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Post by Mr.Scott on Mar 26, 2022 8:31:22 GMT -5
Because you can't set the TurboCore multi's on a locked chip.
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Post by Vinster on Mar 26, 2022 19:34:50 GMT -5
ya, all you can do is set the multi to the highest you can (usually 20-23.. .what ever the CPU is rated for and depending on the CPU), disable speedstep and other C-states... enable turbo mode. it should run at turbo after that iirc.
Vin
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Mar 27, 2022 0:07:05 GMT -5
Ive pretty much confirmed that the 3rd core is the worst core cause bloody hell the cores on this thing are actually pretty good, similar to the 2 best cores but that 3rd core just ruins it all now how the hell do i disable it? Cause board doesnt disable specific cores. Maybe i can disable the 3rd core via the os?
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Mar 27, 2022 0:22:42 GMT -5
You cant turn off indivdual cores like turning off core 3 and having cores 4,5,6 on the CPU is useless drill a hole through it and put it on your keychain and start buying more and binning them.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Mar 27, 2022 13:43:58 GMT -5
You cant turn off indivdual cores like turning off core 3 and having cores 4,5,6 on the CPU is useless drill a hole through it and put it on your keychain and start buying more and binning them. Could i atleast disable it so nothing can use the 3rd core? Cause if i cant turn it off i should atleast be able to mostly disable it from being used so no instability shenanigans cause garbage 3rd core cant keep up
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 27, 2022 14:11:56 GMT -5
You cant turn off indivdual cores like turning off core 3 and having cores 4,5,6 on the CPU is useless drill a hole through it and put it on your keychain and start buying more and binning them. Haha! I have a window looking at my backyard. There I have three white round targets for testing my guns. There are more cpus around the targets than bullets.
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Post by Bones on Mar 27, 2022 15:31:06 GMT -5
You cant turn off indivdual cores like turning off core 3 and having cores 4,5,6 on the CPU is useless drill a hole through it and put it on your keychain and start buying more and binning them. Could i atleast disable it so nothing can use the 3rd core? Cause if i cant turn it off i should atleast be able to mostly disable it from being used so no instability shenanigans cause garbage 3rd core cant keep up Nope - If you don't have a core On/Off option in the BIOS you can't do it and I'm not aware of any 775 boards that can do it. All cores will be running regardless. You can try setting affinity off of that core with certain benchmarks so it's not being used for the run itself but that's about all you can do, the core will still be active.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Mar 27, 2022 18:18:07 GMT -5
Ah Rodney you can turn cores off in 775 as well as X58 which is what he is asking but you have to start at core 6 and run as a 5 core then both 5 & 6 as a 4 core all the way down to 1 core but you cant disable core 3 and have 4, 5, 6 running like you can with AM3. As I said the CPU is Garbage.
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Post by Bones on Mar 27, 2022 19:29:16 GMT -5
As said I wasn't aware of any 775's that could do that but nice to know there are a few at least. And yes, the chip is a junk chip as you say - He'd be better off finding another one to run.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Mar 27, 2022 22:44:44 GMT -5
Guess ill be selling this x5660 and getting an e5649, though would e5649 be better binned? Cause it does have lower tdp
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Post by Bones on Mar 27, 2022 23:21:57 GMT -5
Lower TDP chips tend to not do as well as ones with a higher TDP. Most chips that can clock are hot, leaky-voltage chips.
However, at the same time there is no guarantee of anything with any given chip until it's tested.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Mar 28, 2022 3:01:02 GMT -5
If you want a good one by a few from different sellers then bin them and see which is the best still no guarantee you will get a good one. Hell Ground has binned 100s of them probably closer to 1000.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Mar 29, 2022 0:22:57 GMT -5
If you want a good one by a few from different sellers then bin them and see which is the best still no guarantee you will get a good one. Hell Ground has binned 100s of them probably closer to 1000. Though what do you do with the junk chips? Just resell em or something? And where do you even source them from? Cause i can only source them from my local eshop in indo and x5650 costs 10$
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Mar 29, 2022 1:30:17 GMT -5
Sell them on I suppose and try to get your money back I couldnt be bothered for the $10 Its part of the cost of the hobby.
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Post by antinomy on Mar 29, 2022 2:10:04 GMT -5
Guess ill be selling this x5660 and getting an e5649, though would e5649 be better binned? Cause it does have lower tdp Yes, but not because of the TDP. The Xeon CPUs had a refresh in their lineup. So 5660 is the first wave of Westmere and 5649 is the second wave (refresh) of these Xeon CPUs. So it's likely to be newer and because of this likely to clock better. Doesn't have to though.
