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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 2, 2022 1:42:44 GMT -5
Dang you guys and your inspirational words and awesome old rigs. Okay so if you crick your head to the side (seriously, getting tired of pictures doing this lol, not just here). We have the above mentioned board for Socket 7. Now I have to source a case for that beast, so been searching recyclers, PC shops, and thrift stores to see if I can source a beige box in decent shape. Don't care if it needs paint since I still have beige paint, so that's a plus. But I'm not putting this beautiful Gigabyte Skt 7 in this beat up Russian box that looks like it was dropped out of the boat while crossing overseas and hit with the turbine. And an ebay find, a buddy bought this for me because he inflicted massive amounts of salt buying one of these out from under me a few weeks ago. Asus A8R32 MVP Deluxe (that BADLY needs a recap). Paired with an FX-60 that I don't get to keep (buddy wanted that). Zalman CNPS 9500 (buddy wants too, fine I have 2 already). 4x1GB Corsair XMS DDR400 CAS2 that I do get to keep, and the last PCIe GPU I was missing from my collection, an X1900. Not going to lie, I was wanting the X1950XTX, but this is close enough and the fact it was free from a buddy, even better. The motherboard, I'm intended on swapping my A8N SLI Premium out of my "daily driver" retro rig once it works so I can run HD5770 crossfire on it (hopefully). My NF4 boards won't take HD5000 cards in the top slot at all. Haven't tested anything yet, but there is a time frame on the FX-60, buddy wants that tested and sent to him ASAP since he bought the setup for me. I'm not sure if I dare try to fix the board myself or not, never done it. But could be a good opportunity to try now that I have a good iron. Is that all that's required to do a recap, a good iron? Do I need to take any steps? Sigh. I'm gonna have to blow up Bones or something on discord one of these days......
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 2, 2022 1:51:05 GMT -5
Not related at ALL to the builds, but this was my thrift find today. See....this is why I can't find nice vintage equipment, these dang thrift stores keep getting all my money! -_- (Total haul was less than $20 though, so I can't complain....was actually JUST in there for an alarm clock lol) Alarm Clock - $8.99 Thrustmaster - $6.99 CD's - $0.99 ea package I did check, they never carry computers lol. They do sometimes have monitors though, scored an old 4:3 Dell 1280x1024 LCD a month or two back for like $12.99 I think it was. I usually check for speakers I don't need, general electronics I don't need, hoping to find a CRT monitor, hoping for an old beige box, and sometimes they have boxed PC games I can snatch up for $2 ea.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 5, 2022 0:41:22 GMT -5
After reading up on recapping boards, I'm a little bit scared now to attempt it on this A8R32-MVP Deluxe. -_- If it were a board I didn't care too much about, like my busted Biostar 780G, fine I'd try it. The ASRock 890FX I blew up, fine I'd try that. The A8R32 though, 32 laned crossfire 939 boards are hard to find. Ugh. I still need to send these GPU's out to get repaired too (re-greased / padded), because I lack the capacity to remove stripped bolts without damaging the PCB. I really need a bigger work space so I can get more tools LOL. So yeah, not sure what I'm going to be doing the next few months yet. I've put feelers out at every PC shop in town for beige cases, put up some craigslist ads, and I'm scouring ebay for something that's a good deal. Can't afford much at the moment due to holidays, so not really in a rush till after Christmas anyway. Just yeah, random musings I guess. I'm still trying to figure all of this out and get everything working right. I do still need to take inventory too, but kinda no point with the budget blown till new year anyway (if I'm honest about it to myself). I know I have the motherboards to finish everything other than the above A8R32-MVP (which I have a board in that setup anyway, just no crossfire). I know I MIGHT be missing up to 3 CPU's maybe, MAYBE (I have them, but they're not the "right" ones). I know I'm missing drives for the older Socket 7's, and maybe the Socket A or 754? And the cases, 2 beige cases. Honestly the list isn't much. Once the holidays are over it'll be easy to do a rig per month and finish them by April. Oh, also apparently I've hit the upload capacity at the other forum I was posting this at. Soooooo, yeah you guys might be getting exclusive images from now on! Not that its not anything you guys haven't seen already before though. /rant
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 5, 2022 1:29:18 GMT -5
Work space is nice to have. Wish I had more too. But yes, your eye candy gets many views!!
