-250 they go alright benching AGP but I prefer the 4coreSata2 with a QX9650 hmm. TBH if I get a 6 core I would likely shut off all but 2 cores to save power, this is for a retro gaming pc and not a bench setup, but I would like to get a am2nf some day once folks stop asking stupid money for them. Does the nVdia chipset even do core unlocking? Which board do you have? IDK too, but its not something I'm really looking to do, but I can poke aroudn in the bios and see I do not agree this is a wise choice for a retro rig. Unlocking cores, some chips completely unstable when occurred. Just because we bench and unlock, does not mean gaming stability. It was an era of quad cores. Not sure why you need a dual core here. DDR3, Intel 2700K and up will be faster at stock. Forget the core count at this point. |
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Post by austin86 on May 25, 2024 11:59:12 GMT -5
I"m mostly playing older games that do not have support for more then 2 cores.
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 25, 2024 13:06:32 GMT -5
Run that 560BE. You'll be fine.
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Post by austin86 on May 26, 2024 7:38:38 GMT -5
until I mod fallout 3 lol. yeah i probably will be fine with it
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Post by Bones on May 27, 2024 6:27:05 GMT -5
A 560BE chip should get it done no problem.
Enjoy it.
If wanting something later (For whatever reason) I still suggest a Zosma chip due to it's better IMC and remember you can always disable whatever cores you need to but you won't lose any of it's IMC performance capability when you do.
Doesn't matter if it unlocks the other 2 cores or not, it's still a great chip for AM3 and those are good clockers overall - 4.0 or better, no sweat while running cool too.
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