Bones, as for 775 - I think all nForce boards allow per-core disabling. And some boards like DFI have single-core mode (disables all cores except the first). And don't forget that you can't disable core 0 (first one) on any system (AFAIK) - it's the bootstrap core so it kick starts the boot process and other cores are initialized by it. It's prebuilt.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Mar 29, 2022 3:15:49 GMT -5
Guess ill be selling this x5660 and getting an e5649, though would e5649 be better binned? Cause it does have lower tdp Yes, but not because of the TDP. The Xeon CPUs had a refresh in their lineup. So 5660 is the first wave of Westmere and 5649 is the second wave (refresh) of these Xeon CPUs. So it's likely to be newer and because of this likely to clock better. Doesn't have to though.
Bones, as for 775 - I think all nForce boards allow per-core disabling. And some boards like DFI have single-core mode (disables all cores except the first). And don't forget that you can't disable core 0 (first one) on any system (AFAIK) - it's the bootstrap core so it kick starts the boot process and other cores are initialized by it. It's prebuilt.
Could you tell all the non refresh and refresh cpus? And whats the diff other than clocks anyways? Btw why the hell does booting take so long at bclk over 224 on this p6t deluxe? Not even running qpi slowmode yet it still takes forever to boot at any bclk above 224, any way to fix this slow booting garbage?
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Post by antinomy on Mar 29, 2022 5:51:16 GMT -5
There's not much to tell. First there was one part of Xeon Westmere announced and the top CPU was X5680. In a year more CPUs were announced like X5698, X5690 (new top CPU) and your E5649. Nothing different, they're just newer. So a E5649 is likely to be newer than a X5660 and thus likely to clock better. It still is a lottery. You can check announce dates here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Nehalem-based_Xeon_microprocessors
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Post by Bones on Mar 29, 2022 6:12:00 GMT -5
I don't recall having any NForce based boards before and that's probrably why. All I've ever had for 775 was P965-S, X48 and P43, never had a P45 before or any other 775 board type. The P965-S I had was a DFI Infinity Dark, good board but I can't recall ever seeing that option in it. It has been awhile since I've even touched 775 so please forgive me if I got that or any of the above wrong.
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Post by antinomy on Mar 29, 2022 18:02:12 GMT -5
It has been awhile since I've even touched 775 so please forgive me if I got that or any of the above wrong. Nothing wrong Rodney. You said you don't know any such board, I got you a few names. It's not a common option anyway. We're all here to share and learn from each other after all.
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Post by Bones on Mar 29, 2022 19:48:29 GMT -5
Nothing wrong about learning something new and I did here. Thank you for providing that info.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Apr 3, 2022 17:21:57 GMT -5
Ok ive been looking around at x58 ocing stuff and some guides say that pll below spec can "help stability" though ive seen somewhere that westmeres prefer 1.3-1.5v pll and that can help with lowering vcore requirements, now since asus bios as always suck ass it doesnt let me go under 1.8v pll, now im wondering if i can voltmod pll so i can run lower volts
If i could get a better giga board or a rampage board then sure but this p6t deluxe v2 is a dud cause cmos, half the rear i/o, 1st pcie x16 slot, and top rght corner is dead making it basically worthless. I think ill just run it to the ground till it dies or i can sell it off and in that process ill prob use it as a test mule for voltmodding
I just wanna ask how i can find vpll read points and how to trace the read point to its volt controller? or could it be similar to vpll mod on p5e3 premium?
