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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 17, 2019 20:49:00 GMT -5
Well I never wanted to go TR, as they are still less than ideal for 3D-benching. I was just considering the 3800X as a budget alternative. But at the end of the year my calculations add up to a slightly larger budget, since I´ll sell some stuff. So I´m in the 1500$ - 2000$ range for CPU + board. 1500$ if I go LN2 (thanks to Shadyreaper for the PM ). In that range I´ll likely go intel. I won´t be aiming for the podium tho, after all I will need to get used to the new platform first. Still I want to be as competitive as possible. And don´t worry IF I go down the LN2 path I will NOT use the 9980XE for my first steps! I´ll rather practice with what I have until I´m confident I won´t kill something each time I run extreme cooling. By that time there may already be new options available, maybe intel will push something before Q2 2020. I doubt it but I can hope right? ;D If your gonna get a 3800x I would get a 9900k it's so much better and I'm glad I was able to help you
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 17, 2019 21:01:35 GMT -5
Well I never wanted to go TR, as they are still less than ideal for 3D-benching. I was just considering the 3800X as a budget alternative. But at the end of the year my calculations add up to a slightly larger budget, since I´ll sell some stuff. So I´m in the 1500$ - 2000$ range for CPU + board. 1500$ if I go LN2 (thanks to Shadyreaper for the PM ). In that range I´ll likely go intel. I won´t be aiming for the podium tho, after all I will need to get used to the new platform first. Still I want to be as competitive as possible. And don´t worry IF I go down the LN2 path I will NOT use the 9980XE for my first steps! I´ll rather practice with what I have until I´m confident I won´t kill something each time I run extreme cooling. By that time there may already be new options available, maybe intel will push something before Q2 2020. I doubt it but I can hope right? ;D If your gonna get a 3800x I would get a 9900k it's so much better and I'm glad I was able to help you +1
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Post by alpi on Jan 1, 2020 10:24:26 GMT -5
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Post by bilko on Jan 1, 2020 15:01:16 GMT -5
I agree mate, Impressive score you got there. Gives me hope of being able to squeeze a bit more out of my setup
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Post by alpi on Jan 1, 2020 16:09:38 GMT -5
Thx ! Was so good to benching Vantage at a decent level. Long time no felt. Maybe the sandy era was the end when I have chance to reach any top (20-50 not matter much) region. In the close past I used to bench sometimes but usually for a competition or because any interesting build. Its fun always but nahh.. its something more than fun, You know what i saying I guess. I have the feeling a while, that time could came for some big changes or even thinking and / or testing in some unholy scenarios worth the time. Knowing that it even doing a test was surely waste of time in the past. The last boom was after a fun vantage run with my 980 ti. Done it because just. Rtss osd was on and gpu load was really interesting ! Really was ! Shows some clear differencyes compared Intels. Who done this bench, surely knows the hated scenes where gpu load vanishing. With a stronger vga You overclocks the cpu like a mad and the gpu load ! Still vanishing... just not dropped to 22% but changing to 26%... Zen2 seems acting a bit different but it could caused by a single read anomaly. For example with my 560Ti the gpu load shows constant 98-99% through gt1 ! No falls, even a little, even for just secs, nothing. Try to remember how it was with Intels but I'm not sure I remember well but I think there was 2 points when load dropped even with a vga powerful like 560ti. If any of You could aggree or even exclude that would be awesome ! Knowing I has really awful memory. (5970 doin' the same full load on both gpu through gt1).
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Post by cbjaust on Jan 2, 2020 11:20:24 GMT -5
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Post by cbjaust on Jan 2, 2020 11:41:15 GMT -5
Well I never wanted to go TR, as they are still less than ideal for 3D-benching. I was just considering the 3800X as a budget alternative. But at the end of the year my calculations add up to a slightly larger budget, since I´ll sell some stuff. So I´m in the 1500$ - 2000$ range for CPU + board. 1500$ if I go LN2 (thanks to Shadyreaper for the PM ). In that range I´ll likely go intel. I won´t be aiming for the podium tho, after all I will need to get used to the new platform first. Still I want to be as competitive as possible. And don´t worry IF I go down the LN2 path I will NOT use the 9980XE for my first steps! I´ll rather practice with what I have until I´m confident I won´t kill something each time I run extreme cooling. By that time there may already be new options available, maybe intel will push something before Q2 2020. I doubt it but I can hope right? ;D If your gonna get a 3800x I would get a 9900k it's so much better and I'm glad I was able to help you If you're going to get a 9900K you may as well get a 3900X
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Post by osmiumoc on Jan 2, 2020 11:55:06 GMT -5
If your gonna get a 3800x I would get a 9900k it's so much better and I'm glad I was able to help you If you're going to get a 9900K you may as well get a 3900X Yeah at that price point I could get a 3900x. But I have kinda made my decision already. X299 boards are dropping prices a lot because it seems they did not sell very well Got my eyes on the EVGA Dark, always wanted to give that board a try. I´ll just have to order strategic, so I can make the most of my 14-day return policy for binning / switching to another board if I don´t like it. Generally stores accept that once or twice.