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Post by Bones on Nov 6, 2022 21:03:01 GMT -5
After reading up on recapping boards, I'm a little bit scared now to attempt it on this A8R32-MVP Deluxe. -_- If it were a board I didn't care too much about, like my busted Biostar 780G, fine I'd try it. The ASRock 890FX I blew up, fine I'd try that. The A8R32 though, 32 laned crossfire 939 boards are hard to find. Ugh. I still need to send these GPU's out to get repaired too (re-greased / padded), because I lack the capacity to remove stripped bolts without damaging the PCB. I really need a bigger work space so I can get more tools LOL. So yeah, not sure what I'm going to be doing the next few months yet. I've put feelers out at every PC shop in town for beige cases, put up some craigslist ads, and I'm scouring ebay for something that's a good deal. Can't afford much at the moment due to holidays, so not really in a rush till after Christmas anyway. Just yeah, random musings I guess. I'm still trying to figure all of this out and get everything working right. I do still need to take inventory too, but kinda no point with the budget blown till new year anyway (if I'm honest about it to myself). I know I have the motherboards to finish everything other than the above A8R32-MVP (which I have a board in that setup anyway, just no crossfire). I know I MIGHT be missing up to 3 CPU's maybe, MAYBE (I have them, but they're not the "right" ones). I know I'm missing drives for the older Socket 7's, and maybe the Socket A or 754? And the cases, 2 beige cases. Honestly the list isn't much. Once the holidays are over it'll be easy to do a rig per month and finish them by April. Oh, also apparently I've hit the upload capacity at the other forum I was posting this at. Soooooo, yeah you guys might be getting exclusive images from now on! Not that its not anything you guys haven't seen already before though. /rant You can do it, just practice on a few dead boards to get the hang of it before moving on to a real patient. Always use a bit of flux before soldering the parts together and do a wiggle test to check if the legs are soldered properly once you have the cap in. Then take your finger and lay it on the tips of the cap's legs and try to wiggle it/move it. If you note ANY amount of movement/wiggle from the cap's legs (And I mean any), hit it again with a spot of flux and solder and keep doing this until it passes the wiggle test - Which shoudn't take alot to get done. It should have a really solid feel when you go to wiggle it, as if it's part of the board without the cap having to be soldered to it. Best kind of wiggle test is to see if the legs will "March", as in up and down while soldered in the holes - If they do, you'll need to hit them again.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 6, 2022 21:16:45 GMT -5
After reading up on recapping boards, I'm a little bit scared now to attempt it on this A8R32-MVP Deluxe. -_- If it were a board I didn't care too much about, like my busted Biostar 780G, fine I'd try it. The ASRock 890FX I blew up, fine I'd try that. The A8R32 though, 32 laned crossfire 939 boards are hard to find. Ugh. I still need to send these GPU's out to get repaired too (re-greased / padded), because I lack the capacity to remove stripped bolts without damaging the PCB. I really need a bigger work space so I can get more tools LOL. So yeah, not sure what I'm going to be doing the next few months yet. I've put feelers out at every PC shop in town for beige cases, put up some craigslist ads, and I'm scouring ebay for something that's a good deal. Can't afford much at the moment due to holidays, so not really in a rush till after Christmas anyway. Just yeah, random musings I guess. I'm still trying to figure all of this out and get everything working right. I do still need to take inventory too, but kinda no point with the budget blown till new year anyway (if I'm honest about it to myself). I know I have the motherboards to finish everything other than the above A8R32-MVP (which I have a board in that setup anyway, just no crossfire). I know I MIGHT be missing up to 3 CPU's maybe, MAYBE (I have them, but they're not the "right" ones). I know I'm missing drives for the older Socket 7's, and maybe the Socket A or 754? And the cases, 2 beige cases. Honestly the list isn't much. Once the holidays are over it'll be easy to do a rig per month and finish them by April. Oh, also apparently I've hit the upload capacity at the other forum I was posting this at. Soooooo, yeah you guys might be getting exclusive images from now on! Not that its not anything you guys haven't seen already before though. /rant You can do it, just practice on a few dead boards to get the hang of it before moving on to a real patient. Always use a bit of flux before soldering the parts together and do a wiggle test to check if the legs are soldered properly once you have the cap