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Post by pioneerisloud on Nov 4, 2022 13:47:37 GMT -5
I'll be benchmarking a couple, an early Socket A and a Socket 7 or two maybe. Not for bot points or anything, and probably won't even be overclocked. I might bench them just to bench them though. Can always share the screen shots in the OC museum section of the forums Oh I absolutely will once I get all of these old hogs running.
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Post by antinomy on Nov 4, 2022 18:48:03 GMT -5
ANTINOMY, BRING OSiBS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see ya. Like my teammate said, we've discussed and we want OSBIS too. Right now it's LCC and CC. And after that we might fire up an OSBIS. We could do it two ways - either platform+benchmark. Like s370 Pifast. Or a year stage - like year 2003 hardware and 3DMark 2003. 2001 hardware and 3DMark 2001. Or we could try both types of stages. I'm open to suggestion. I'd like to cut out obscure hardware like s423 or Slot A so more people could join in. So generally socket 7, 370, 478, A, 754, 939. VGAs should be AGP or maybe add PCI-E but only models matching to AGP counterparts.
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Post by mrpaco on Nov 4, 2022 19:03:33 GMT -5
ANTINOMY, BRING OSiBS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see ya. Like my teammate said, we've discussed and we want OSBIS too. Right now it's LCC and CC. And after that we might fire up an OSBIS. We could do it two ways - either platform+benchmark. Like s370 Pifast. Or a year stage - like year 2003 hardware and 3DMark 2003. 2001 hardware and 3DMark 2001. Or we could try both types of stages. I'm open to suggestion. I'd like to cut out obscure hardware like s423 or Slot A so more people could join in. So generally socket 7, 370, 478, A, 754, 939. VGAs should be AGP or maybe add PCI-E but only models matching to AGP counterparts. And I was gonna suggest something like Pentium Pro & WPrime 1024 . That would really go over well . But instead can through in something like Socket-M (478) wprime 1024
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 5, 2022 1:18:13 GMT -5
Can always share the screen shots in the OC museum section of the forums Oh I absolutely will once I get all of these old hogs running. Nice, I have a few benches I'll try to toss up this weekend. Gotta change 2 things though. Cooling and Operating system. So my benches for temporary will be posted on W7. Cooling, I might try plated TEC, or Dry Ice. Got an Athlon 1000 would love to try for 100% oc!! 2ghz probably won't happen on air though. Lol.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 5, 2022 8:56:25 GMT -5
Got an Athlon 1000 would love to try for 100% oc!! 2ghz probably won't happen on air though. Lol. You need a Geode. I can oblige.
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Post by Bones on Nov 5, 2022 9:50:47 GMT -5
Yeah - Burnie would love some Geode goodness.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 5, 2022 11:53:28 GMT -5
Nice. Pm sent Scotty.
Bones, the An7 is a champ. I've been nice to it though. Only used so far up to 2.1125v vcore on air. But I think some cooler weather might help.
Do you guys no the average CB/CBB of these chips by any chance? Will the run -30c on my dice pot???
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 5, 2022 13:20:43 GMT -5
No CB on socket A.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 5, 2022 16:45:46 GMT -5
I have been down to -150c Nitrogen is whats needed.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 5, 2022 19:01:16 GMT -5
I have been down to -150c Nitrogen is whats needed. Probably not that extreme. 160$ for 22L dewar these days.... Dry Ice I can afford though. 20 bucks and bench all night.