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Post by Vinster on Apr 3, 2022 18:42:47 GMT -5
I've normally just set it to 1.8v to make sure it didn't go higher. I don't think any of my boards (including the EVGA e770) will let me go below 1.8v
Vin
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Apr 3, 2022 23:38:13 GMT -5
I've normally just set it to 1.8v to make sure it didn't go higher. I don't think any of my boards (including the EVGA e770) will let me go below 1.8v Vin Though any way to voltmod the pll? It could be similar to p5e3 premium pll voltmod but ill have a look at my board to see if i can find anything that could be controlling pll volt Edit : looking at the board theres an as324 near the southbridge and another on the left side of the board that is positioned just below the pcie x16 slot when compared to the p5e3 premium layout so i have a suspicion that i can vmod pll voltage similarly to how you vmod a p5e3 premium, ive also heard ioh pll voltage set to 1.35v can also help but idk how you even find a measure point for that Now whats left is a measure point for cpu pll voltage so i actually know my vmod is doing something and not screwing around with some other random voltage Ive also found some other things to note, vrm seems to have 2 controllers, one on the top side of the vrm asp0800 the epu chip, pretty sure that one controls the cpu voltage but then theres a 2nd what looks to be controller on the bottom part of the vrm rt8857, looking at the datasheets both are supposedly for cpu voltage control but i wonder if the rt8857 is responsible for other volts that vcore like qpi pll, api/vtt volt or something like that Then theres a chip marked turbo v beside the second pcie x16 slot and southbridge which is actually an asm8283 though couldnt find a datasheet for it, i assume it links with asus turbo v software, im not sure what i can control in turbo v but i may look into it incase i can trick turbo v into thinking the board is an r3x or something like that so i can tweak volts that arent in the bios
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Apr 4, 2022 0:03:51 GMT -5
The PLL will probably be controlled by a linear regulator not a PWM. Look for mosfets not far away from the clock generator chip measure the output of the drain on the mosfet then change the voltage in bios and see if it changes. Seeing as I dont have the board in front of me I cant say exactly how the gate is controlled. I do know with rampage extreme the mod required lifting the gate leg and attaching a trimmer to it but that is all I know I dont know weather the other side of the trimmer is attached to the original pad or elsewhere.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Apr 4, 2022 0:36:42 GMT -5
The PLL will probably be controlled by a linear regulator not a PWM. Look for mosfets not far away from the clock generator chip measure the output of the drain on the mosfet then change the voltage in bios and see if it changes. Seeing as I dont have the board in front of me I cant say exactly how the gate is controlled. I do know with rampage extreme the mod required lifting the gate leg and attaching a trimmer to it but that is all I know I dont know weather the other side of the trimmer is attached to the original pad or elsewhere. Do you mean clockgen as in those ics chips? My clockgen looks to be a 9lprs918jklf so same as my p5q Correction on the asm chips theres actually 3, 2 on the southbidge side and 1 on the left just below the 1st x16 slot, the upper asm on the sb is oriented horizontally like the one on the left and the lower asm on the sb under the heatpipe is oriented vertically just like it is on the p5e3 premium, might just be a wild guess but guess its something And on that linear volt controller there does seem to be 2 of em on the vrm, the top epu one that most likely controls the cpu volt and one on the lower side of the vrm that also says controls cpu volt, not sure if they are just the same for controlling cpu volt or one of em controls the other volts like pll, qpi pll, vtt/qpi volt, etc.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Apr 4, 2022 2:55:38 GMT -5
Yes the main Clockgen chip it works in a phase locked Loop configuration hence the name PLL. Digital radio tuners also work in a PLL configuration to keep them locked on the frequency. The voltage you are wanting to modify is the timing signal voltage The 2 you are quoting are likely to be CPU V and VTT but as I dont have the board in front of me there is no real way to know.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Apr 6, 2022 1:43:13 GMT -5
Yes the main Clockgen chip it works in a phase locked Loop configuration hence the name PLL. Digital radio tuners also work in a PLL configuration to keep them locked on the frequency. The voltage you are wanting to modify is the timing signal voltage The 2 you are quoting are likely to be CPU V and VTT but as I dont have the board in front of me there is no real way to know. Looking at luumi p5e3 premium pll mod yep the voltage read point is a cap near the clockgen, if i cant find what controls the voltage then could i just manually override the volt by taking off the cap and wiring my own volt supply in place of the cap?
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Apr 6, 2022 6:40:13 GMT -5
What and have 2 supplies feeding it the cap is only a filter to take ripple out of the line it wont stop the original regulator from working you are trying to lower the voltage aint you the original will keep supplying 1.8v you will have to find the original mosfet and disable it.
Have you got a link to Luumi's mod?
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Apr 7, 2022 4:55:06 GMT -5
What and have 2 supplies feeding it the cap is only a filter to take ripple out of the line it wont stop the original regulator from working you are trying to lower the voltage aint you the original will keep supplying 1.8v you will have to find the original mosfet and disable it. Have you got a link to Luumi's mod? No exact link but ive found a related thread from 2016 community.hwbot.org/topic/144677-calling-all-rampage-extreme-masters-getting-above-670-fsb/page/3/Unfortunately pics are gone
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Apr 8, 2022 2:40:43 GMT -5
So are you wanting this mod is to get higher FSB. PLL mods are for lowering your Coldbug to get the chip to run colder like below -130c nothing else just like they are wanting in that thread. I am impressed you are going to run nitrogen on it. Tagg had a PLL mod somewhere for Rampage Extreme and as far as I remember it was exactly the same as what is described in that thread
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