in. Then take your finger and lay it on the tips of the cap's legs and try to wiggle it/move it. If you note ANY amount of movement/wiggle from the cap's legs (And I mean any), hit it again with a spot of flux and solder and keep doing this until it passes the wiggle test - Which shoudn't take alot to get done. It should have a really solid feel when you go to wiggle it, as if it's part of the board without the cap having to be soldered to it. Best kind of wiggle test is to see if the legs will "March", as in up and down while soldered in the holes - If they do, you'll need to hit them again. If I do this at all, I'll have to buy a heat gun and a couple more dead boards to test on I suppose. :/ I mean I could test it on the 780G Biostar, but I can't verify if it works when I'm done, the VRM's melted on that one. I can't test functionality on the 890FX either, as that one the Southbridge chip is busted. So yeah, I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for a few boards that NEED a recap, or something cheap that I can just recap anyway that I don't care about or something. Ugh. I thought it was going to be as easy as hitting it with the iron, pulling the dead cap out, and dropping the new cap in, and adding a little glob of solder if needed to ensure a good connection. Talking flux and heat guns and stuff.....yeah I've never done that before. So yeah, I guess the A8R32-MVP Deluxe will sit on the shelf for a while until I can get some boards to play with first. Since that's not a priority, I guess it'll sit for a while hahaha. I have the Socket 754, later Socket A, and Socket 7 (possibly 2) that I still have to complete that I actually care about, and those all work. The A8R32 is just so I can have Crossfire in an already fully done build. It is a really neat and rare board though, kinda the only reason I bought it (well kinda bought lol).
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Post by Bones on Nov 7, 2022 15:41:17 GMT -5
Need to clarify something here: Fingers on the cap's leg tips are just there to feel if any movement takes place while you try to wiggle/move it with your other hand after it's been soldered and that's all. Don't try to push on the cap legs themselves for this kind of testing/checking.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 7, 2022 20:46:10 GMT -5
Well....until 2023, there's not much I can do about the A8R32-MVP Deluxe, so it'll go on the shelf for now. Testing the FX-60 that came with it now, and the X1900. So far, its installing Windows 7 fine at stock settings in my A8N32-SLI Deluxe. I'll try a few OC runs on it before I call it good, my buddy that the FX is going to wanted me to torture it (within reason) a little to see what I could get out of it, so he knows about what to expect out of it. The rest of the builds are on hold till 2023 due to funds and the GPU's not functioning yet anyway. Honestly, since I lack boards to test on, that A8R32-MVP might just be a wall piece. I don't see myself buying dead boards for $50-$100 each just to practice soldering on. I could certainly use a heat gun, so that'll be in my shopping list. But yeah, buying dead boards, ebay is ridiculously overpriced right now. -_- Either way....the projects go on! I'm fine with the A8N SLI Premium that's in my Chieftec Dragon as is with a single HD5770.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 7, 2022 23:34:19 GMT -5
No a heatgun to replace caps that wont do it. Heatguns are for surface mount components. You want a 80+ watt soldering iron with a 5/16 round bevelled tip and solder wick. Let the iron heat up for 5 mins to get to full temperature then use the wick and put it against the cap leg and it will have enough heat to melt the solder and pull it from the hole. Small irons dont have enough heat in the tip and cant melt the solder properly. I use a iron like this.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 7, 2022 23:41:49 GMT -5
No a heatgun to replace caps that wont do it. Heatguns are for surface mount components. You want a 80+ watt soldering iron with a 5/16 round bevelled tip and solder wick. Let the iron heat up for 5 mins to get to full temperature then use the wick and put it against the cap leg and it will have enough heat to melt the solder and pull it from the hole. Small irons dont have enough heat in the tip and cant melt the solder properly. I use a iron like this. I have a really nice Weller iron with adjustable temp. I was under the impression the heat gun / heat wand was to preheat the area around the cap to make it easier for the soldering.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 7, 2022 23:55:55 GMT -5
If on the cap side of the board there is a big ground plane or a big VCC plane heat runs away in those large copper planes especially if they are on the opposite side of the board you are heating you will need to heat the board up to more than 220c not really advisable you are probably going to see the board start to delaminate. The reason I use that iron is the tip is 5/16" inch round it has a lot of heat at the end of it that is the main trick to it. I also use that iron to attach copper plates to cards for Epowers
