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Post by mrpaco on Oct 8, 2019 3:31:58 GMT -5
Ok I know I've been absent for a bit, but what the hell is BENCHMATE?
With what benchmark MUST it be used?
With what hardware platform MUST it be used?
With what OS MUST it e used?
I am sure these questions have been asked and answered, but searching the various threads cause the info is scattered gives me at best a partial answer.
Thanx fellas...
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Post by georgekokovinis on Oct 8, 2019 6:41:21 GMT -5
Glad to see you Frank Sincerely hope all is good. Alright, My humble understanding - 1) HWBOT is trying to lessen moderation over submissions ( legit or not legit ). Mat, came up with this solution, BENCHMATE. Benchmate checks for non legit timers ( especially under Windows 10 ). 2) There is no specific benchmark that Benchmate MUST BE USED. Currently it is considered to be in Beta testing. 3) Again, there is no specific OS, that it MUST BE USED. HWBOT has inevitably come to a point of a dead end regarding the use of windows 10. Additionally, AMD's latest, does not work under Win 7 in most cases. So Mat ( a bright mind indeed ) is helping out with benchmate. There is a severe problem though. Legal rights of the owners of the benchmarks. Free benchmarks ( Cinebench ) do not present an issue. Payable benchmarks ( Geekbench - all versions ), FutureMark's 3D and others, can't be used because the companies behind them ( correctly ) raise legal rights issues. So, one foot in, one foot out, currently as I said NOTHING IS OBLIGATORY YET, I personally do not see this effort leading actually anywhere. Probably will make things more complicated and be one more demotivating factor ( as though there are not enough already ) for people to bench.
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Post by mrpaco on Oct 8, 2019 8:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Oct 8, 2019 8:08:55 GMT -5
I didnt know that geekbench had put up a stink about it that puts a big hole in Benchmate then.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Oct 8, 2019 8:19:20 GMT -5
I didnt know that geekbench had put up a stink about it that puts a big hole in Benchmate then. Mr. Pool, owner of the GeekBench software, intervened in the discussion at the BOT.
He CORRECTLY pointed out that nobody can use or integrate HIS software ( which has a cost to buy ), without written permission.
Mat integrated Geekbench in Benchmate without any permission and was obliged to remove it, or face legal consequences.
People are used to spend thousands and thousands of $$$ on HW, but when it comes to SW, everybody feels that even 11 $ are too much for a legit copy of Windows.
I am completely inline with Mr.Pool and I consider such actions childish. There are laws on ownership rights and whether HWBOT is an amusement park or not, nobody can avoid the enforcement of law.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 8, 2019 11:05:54 GMT -5
Yep. Aint gonna pay money for OS that is dated and no longer supported by the manufacturer. My W10 installs are all legit thanks to you and Pete showing me how to get copies for cheap.
Synthetic benchmarks? Pay for them? Why?
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Post by georgekokovinis on Oct 8, 2019 13:30:23 GMT -5
Yep. Aint gonna pay money for OS that is dated and no longer supported by the manufacturer. My W10 installs are all legit thanks to you and Pete showing me how to get copies for cheap. Synthetic benchmarks? Pay for them? Why?Because these three versions of Geekbench belong to his company. The company ( rightfully or not ) decided to sell these and not give them for free.
I can also ask why does Futuremark sells their 3D ( and not only ) benchmarks and not give them out for free.
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 8, 2019 13:45:20 GMT -5
Actually both companies do give them out for free just limit function. All the early 3D benches are in my view public domain as Futuremark made the keys available to all as I remember.
I do own all that I bench so I bring up a point of my use if I want to run it from BM I should have the choice. As for Matt doing the bundle thing I can see the companies complaint.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Oct 8, 2019 13:58:52 GMT -5
Actually both companies do give them out for free just limit function. All the early 3D benches are in my view public domain as Futuremark made the keys available to all as I remember. I do own all that I bench so I bring up a point of my use if I want to run it from BM I should have the choice. As for Matt doing the bundle thing I can see the companies complaint. Limited function. Yes Brad, absolutely correct. In other words, test it and if you like it, buy it.
BTW, recently I bought Geek 5. With 50% discount, introductory price. Less than 5$.
Now listen to that folks - UNBELIEVABLE.