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Post by Bones on Nov 5, 2022 23:49:51 GMT -5
I have been down to -150c Nitrogen is whats needed. Probably not that extreme. 160$ for 22L dewar these days.... Dry Ice I can afford though. 20 bucks and bench all night. Dewars are expensive - No doubt about it. That is however a one time expense, once you have it, that's it with no further cost to have it onhand, ready to go. I can get mine filled (27 Ltr) for about $48 (Airgas) and that's from being completely empty. The good thing about Ln2 is even if you have just a little 10 Ltr dewar, that enough to bench literally for hours if not all day with an A if you want because so little is used. Biggest use would be to pull temps down but once there it's a snap to keep temps where you want them to be if you have a temp probe to let you keep temps where you want them to be or where they need to be. I'd suggest either a 10 or 15 Ltr dewar for your kind of use (Low volume) since those are not too expensive to get or fill when needed. It's when you start messing with things like FX that the need for more Ln2 by volume comes into play, esp if it happens to be a thirsty chip and FX chips can be thirsty indeed.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 6, 2022 0:25:49 GMT -5
Probably not that extreme. 160$ for 22L dewar these days.... Dry Ice I can afford though. 20 bucks and bench all night. Dewars are expensive - No doubt about it. That is however a one time expense, once you have it, that's it with no further cost to have it onhand, ready to go. I can get mine filled (27 Ltr) for about $48 (Airgas) and that's from being completely empty. The good thing about Ln2 is even if you have just a little 10 Ltr dewar, that enough to bench literally for hours if not all day with an A if you want because so little is used. Biggest use would be to pull temps down but once there it's a snap to keep temps where you want them to be if you have a temp probe to let you keep temps where you want them to be or where they need to be. I'd suggest either a 10 or 15 Ltr dewar for your kind of use (Low volume) since those are not too expensive to get or fill when needed. It's when you start messing with things like FX that the need for more Ln2 by volume comes into play, esp if it happens to be a thirsty chip and FX chips can be thirsty indeed. I mis wrote that. It cost me that 160 to fill the 22L dewar I have..... Last time, I did only 10L. It was 74 dollars plus whatever the tax turned out to be. And that is from airgas. I will not be using LN2 either way. It's the only board I have ya know? But with a TEC, I have much better moisture controll. Can even use the Tec for warming, just switch the wires around. Enough of the TEC cooling secrets though, I'd like to surprise myself lol.
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Post by Bones on Nov 6, 2022 11:59:54 GMT -5
Dewars are expensive - No doubt about it. That is however a one time expense, once you have it, that's it with no further cost to have it onhand, ready to go. I can get mine filled (27 Ltr) for about $48 (Airgas) and that's from being completely empty. The good thing about Ln2 is even if you have just a little 10 Ltr dewar, that enough to bench literally for hours if not all day with an A if you want because so little is used. Biggest use would be to pull temps down but once there it's a snap to keep temps where you want them to be if you have a temp probe to let you keep temps where you want them to be or where they need to be. I'd suggest either a 10 or 15 Ltr dewar for your kind of use (Low volume) since those are not too expensive to get or fill when needed. It's when you start messing with things like FX that the need for more Ln2 by volume comes into play, esp if it happens to be a thirsty chip and FX chips can be thirsty indeed. I mis wrote that. It cost me that 160 to fill the 22L dewar I have..... Last time, I did only 10L. It was 74 dollars plus whatever the tax turned out to be. And that is from airgas. I will not be using LN2 either way. It's the only board I have ya know? But with a TEC, I have much better moisture controll. Can even use the Tec for warming, just switch the wires around. Enough of the TEC cooling secrets though, I'd like to surprise myself lol. Damn!! I know you're up in Chicago and all that, but that is just outright robbery. Do they stick a piece to your head and say something like "You wanna get it filled up all the way..... I mean, hey; * click* You REALLY wanna - Well, you know, get that dewey-thingy filled to the rim.... right?" The guys here at least take good care of me whenever I pop in.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 6, 2022 13:18:33 GMT -5
I mis wrote that. It cost me that 160 to fill the 22L dewar I have..... Last time, I did only 10L. It was 74 dollars plus whatever the tax turned out to be. And that is from airgas. I will not be using LN2 either way. It's the only board I have ya know? But with a TEC, I have much better moisture controll. Can even use the Tec for warming, just switch the wires around. Enough of the TEC cooling secrets though, I'd like to surprise myself lol. Damn!! I know you're up in Chicago and all that, but that is just outright robbery. Do they stick a piece to your head and say something like "You wanna get it filled up all the way..... I mean, hey; * click* You REALLY wanna - Well, you know, get that dewey-thingy filled to the rim.... right?" The guys here at least take good care of me whenever I pop in. No busta caps in dat ass for some LN2. Just stupid high prices. You'd shit if I told you how much a pack of smokes cost these days. Usually they give me more than 10L when I ask for that. There's not a really good way to measure it. So I tell them half bottle and hope to get more, which I usually do. At the spring shop, used to get it free. But back then, Athlon 940 AM2 chips where kinda buggy when that cold.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 6, 2022 17:35:26 GMT -5
Do tell me how much a packet of smokes is here its about $32 for a pack of 20. Smoking is a rich mans game here the governments way to get people to stop just tax it out of affordability.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 6, 2022 17:40:04 GMT -5
Do tell me how much a packet of smokes is here its about $32 for a pack of 20. Smoking is a rich mans game here the governments way to get people to stop just tax it out of affordability. Chicago or more or less cook county is near 20$ a pack. Just depends who's selling. 16 to 18 bucks on average by my brother's house. Over 10$ in the distant suburbs. Wisconsin I haven't been up there depends. If in tourist areas, as much as 10 bucks a pack. Maybe more in the Dells. Carton is over 100 bucks these days. 20 class A cigerrettes a carton is 10 packs. I'm sure Scotty has it worse than Chicago downtown though.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 7, 2022 15:51:01 GMT -5
Nope. Average here is around $14 a pack.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 7, 2022 20:32:03 GMT -5
I don't even pay that. I run half an hour down the road to the Indian reservation. Only $2.50 a pack there. State and Federal taxes are what makes them expensive.