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 8, 2022 12:43:15 GMT -5
I'm going to keep my eyes peeled on ebay for some other boards to test on before I dig into the A8R32. Maybe I'll score an NF4 Socket 754 that's dead, that MAYBE I can bring to life, and if not no big deal or something. Was searching yesterday, and yeah ooof. $60+ shipping for one of those bad boys (I only found the one on ebay). If I'm going to be buying more boards, dead or not, they can at least be boards I'd care to own again. Going to shoot for ones I don't care too much though if they end up fully dead though, like the NF4 754, I already have a minty AGP Via board that's garbage...but works that I was intending on using. Could search for more 939 boards too, I have plenty of those. Socket A boards......ehhhhh, I don't have quite enough of those yet, I'd want to hoard more and care too much. So yeah, Socket 754 and 939 I'll probably hunt down a few that need caps to practice on. Need to wait to find a proper deal though, this $50+ for dead boards is getting annoying and I can't afford to keep putting that much out there for dead boards. Also, not related to board repairs, but is there a driver database somewhere for old GPU's? I'm having brain farts trying to re-download the modded ones for X1900's and X800's. Wondering if that's why my X1900 I was trying last night wasn't working. It did the same thing literally every AGP card I have does, locks up under any sort of a load. It can't be coincidence that EVERY dang card I have does that older than the HD4850. Granted I haven't really tested the HD3870 much, but the 2900XT does it too though. HD2900, X1950Pro, X1900, X850Pro, 9800XT, and Radeon 7500 all do it. That's too many cards to be coincidence considering not a single one of them shows actual signs of problems other than locking up under loads. I was able to get the Radeon 7500 to NOT lock up during the hwbot team cup, but I forgot what driver it was I used. -_- I'd LIKE to try to find, and archive locally, the best modded drivers for all of these cards that are considered "legacy", whatever my newest one would be and older.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 8, 2022 18:43:51 GMT -5
X1900 and 2900XT Catalyst 10.2 Legacy. Radeon drivers come in 3 distinct varieties. AGP Pre 5000 5000 later.
I have benched everything you have listed there before I can upload all the drivers I have if you want. AGP and Pre 5000.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 9, 2022 0:29:24 GMT -5
X1900 and 2900XT Catalyst 10.2 Legacy. Radeon drivers come in 3 distinct varieties. AGP Pre 5000 5000 later. I have benched everything you have listed there before I can upload all the drivers I have if you want. AGP and Pre 5000. It just seems like the "official" ones off the AMD website are broken or something. I can't put my finger on exactly what's causing the lock ups, I almost want to say when the VRAM gets full it locks up? I don't know, but all of my older cards so far do it. The AGP ones all overheat too, that's not helping things any.....which is why they're not installed yet.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 9, 2022 15:21:14 GMT -5
Well.....when it rains, it pours. My main rig / fastest rig died yesterday out of the blue. Not entirely sure yet what's causing it, was the weirdest thing......
ROG Strix B550-i Gaming 5800x 6900XT 2x16GB Mushkin Redline Blacks DDR4-4000 @ 3800, 16-17-16-32-1T, 1.45v
It started off yesterday morning. Tried turning it on, and it was refusing to get past POST screen, just a weird lockup with the ROG Strix logo on screen. Cleared CMOS, and it'd allow me into BIOS, change everything back, and it'd then reboot and work. Still had issues, lockups, and on reboot....same problem, wouldn't get past POST. Then it started refusing to get past POST even with a clear CMOS. Replaced RAM out for some Crucial Ballistix I had laying around (2x8GB DDR4-3200 but whatever). Rig started working again. Used it for 30-60 minutes or so, went and took a nap. Came back from nap, and it was frozen again. Okay...hard reset. Still POST's fine. But now its constantly locking up. Started doing it after a few minutes, now it does it immediately on Windows load. I noticed too, inside of task manager, my C: drive and E: drive are both missing, but my D: drive is still there.....when the lockups occur.
The lockups, are the oddest thing too. It's not 100% frozen, its just nothing wants to actually work. Mouse still moves, SOME things are still updating in the background, but yeah. It's acting as if drives are randomly disappearing or something. I don't quite get WHY its doing this out of the blue like this.
