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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 9, 2022 20:35:11 GMT -5
Just subbed a bunch on 1.79 cpuz. The subs are legit at least. I'm benching socket A against a lot of questionable benchmarks and missing screen shots. It's not actually worth the effort, but it passes time I guess...... Not sure what you subbed, but I am referring to VALIDATION runs such as CPU oc, MEMORRY oc, motherboard REF clock, COMPETITIONS where a valid cpuz link is required. None of that. Cpuz doesn't know what MP or XP chip is installed usually after 166 fsb clocks depending on the chip. Itell change the cpu, say 2600+, to just Athlon XP. Really can use any cpu wanted and make subs, but I try to be fair.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 9, 2022 20:42:49 GMT -5
Not sure what you subbed, but I am referring to VALIDATION runs such as CPU oc, MEMORRY oc, motherboard REF clock, COMPETITIONS where a valid cpuz link is required. None of that. Cpuz doesn't know what MP or XP chip is installed usually after 166 fsb clocks depending on the chip. Itell change the cpu, say 2600+, to just Athlon XP. Really can use any cpu wanted and make subs, but I try to be fair. Correct. Always been a problem on this platform.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 10, 2022 2:17:45 GMT -5
None of that. Cpuz doesn't know what MP or XP chip is installed usually after 166 fsb clocks depending on the chip. Itell change the cpu, say 2600+, to just Athlon XP. Really can use any cpu wanted and make subs, but I try to be fair. Correct. Always been a problem on this platform. In a lot of old subs, it really stands out. Especially when the cpu multi is higher than it should be. I caught onto that, got me wondering about it. Then I noticed it. Didn't know you can't unlock the multi higher on XP chips. That's where the question came from. So I've been benching honestly on air. Some chips scale a little bit with V-core. I noticed memory dividers really make an impact on FSB. 1:1 isn't always the way to go. I've gone with 3:4 so can get the memory frequency up. Helps a tad I think. Found the PS2 keyboard finally also. I can get XP installed and try to improve these pifast and mod times. W7 starter ×32 seems to scale strangely. Not sure how to word that. Because sometimes, the benchmarks look good for the frequency and other times way low. But only after a certain point of overclocking. Do some more chips, think focus on PiMod times mostly. I think that's where my area of interest will be. Seems the chips clock higher than PiFast. 32M PiMod and 1024M Wprime I will skip with most chips. I can't allocate .5 hours per try unfortunately.
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Post by austin86 on Nov 10, 2022 14:02:38 GMT -5
so how can we bench older hw like a 386 or 286 then?
like maybe I can beat this
You just need to use the VINTAGE CPUZ when trying to get a VALID CPUZ LINK for CPU overclock, memory oc , motherboard ref clock on OLDER hardware. so for the run you linked you can use what ever works. I havent run 386 in a long while but I'm pretty sure the vintage edition should work if not you can use other utilities like Checkcpu, Testcpu. View Attachmentdoes that work on 3.1 or 95? I tend to use a few benches on 3.1/95 on early systems due to the lesser OS overhead. I guess I could go 98lite
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Post by austin86 on Nov 10, 2022 14:03:43 GMT -5
None of that. Cpuz doesn't know what MP or XP chip is installed usually after 166 fsb clocks depending on the chip. Itell change the cpu, say 2600+, to just Athlon XP. Really can use any cpu wanted and make subs, but I try to be fair. Correct. Always been a problem on this platform. It can be a problem for sk370 too, some bios/motherboard combos don't ID CPUs all to well.
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Post by mrpaco on Nov 10, 2022 14:41:05 GMT -5
You just need to use the VINTAGE CPUZ when trying to get a VALID CPUZ LINK for CPU overclock, memory oc , motherboard ref clock on OLDER hardware. so for the run you linked you can use what ever works. I havent run 386 in a long while but I'm pretty sure the vintage edition should work if not you can use other utilities like Checkcpu, Testcpu. View Attachmentdoes that work on 3.1 or 95? I tend to use a few benches on 3.1/95 on early systems due to the lesser OS overhead. I guess I could go 98lite CPUZ Vintage & Checkcpu & Testcpu should all work on 3.1 and definitely on 95.
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Post by austin86 on Nov 10, 2022 15:59:40 GMT -5
does that work on 3.1 or 95? I tend to use a few benches on 3.1/95 on early systems due to the lesser OS overhead. I guess I could go 98lite CPUZ Vintage & Checkcpu & Testcpu should all work on 3.1 and definitely on 95. sweet. I'll give it a go when I get a chance this winter to pull out my very old stuff.