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Post by cbjaust on Jan 2, 2020 12:37:52 GMT -5
osmiumoc , yeah, EVGA has the DARK at a pretty decent discount (30%) at the moment.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Jan 2, 2020 12:41:44 GMT -5
The issue with x299 dark is no support for quad cores so don't plan to buy one of those also the mem timings will set you back hours tweaking them it by far is not an easy board to run
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Post by cbjaust on Jan 2, 2020 12:48:03 GMT -5
The issue with x299 dark is no support for quad cores so don't plan to buy one of those also the mem timings will set you back hours tweaking them it by far is not an easy board to run EVGA X299 Dark does support Quad Cores, @avalanche has done a fair few score with the quad core i7 7740X, here's one example of Jr's efforts with the X299 Dark and the i7 7740X.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Jan 2, 2020 12:55:29 GMT -5
The issue with x299 dark is no support for quad cores so don't plan to buy one of those also the mem timings will set you back hours tweaking them it by far is not an easy board to run EVGA X299 Dark does support Quad Cores, @avalanche has done a fair few score with the quad core i7 7740X, here's one example of Jr's efforts with the X299 Dark and the i7 7740X. Yeah and you have no RTL control you and no LN2 control I have one in my lab now and no I would not recommend it to anyone
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Post by Shadyreaper on Jan 2, 2020 13:05:06 GMT -5
If you want a x299 Mobo find a OCF ASRock I did same speed as I did with x299 dark with my 7940x and crushed my scores also was able to use my 7740k on LN2
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Post by osmiumoc on Jan 2, 2020 13:27:31 GMT -5
If you want a x299 Mobo find a OCF ASRock I did same speed as I did with x299 dark with my 7940x and crushed my scores also was able to use my 7740k on LN2 The OCF is looking good too, only two things that put me off: First, when I run ambient (as I will at some point, I can´t afford LN2 24/7 and for every bench, it´s going to be ~120$ per evening of fun) that VRM heatsink looks horrible. Why did they cheap out on that part? Second, they advertise the 'gold audio jack' on the rear I/O as one of the first points right up there on their website, even above the X-OC slide. So they seem to value the audio quality far higher
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Post by alpi on Jan 2, 2020 14:42:07 GMT -5
#Cbadjust Wow, maybe it seems nothing but very speechy diffs ! New zen unquestionable better on gpu load. Gt1 fps is clear indicator for this, gt2 usually shows nice gains from vmem freq, this is why your other run shows a bit more I guess.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 2, 2020 15:02:16 GMT -5
Two boards and two processors are needed to cover the entire 3D range -
Here are the best -
1) Asus Apex VI with I9 - 18 cores 2) Asus Apex XI with I9 - 9900K or f or S.
There are no better solutions CURRENTLY in the market.
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Post by osmiumoc on Jan 2, 2020 15:30:53 GMT -5
Two boards and two processors are needed to cover the entire 3D range - Here are the best - 1) Asus Apex VI with I9 - 18 cores 2) Asus Apex XI with I9 - 9900K or f or S. There are no better solutions CURRENTLY in the market. I can´t vote for or against this statement, as I´m lacking experience. But there is no way two such setups fit in my part-timing budget. The Apex boards are 300$ above the Dark on the vendors I checked today. I´d rather go with the dark and put that 300$ towards the 18 core chip instead of a 10 core. Or a proper memory kit. I don´t yet have 10K to throw around like that. In the end I try to judge by reviews I find. And these rarely show X-OC numbers. So far it seems that with X299 the Asrock OC-F, the EVGA Dark and the Asus Apex are the top three in no particular order, as each has atleast one specific workload where they appear on top. All other boards crap out in either memory support or board latency stuff. And from these three the Dark with the current offer I got is the cheapest. I don´t think it will be huge mistake to go with that.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 2, 2020 16:25:10 GMT -5
Two boards and two processors are needed to cover the entire 3D range - Here are the best - 1) Asus Apex VI with I9 - 18 cores 2) Asus Apex XI with I9 - 9900K or f or S. There are no better solutions CURRENTLY in the market. I can´t vote for or against this statement, as I´m lacking experience. But there is no way two such setups fit in my part-timing budget. The Apex boards are 300$ above the Dark on the vendors I checked today. I´d rather go with the dark and put that 300$ towards the 18 core chip instead of a 10 core. Or a proper memory kit. I don´t yet have 10K to throw around like that. In the end I try to judge by reviews I find. And these rarely show X-OC numbers. So far it seems that with X299 the Asrock OC-F, the EVGA Dark and the Asus Apex are the top three in no particular order, as each has atleast one specific workload where they appear on top. All other boards crap out in either memory support or board latency stuff. And from these three the Dark with the current offer I got is the cheapest. I don´t think it will be huge mistake to go with that. Please re-read.
No one is inside another person's pocket. As Jason correctly says - do your best with what you can afford.
I simply pointed out - for history - what are the best solutions ( since I have extensively tested them all ).
Some 3D benchmarks need many cores, some need the highest possible speed.