Once I have time to sit down and check things out, I think I'm going to pull my NVME drives out of RAID, and try Windows on a single SSD with my RAID'ed hard drives (never had a problem before that way). If that doesn't work, maybe try a UBCD check on the HDD's or something. I don't know. Never had issues quite like this pop up before.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 12, 2022 0:34:03 GMT -5
Update kinda..... Got the main rig figured out. RAM was fine. HDD's were fine. Everything was fine.....it was a bad stupid freaking SATA cable. -_- Somehow, THAT was causing even my RAM to appear to be bad (since swapping RAM made it POST). Anyway, its back with my Mushkin DDR4-4000 kit, swapped drives out anyway just to be sure. Pulled my 2.5" SSD's out of the Ryzen 3600 build and slapped in there, why not. Ryzen 3600 isn't a daily rig anymore, so it can have spinny rust. So yeah, the "latest" build in my museum fleet is back to functional again, yay! Also..... I don't think I mentioned this yet...... I scored a generic ATX beige box in near perfect shape, and an old 2002 model Lian Li PC-60 at a PC shop the other day for $20. The Lian Li needs sanded and re-brushed, it has some pretty bad scratches. Not really sure what I'm going to do with that yet, but it was a Lian Li, I had to grab it. The generic beige box cleaned up pretty enough just with some goo-b-gone. Honestly, I have zero complaints building in that one, doesn't even really need paint to be honest. I also took my generic AT style beige box from Russia out and banged on it with a hammer for a little bit. Honestly, its pretty darn straight now. Needs some paint, and some feet attached to the bottom, and it'll be good to use too! I thought for SURE that case was a goner, but nope! So an AT build for Windows 95 will, in fact, commence! So yeah.....I have ALL the cases I need to finish the projects, so now its a matter of getting drives, sound cards, LAN / wifi cards, more drives, and a few more drives, and maybe a PSU or two and they'll be ready to be built! I also still need to get the AGP video cards repaired (just need re-seated but stripped bolts, so I can't / won't attempt). The A8R32-MVP Deluxe, while yeah I want it fixed, I'm just going to let that sit on the shelf. I don't need it, I just wanted crossfire on the "daily use" 939 build. It's not worth me potentially breaking it, nor is it worth it for me to spend hundreds on busted boards to practice on either. Hopefully after Christmas I can get the rest of the junk ordered that I'm still short, and finish these all up early next year! I have working / perfect enough cases (once I paint the Russia box), I have good mobo's and CPU's, I have good RAM, I have good GPU's (once the AGP ones are re-greased). It's progressing and nearly finishing up things now.
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Post by Bones on Nov 12, 2022 2:01:06 GMT -5
Sounds like things are finally looking up for a change!
Haven't done jack on the computing front lately with all else I've got happening right now.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 12, 2022 2:21:22 GMT -5
Sounds like things are finally looking up for a change! Haven't done jack on the computing front lately with all else I've got happening right now. Well yes and no lol. I still have a shelf full of "broken" AGP cards that need re-greased and re-padded, and I'm not about to try to pull those apart with stripped bolts on them. Last stripped bolt GPU I attempted to fix, I completely broke by cutting the PCB. Better to send off to somebody that has done it before on cards that old and expensive. Cases....yeah, I'm very happy to have all of the cases lined up and ready to go. Same thing with motherboards. The Socket 754 board is kinda junk, but whatever, I never meant to build a 754 anyway, that one just kind of happened one day lol. It does work, so there's that. Still a CPU here and there I want to get over the stuff I have....but I have enough CPU's to make things work at least. Overall, I'm probably just a couple hundred bucks in parts away to having them all 100% finally. Of course AM5 dropped, and the 7900XTX is dropping in like a month. So there's another one I'll NEED to have for the collection to be complete again. But alas, keeping up to date is kind of part of it I guess. I did finally make a determination that I don't NEED to have all SSD builds in the Ryzen+ rigs. No need to if the rig isn't used daily. So that'll save me a ton of money there since I just re-used my 4x2TB SSD's out of the Ryzen 3600 and put them into the 5800x. I dunno why I didn't do that sooner. Spinny rust is fine in rigs sitting on a shelf / not used daily. Of course I'm keeping SSD's as boot drives, but I gave up saving up to put them as "games storage" on everything like I wanted. Just too expensive. --------------------- And yeah, I completely understand you've been super busy lately. Did you even get any runs in on the bot team cup? Better to be busy though, than sitting around bored all day like I have been lately. -_- One of the perks of my new finds and thrifting lately, its at least giving me something to DO.