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Post by antinomy on Nov 10, 2022 20:41:12 GMT -5
I know a few older versions that can't tell the difference with CPUs with the same multi and different FSB's if you use motherboards bios the predated the CPU. IDK if the bug works on newer versions.
there is also a bug with the VIA c3's. if you cut/solder the jumpers on the back of the CPU or use a pre windows ms-dos tool to set the multi then load windows it will simply go off the multi, so it can be tricked into thinking your 1.2ghz c3 is a 1.4ghz c3.
Please, do NOT do this. Emulating other hardware is a violation of 3.2 chapter of the General rules. hwbot.org/generalRulesIt's not a bug, some old hardware didn't have CPU names hardwired.
VIA C3 multis can be altered by BIOS patcher too. BTW, do you have a manual for playing with the bridges? I know they're responsible for multiplier but I've never seen a tutorial/guide for this.
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Post by antinomy on Nov 10, 2022 20:43:34 GMT -5
It can be a problem for sk370 too, some bios/motherboard combos don't ID CPUs all to well. Which ones, only Cyrix? I've seen a confusion with Slot 1 but not with Intel s370 CPUs.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 10, 2022 21:28:43 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 11, 2022 2:09:40 GMT -5
Luckily all the chips I have besides a small handful came from members of this team. But for a high def screen shot, I can't upload them. Bot says the file is too big. Lol. 😆
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Post by austin86 on Nov 11, 2022 12:53:50 GMT -5
It can be a problem for sk370 too, some bios/motherboard combos don't ID CPUs all to well. Which ones, only Cyrix? I've seen a confusion with Slot 1 but not with Intel s370 CPUs. A lot of them, any PIII that has the same multi like the 750mhz 100fsb and the 1ghz 133 fsb chip can be mixed up by cpuz. Some board also don't like to play well with CPUz and some PIII get ID'd as just a PIII and its clock speed.
VIA C3 multis can be altered by BIOS patcher too. BTW, do you have a manual for playing with the bridges? I know they're responsible for multiplier but I've never seen a tutorial/guide for this. The trace where there is an 'I' is bridged, 'x' is cut
I xx Ix xIIxIII = 10.0x
I xx II IIIxIII = 9.0x
I xx Ix IxxxxII = 7.5x
I xx II xIIxIII = 4.0x
I xx Ix IIIxIII = 3.0x?
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Post by antinomy on Nov 12, 2022 3:51:56 GMT -5
A lot of them, any PIII that has the same multi like the 750mhz 100fsb and the 1ghz 133 fsb chip can be mixed up by cpuz. Some board also don't like to play well with CPUz and some PIII get ID'd as just a PIII and its clock speed. Do you remember any examples of boards? I've seen this issue on Slot1 440BX boards but not socket 370.
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Post by austin86 on Nov 14, 2022 9:21:18 GMT -5
A lot of them, any PIII that has the same multi like the 750mhz 100fsb and the 1ghz 133 fsb chip can be mixed up by cpuz. Some board also don't like to play well with CPUz and some PIII get ID'd as just a PIII and its clock speed. Do you remember any examples of boards? I've seen this issue on Slot1 440BX boards but not socket 370. my bx133-raid. I had a VIA board that had it too.
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Post by n2gaming on Nov 22, 2022 0:42:08 GMT -5
I have an old DFI with two different ram types and ISO slots mixed with pci. Then an Epox with a K6. Then I have a HP system with dual intel 33 or 133 cpu's old old desk top. Hard to remember all these old cpu and socket types.
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Post by mklm on Nov 26, 2022 20:29:06 GMT -5
a few days ago has some expirience with biostar m7mkb + thunderbird 650, i didnt have golden finger, and i dont change multi with configuration resistors on cpu board. mobo is limited to 120 mhz, next step is 124mhz and it changing divider from pci/3 to pci/4. in pll datasheet i found configuration with 133mhz with pci/4 but mobo didnt post, 00 on post card, pushing vcore to 2v not help (voltmod on pwm is done). also i cant change CAS latency to 2 - no functionality in bios, and board very very unstable (full re cap didnt help) - i use modbin for unlock hidden settings and cant flash mod bios - awdflash freezes, and dont have mobo for cross flashing. sorry for my bad english, wrote without translator some photos here (hwbot link)
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 26, 2022 21:58:22 GMT -5
Looks Good you got the gold.
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