Run the benchmark. You have the option to save the result either with Geekbench 5 file, CSV, HTML or TXT. Now you go to HWBOT and wish to submit the bench. YOU CANT ! HWBOT is asking for a valid file to upload. ALL FOUR saved formats are INVALID for HWBOT. So there is no way to upload a result !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Coincidental mistake or something else, because Mr. Pool pulled the string from Matt's Benchmate.
Now, are these things childish or not ?
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 8, 2019 14:24:50 GMT -5
I'm taking the valid file was supposed to come from BM?
Statement removed as it wasn't factual
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 8, 2019 16:05:00 GMT -5
Yep. Aint gonna pay money for OS that is dated and no longer supported by the manufacturer. My W10 installs are all legit thanks to you and Pete showing me how to get copies for cheap. Synthetic benchmarks? Pay for them? Why?Because these three versions of Geekbench belong to his company. The company ( rightfully or not ) decided to sell these and not give them for free.
I can also ask why does Futuremark sells their 3D ( and not only ) benchmarks and not give them out for free.
Well my 3DMark vantage was free..... legit copy and everything, generally comes with that expensive hardware you talk about
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Oct 8, 2019 16:38:06 GMT -5
Ah well it just means Geekbench cant be done on AMD with W10. Futuremark has its own timer check so Benchmate is not needed there.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 8, 2019 19:27:59 GMT -5
I just don't see a big reason for the need of something like Benchmate. There's obvious individuals that you'd want to keep an eye on. Still tons and tons of BS submissions at HWBot any ways, so benchmate won't be any kind of soon to come cure all. It's not like there's a lot of people submitting anymore. I have this funny feeling, those days are long gone now. You guys are the last of this breed scattered along a few teams. Let's face it, there's only really ONE single team that poses a threat to Warp9 in any way shape or form lol.
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 8, 2019 20:22:09 GMT -5
Concern over cheating is another aspect of Benchmate per my understanding and is trying to become the one platform for all benches like the wrappers created for AM3 & Heaven. It also makes W10 and maybe 8/8.1 usable for AMD who didn't address the the timer issue in their new CPUs. Intel chips pre Skylake have the problem also but can run W7 so not a big deal for folks like us. Folks new to this past time at this point in time are going to be more dependent on W10 (it might be faster on old platforms?). The more that get interested the better, there are only a few of the benches you can run on W10 AMD now without having the scores pulled so I'm sure it's turning off a bunch of newbie AMD users as well as some new to it older cpu Intel users.
If it is implemented the Benchmate categories will disappear as it would only be used on specific hardware competing against the same hardware just like it is now. Although now you can run an Intel CPU in both categories. It was supposed to work on W7 but I don't know why you would want more crap running in the background.
Actually it's a good thing (maybe) time will tell.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 8, 2019 21:12:31 GMT -5
I think it's a good thing indeed. I just think it's about 10 years too late....
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Post by georgekokovinis on Oct 9, 2019 7:47:19 GMT -5
Today, I had, out of pure curiosity, a look at the thread at HWBOT, regarding Benchmate. Seems that the whole issue has started turning into a vendetta between Matt and the creator-owner of Geekbench series of SW. Go over there and have a look. Looking at the forest and not the tree, I get the strong feeling that HWBOT and its collaborators, THINK that they are on top of this world and EVERY ONE ELSE must adjust to them. Either be Intel ( XTU gone ), AMD ( multiple times accused for not working and caring for HWBOT, Futuremark for not accepting LOD tricks, Geekbench and GOD knows what else I can't recall. Maybe HWBOT tries to hide its head in the sand, avoiding to SEE the truth, following a blame game for its personal incompetence. HWBOT does not see the vastly diminishing interest for benching. Team Cup unveiled a big truth. 129 benchers from top 10 Teams. Period. Currently, Challenger III, has a ridiculously low participation. And like Mafia gangs during the "no alcohol" ages, vendettas surfaced, openly challenging each other. Again the same pattern. Our way or piss off. I am kind of getting tired trying to continuously adjust to the irrational way-approach of things. And certainly strongly demotivated. BIG SHAME
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 9, 2019 10:19:12 GMT -5
Just sit back and enjoy the ride George. Most of this is well beyond any control, gotta let it unfold and see what happens.
Im gonna just keep trying to have fun and submit scores where possible and not let the stuff bother me.