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Post by Bones on Nov 12, 2022 5:01:06 GMT -5
Managed to get one done that counted, didn't have time for the others with all the running around I had to do. The roof is on and it looks good, now I gotta pay back the loan I had to take out to cover the deductible but at least that's done and barring a bad storm, this roof should outlast me I'd think. Went with architectual shingles for the better quality - More expensive but worth it and the price difference vs standard shingles was only about $350 bucks total so I went for it.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 12, 2022 5:06:03 GMT -5
Managed to get one done that counted, didn't have time for the others with all the running around I had to do. The roof is on and it looks good, now I gotta pay back the loan I had to take out to cover the deductible but at least that's done and barring a bad storm, this roof should outlast me I'd think. Went with architectual shingles for the better quality - More expensive but worth it and the price difference vs standard shingles was only about $350 bucks total so I went for it. Good deal then! Glad you got your roof taken care of, that definitely was priority.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 15, 2022 14:11:33 GMT -5
Okay so I did a bad thing and used my paypal credit I just paid on. -_- But I've got some cool stuff coming! Another set of OCZ Platinum EL DDR400 2x1GB, 2-3-2-5. I already have one kit, and they do DDR-540. So hoping for 500+ speeds out of the second kit too. And TWO LCB9E stepping late date code Opteron 175's. Hoping for a golden CPU out of the two. Hey....I had to have a decent CPU to throw into that A8R32-MVP Deluxe whenever I get that fixed.
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Post by Bones on Nov 15, 2022 16:03:38 GMT -5
My LCB9E 175 is a good chip, runs well and doesn't get too hot for standard use. You may have a golden example on the way, would be nice to see it happen.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 15, 2022 16:10:45 GMT -5
My LCB9E 175 is a good chip, runs well and doesn't get too hot for standard use. You may have a golden example on the way, would be nice to see it happen. That's the goal. My Opteron 180 in my "museum piece" 939 build is fine, does 3GHz stable, not 1MHz more. Exactly what I wanted out of the collection piece. The intent with these is to bin one for benchmarking when I get a hair up my butt for such a thing, and the other (hopefully) bins well enough to be 3+GHz in the A8R32 board for my "daily use" retro rig. I use the heck out of that rig already with the 2.70GHz Opty 165 CCBBE in it, would be nice to have a little more oomph behind it. Both are LCB9E, one is 0652 date code, the other is 0642 date code. So both are very late silicone.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 20, 2022 4:45:48 GMT -5
Alright well these two Opterons absolutely suck. -_- Well, they don't SUCK but they suck lol. 2.90GHz on the better sample, potentially the same on the other one, didn't really test it much yet. The second one will absolutely do 2.80+ stable. Neither will do 3 stable. I can't complain I suppose, silicone lottery and all that jazz. 2.90GHz is still an upgrade from the 2.70GHz Opteron 165 I have in my "daily driver" 939 rig. So hey, its still an upgrade. Was just really hoping for that magical 3GHz. My Opteron 180 in my "collection" 939 build does 3, so I guess I can't be too grumpy about it, I at least have one. Been searching ebay off and on for weeks now for another 180, or even better the elusive 185. No dice so far though. -_- I did swap my Zalman 9900 Ultra OMG WTF BBQ MAX over to the AM2+ build with the Phenom 9850BE, so I could pull the Tuniq Tower 120 off that for 939 testing (since clip on). Other than spatters of blood all over the Zalman, it performs quite nicely, and the specs of red glittering it really make it pop in the case. Bwahahaha. No seriously, it was a PITA to mount (as you all know probably about Zalmans), but it actually does perform quite well. 45*C load now on my 9850BE @ 3GHz, compared to mid 50's before with the Tuniq Tower 120. Not bad really. I guess I'm NEVER swapping CPU's out of that rig now though. Not even kidding (and I have a Kuma 7750BE I can play with too). Sigh, I like the 9850BE better anyway. Just means no more dual core AM2+ hwbot runs for me I suppose till I find another board, if I even bother.