But it is only statement. No one is OBLIGED to have such expensive equipment
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Post by osmiumoc on Jan 2, 2020 16:35:34 GMT -5
I get you now. Sorry I got it a bit wrong and took it as personal criticism. I´m so used to getting patronized by everyone and their pet on the internet. Everyone always pushes their suggestions as the one and only true right way, and if you dont follow that they discard you as worthless trash. I´m to used to having to defend every breath I take
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 2, 2020 16:45:38 GMT -5
I get you now. Sorry I got it a bit wrong and took it as personal criticism. I´m so used to getting patronized by everyone and their pet on the internet. Everyone always pushes their suggestions as the one and only true right way, and if you dont follow that they discard you as worthless trash. I´m to used to having to defend every breath I take That is really sad
Only inferior minds loaded with complexes do such nonsense. Sorry to hear
No, our Family here ( Warp9 ) DOES NOT HAVE such members.
Ladies and gents of the highest quality, ready to offer pure help, without ever asking anything for exchange. Devotion to the Team - that is out moto.
Relax here please - feel comfortable.
Bench what you want, when you want and with what you can afford. Simple as that.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Jan 2, 2020 18:33:27 GMT -5
Oh if you can't afford a OCF then get a dark but if you can afford it the OCF is by far the best either that or the Asus x299 as George said I'm just speaking for experience with them
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Post by mythicaltech on Jan 2, 2020 18:37:27 GMT -5
Two boards and two processors are needed to cover the entire 3D range - Here are the best - 1) Asus Apex VI with I9 - 18 cores 2) Asus Apex XI with I9 - 9900K or f or S. There are no better solutions CURRENTLY in the market. I can´t vote for or against this statement, as I´m lacking experience. But there is no way two such setups fit in my part-timing budget. The Apex boards are 300$ above the Dark on the vendors I checked today. I´d rather go with the dark and put that 300$ towards the 18 core chip instead of a 10 core. Or a proper memory kit. I don´t yet have 10K to throw around like that. In the end I try to judge by reviews I find. And these rarely show X-OC numbers. So far it seems that with X299 the Asrock OC-F, the EVGA Dark and the Asus Apex are the top three in no particular order, as each has atleast one specific workload where they appear on top. All other boards crap out in either memory support or board latency stuff. And from these three the Dark with the current offer I got is the cheapest. I don´t think it will be huge mistake to go with that. When I get my dark back from rma I can sell it to you for 250$ + shipping if that price comes out to be less than you can get one where you are.
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Post by mythicaltech on Jan 2, 2020 18:39:22 GMT -5
Oh if you can't afford a OCF then get a dark but if you can afford it the OCF is by far the best either that or the Asus x299 as George said I'm just speaking for experience with them I love my ocf but I took it out of the box again last month to mess around with my 7640x and it would not post. I am going to try to get it working but I don't have high hopes for it. It did not even light up.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Jan 2, 2020 18:56:13 GMT -5
Oh if you can't afford a OCF then get a dark but if you can afford it the OCF is by far the best either that or the Asus x299 as George said I'm just speaking for experience with them I love my ocf but I took it out of the box again last month to mess around with my 7640x and it would not post. I am going to try to get it working but I don't have high hopes for it. It did not even light up. Yeah OCF is a great mobo has mem profiles already setup dark has none of that same with Asus mobo they have profiles which for me work best I have a X299 dark and 2 z390 dark one is a EVT or early version test sample as I beta tested it
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Post by osmiumoc on Jan 3, 2020 10:28:49 GMT -5
When I get my dark back from rma I can sell it to you for 250$ + shipping if that price comes out to be less than you can get one where you are. Thank you so much for that generous offer, but with how shipping overseas works it will end up to be the same price. If they stop it in customs and add the current import fee it would definitly be more expensive. So thank you, but I´ll get it through my local contact.
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Post by bilko on Jan 11, 2020 9:24:12 GMT -5
I agree mate, Impressive score you got there. Gives me hope of being able to squeeze a bit more out of my setup Tightened the memory up and gave it a proper go. I can't match your GPU efficiency mate but it's good enough to be sitting up there hwbot.org/submission/4325228
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 11, 2020 12:10:24 GMT -5
Very Nice Bilko. Your overclocks always impress me! 3800 cas 12 is no joke!!
awesome.
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Post by Vinster on Jan 11, 2020 15:54:41 GMT -5
Have you guys ever seen this website... www.gpucheck.com/ it's cool, will show you the performance and losses id you under-size the CPU with a given GPU... with it I've realized for gaming if I were to upgrade the GPU from a 1080Ti to a 2080Ti but leave my 1700x that I'll have a 15fps hit in performance... that upgrading the CPU to at least a 3600 or 3600x would level off the playing and not lose any performance Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 11, 2020 22:33:40 GMT -5
Nice vin. I went to "can yourun it" to see what games I'd need to upgrade my rig for.... well there's no titles I cannot play XD
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Post by Vinster on Jan 11, 2020 22:44:06 GMT -5
where did you see that?
Vin
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