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Post by Bones on Nov 7, 2022 21:30:11 GMT -5
If I were still a smoker I'd be in luck - The local casino is on tribal grounds and it's about 5-7 minutes from my driveway, depending on traffic and how the lights catch me. Like a reservation, it too is tax-exempt that way.
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Post by zila1 on Nov 7, 2022 22:30:04 GMT -5
I am so glad I quit smoking over twenty years ago. Sheesh.
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Post by austin86 on Nov 8, 2022 15:31:42 GMT -5
I have a nasty idea.... Can we still use older version of CPUz?Even for validation
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 8, 2022 15:40:54 GMT -5
I have a nasty idea.... Can we still use older version of CPUz?Even for validation CPUz Vintage still validates.
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Post by austin86 on Nov 8, 2022 17:56:31 GMT -5
I have a nasty idea.... Can we still use older version of CPUz?Even for validation CPUz Vintage still validates. so I can use old version that can’t tell the difference between some very old CPUs on 9x and NT… quick points lol
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 8, 2022 18:18:00 GMT -5
Its version 1.03 its downloadable from CPUID thats the only old version that can validate its called vintage edition.
It will detect all your old CPU's properly doesnt matter what Windows operating system you are using.
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Post by austin86 on Nov 9, 2022 11:07:18 GMT -5
I know a few older versions that can't tell the difference with CPUs with the same multi and different FSB's if you use motherboards bios the predated the CPU. IDK if the bug works on newer versions.
there is also a bug with the VIA c3's. if you cut/solder the jumpers on the back of the CPU or use a pre windows ms-dos tool to set the multi then load windows it will simply go off the multi, so it can be tricked into thinking your 1.2ghz c3 is a 1.4ghz c3.
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Yeah looks like anything 1.5 or older does not work. I'll have to play with the vintage one as I plan to bench on 9x. 95 for the better points and more OC head room if possible.
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Post by mrpaco on Nov 9, 2022 11:25:39 GMT -5
Even if 1.5 worked HWbott will only accept at present 1.97 or higher and Vintage Edition for validation submissions.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 9, 2022 14:46:00 GMT -5
Even if 1.5 worked HWbott will only accept at present 1.97 or higher and Vintage Edition for validation submissions. Just subbed a bunch on 1.79 cpuz. The subs are legit at least. I'm benching socket A against a lot of questionable benchmarks and missing screen shots. It's not actually worth the effort, but it passes time I guess......
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Post by austin86 on Nov 9, 2022 15:07:48 GMT -5
Even if 1.5 worked HWbott will only accept at present 1.97 or higher and Vintage Edition for validation submissions. so how can we bench older hw like a 386 or 286 then?
like maybe I can beat this
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Post by mrpaco on Nov 9, 2022 15:44:05 GMT -5
Even if 1.5 worked HWbott will only accept at present 1.97 or higher and Vintage Edition for validation submissions. Just subbed a bunch on 1.79 cpuz. The subs are legit at least. I'm benching socket A against a lot of questionable benchmarks and missing screen shots. It's not actually worth the effort, but it passes time I guess...... Not sure what you subbed, but I am referring to VALIDATION runs such as CPU oc, MEMORRY oc, motherboard REF clock, COMPETITIONS where a valid cpuz link is required.
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Post by mrpaco on Nov 9, 2022 15:57:08 GMT -5
Even if 1.5 worked HWbott will only accept at present 1.97 or higher and Vintage Edition for validation submissions. so how can we bench older hw like a 386 or 286 then?
like maybe I can beat this
You just need to use the VINTAGE CPUZ when trying to get a VALID CPUZ LINK for CPU overclock, memory oc , motherboard ref clock on OLDER hardware. so for the run you linked you can use what ever works. I havent run 386 in a long while but I'm pretty sure the vintage edition should work if not you can use other utilities like Checkcpu, Testcpu.
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