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Post by Bones on Nov 20, 2022 7:54:56 GMT -5
Alright well these two Opterons absolutely suck. -_- Well, they don't SUCK but they suck lol. 2.90GHz on the better sample, potentially the same on the other one, didn't really test it much yet. The second one will absolutely do 2.80+ stable. Neither will do 3 stable. I can't complain I suppose, silicone lottery and all that jazz. 2.90GHz is still an upgrade from the 2.70GHz Opteron 165 I have in my "daily driver" 939 rig. So hey, its still an upgrade. Was just really hoping for that magical 3GHz. My Opteron 180 in my "collection" 939 build does 3, so I guess I can't be too grumpy about it, I at least have one. Been searching ebay off and on for weeks now for another 180, or even better the elusive 185. No dice so far though. -_- I did swap my Zalman 9900 Ultra OMG WTF BBQ MAX over to the AM2+ build with the Phenom 9850BE, so I could pull the Tuniq Tower 120 off that for 939 testing (since clip on). Other than spatters of blood all over the Zalman, it performs quite nicely, and the specs of red glittering it really make it pop in the case. Bwahahaha. No seriously, it was a PITA to mount (as you all know probably about Zalmans), but it actually does perform quite well. 45*C load now on my 9850BE @ 3GHz, compared to mid 50's before with the Tuniq Tower 120. Not bad really. I guess I'm NEVER swapping CPU's out of that rig now though. Not even kidding (and I have a Kuma 7750BE I can play with too). Sigh, I like the 9850BE better anyway. Just means no more dual core AM2+ hwbot runs for me I suppose till I find another board, if I even bother. View AttachmentSometimes it's just a matter of if the chip will do higher MHz on the bus. 165's need that capability to get any real speeds from them because of the low CPU multiplier - No getting around it. Even my LCB9E 165 could do some bus speed but not much above 340 or so, limiting it to about 3.1 or so overall. The freak 165 I had was different, it could do 370+ all day long and not break a sweat over it and I believe it's an LCBQE chip, those being the best stepping. I got that one already delidded without the lid included so I can't verify it being of that stepping, but most likely is. Mr. Scott has that one now and he's enjoying what it can do like I did with it. I do have two more of the LCBQE stepping, namely a 170 and 175 onhand with the 170 being.... OK but the 175 is a fairly good chip itself. My 180 is an LCB9E and does well itself, just not as well as the 175 does. My other 175 (LCB9E) can hit some clocks too but takes alot of voltage to get there vs what the other one can do. I will say a good 175 is probrably what to look for in terms of availability and clocks they'd be capable of, I'd only go for the LCB9E or LCBQE chips and ignore the rest you'd see. You are correct, anything beyond a 175 is hard to find and expensive to get. I've yet to have a 185 here and TBH I'm not that worried about it due to what I've got already. Would be nice to have but I'm not paying what those are going for these days.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 20, 2022 17:01:48 GMT -5
I dont know about the CPU but the ram sucks cant it run 1:1 263 @ 2.5-3-3-7 that is a big performance hit.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 20, 2022 18:58:09 GMT -5
I dont know about the CPU but the ram sucks cant it run 1:1 263 @ 2.5-3-3-7 that is a big performance hit. In the above testing screenshot, yes they can. I was testing CPU, not RAM, as that wasn't its final home. Here......here's the final results and final overclock I got out of the "best" Opteron 175 I got in, in its daily driver home. Definitely saddened, won't even do 2.90GHz properly, but alas, its still faster than the 2.70GHz 165 I pulled out. So whatever. Also....ambient temperatures were 90*F when this screenshot was taken (oops). So the load temperatures are a lot higher than they realistically would be. Still rock solid stable though, so win I guess. In the CPU's final home, NO these RAM sticks can NOT run 1:1 as I run 4 sticks of 2GB ECC for 8GB system RAM total. The sticks default to 3-3-3-8 @ 400, so the fact I was able to get 2.5-3-3-6 out of them at 205MHz was a nice touch I wasn't expecting.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 20, 2022 19:02:24 GMT -5
Alright well these two Opterons absolutely suck. -_- Well, they don't SUCK but they suck lol. 2.90GHz on the better sample, potentially the same on the other one, didn't really test it much yet. The second one will absolutely do 2.80+ stable. Neither will do 3 stable. I can't complain I suppose, silicone lottery and all that jazz. 2.90GHz is still an upgrade from the 2.70GHz Opteron 165 I have in my "daily driver" 939 rig. So hey, its still an upgrade. Was just really hoping for that magical 3GHz. My Opteron 180 in my "collection" 939 build does 3, so I guess I can't be too grumpy about it, I at least have one. Been searching ebay off and on for weeks now for another 180, or even better the elusive 185. No dice so far though. -_- I did swap my Zalman 9900 Ultra OMG WTF BBQ MAX over to the AM2+ build with the Phenom 9850BE, so I could pull the Tuniq Tower 120 off that for 939 testing (since clip on). Other than spatters of blood all over the Zalman, it performs quite nicely, and the specs of red glittering it really make it pop in the case. Bwahahaha. No seriously, it was a PITA to mount (as you all know probably about Zalmans), but it actually does perform quite well. 45*C load now on my 9850BE @ 3GHz, compared to mid 50's before with the Tuniq Tower 120. Not bad really. I guess I'm NEVER swapping CPU's out of that rig now though. Not even kidding (and I have a Kuma 7750BE I can play with too). Sigh, I like the 9850BE better anyway. Just means no more dual core AM2+ hwbot runs for me I suppose till I find another board, if I even bother. View AttachmentSometimes it's just a matter of if the chip will do higher MHz on the bus. 165's need that capability to get any real speeds from them because of the low CPU multiplier - No getting around it. Even my LCB9E 165 could do some bus speed but not much above 340 or so, limiting it to about 3.1 or so overall. The freak 165 I had was different, it could do 370+ all day long and not break a sweat over it and I believe it's an LCBQE chip, those being the best stepping. I got that one already delidded without the lid included so I can't verify it being of that stepping, but most likely is. Mr. Scott has that one now and he's enjoying what it can do like I did with it. I do have two more of the LCBQE stepping, namely a 170 and 175 onhand with the 170 being.... OK but the 175 is a fairly good chip itself. My 180 is an LCB9E and does well itself, just not as well as the 175 does. My other 175 (LCB9E) can hit some clocks too but takes alot of voltage to get there vs what the other one can do. I will say a good 175 is probrably what to look for in terms of availability and clocks they'd be capable of, I'd only go for the LCB9E or LCBQE chips and ignore the rest you'd see. You are correct, anything beyond a 175 is hard to find and expensive to get. I've yet to have a 185 here and TBH I'm not that worried about it due to what I've got already. Would be nice to have but I'm not paying what those are going for these days. Yeah, I did try higher bus speeds. 9x and 11x multipliers at same CPU frequencies seem to offer about the same on RAM speeds so didn't bother dropping to a 9x. 10x will bring RAM speed up some, depending on multiplier. But again (per my above screenshot), the RAM just isn't capable being 4 sticks of 2GB. There was a reason I was running my OCZ 2x1 kit super loose the first time, I wasn't focused on RAM speed at all. Yeah, I wish I could find another LCBQE. These two LCB9E's aren't all that great. They do okay, I consider 2.8+ an "okay" chip. Great would be 3+. I have an LCBQE 180 that does 3 rock solid like I said earlier, but it won't do anything higher at all. I was just hoping for a 3GHz "daily driver" 939 rig, and I don't want to sacrifice the 180 out of the "collection" rig to do it. Sigh. Hey......YOU wouldn't want to sell a 3GHz stable chip would ya? Bwahaha, it was worth a shot to ask, even though I already know the answer is no. I'll keep watching ebay, I don't mind having a collection of 939 CPU's to run if I end up with a bunch lol.
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Post by Bones on Nov 20, 2022 19:12:01 GMT -5
Not gonna blame you for asking of course. Thing is, they can take the heat but aircooling is the real limitation I've ran into with these, needs good water or better for going to or above 3.0 reliably. Big air with some is doable but I'm talking about all dual core Optys here, they are good chips but do need a little help.
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Post by n2gaming on Nov 20, 2022 23:04:10 GMT -5
I did not hear about any FX60? You've been holding out. Oh nvm I did not read properly. I thought you scored the fx60 :/
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