Just want to have fun without too many complications.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Oct 9, 2019 11:53:17 GMT -5
Just sit back and enjoy the ride George. Most of this is well beyond any control, gotta let it unfold and see what happens. Im gonna just keep trying to have fun and submit scores where possible and not let the stuff bother me. Just want to have fun without too many complications. Yeap
Some of the purest and best advice ever. Moving to the side lines for a while. See how it evolves.
I will be right here to help out when and where needed. But that is about it.
BTW :
community.hwbot.org/topic/191517-geekbench-5/
The Titans ( lol ) colliding in the fight for the survival of the UNIVERSE - Ahahahahaha - GTFO morons.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Oct 9, 2019 18:12:32 GMT -5
I just went and read it all no need me posting there is enough idiots in there now. I can see both sides of the argument. Geekbench its an Ok bench I dont run it all that often though so I am easy either way weather they take points from it or not. Benchmate it has its purpose for W10 I usually use W7 so not worried about it too much for now.
They will sort the shit fight out one way or another weather its good or bad.
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Post by Bones on Oct 9, 2019 19:51:20 GMT -5
Not getting into any further comments myself, it's gonna be what it's gonna be without me involved and that's a good thing.
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Post by cbjaust on Oct 10, 2019 6:17:55 GMT -5
I think overall the idea of BenchMate use in Windows 10 on AMD and older Intel platforms to mitigate the timer skews is a really good thing. It makes using Windows 10 which seems to be the OS of choice as we move into the future much easier for all and sundry, especially those new to the OC Life™
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Post by georgekokovinis on Oct 10, 2019 8:40:33 GMT -5
I think overall the idea of BenchMate use in Windows 10 on AMD and older Intel platforms to mitigate the timer skews is a really good thing. It makes using Windows 10 which seems to be the OS of choice as we move into the future much easier for all and sundry, especially those new to the OC Life™ Certainly
But this the scientific approach of an admirable effort ( Matt ).
The GLOBAL view, as so sarcastically described by me, indicates that all sides approach the same issue under a very narrow and egoistic and childish prism.
The roots go back 10 years +++.
Everyone in the know and old member understands.
The building stands on a totally wrong and badly manufactured substructure.
NOTHING has or will ever cure this formulation consisting of so many fundamental mistakes.
As so many friends said, relax, let it go away ( one way or another ), if we all wish to have fun and bench a bit.
Bottom-line, if the substructure decides at some point to fall apart, under the weight of accumulated garbage sitting on it, then...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 6:25:31 GMT -5
Today, I had, out of pure curiosity, a look at the thread at HWBOT, regarding Benchmate. Seems that the whole issue has started turning into a vendetta between Matt and the creator-owner of Geekbench series of SW. Go over there and have a look. Looking at the forest and not the tree, I get the strong feeling that HWBOT and its collaborators, THINK that they are on top of this world and EVERY ONE ELSE must adjust to them. Either be Intel ( XTU gone ), AMD ( multiple times accused for not working and caring for HWBOT, Futuremark for not accepting LOD tricks, Geekbench and GOD knows what else I can't recall. Maybe HWBOT tries to hide its head in the sand, avoiding to SEE the truth, following a blame game for its personal incompetence. HWBOT does not see the vastly diminishing interest for benching. Team Cup unveiled a big truth. 129 benchers from top 10 Teams. Period. Currently, Challenger III, has a ridiculously low participation. And like Mafia gangs during the "no alcohol" ages, vendettas surfaced, openly challenging each other. Again the same pattern. Our way or piss off. I am kind of getting tired trying to continuously adjust to the irrational way-approach of things. And certainly strongly demotivated. BIG SHAME Yup sad sad participation. Benchmate might be the solution. All I hear all the time promote OC .. is I'm just after a good OC setting for my gaming Dying breed indeed
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 6:35:30 GMT -5
I think overall the idea of BenchMate use in Windows 10 on AMD and older Intel platforms to mitigate the timer skews is a really good thing. It makes using Windows 10 which seems to be the OS of choice as we move into the future much easier for all and sundry, especially those new to the OC Life™ Certainly
But this the scientific approach of an admirable effort ( Matt ).
The GLOBAL view, as so sarcastically described by me, indicates that all sides approach the same issue under a very narrow and egoistic and childish prism.
The roots go back 10 years +++.
Everyone in the know and old member understands.
The building stands on a totally wrong and badly manufactured substructure.
NOTHING has or will ever cure this formulation consisting of so many fundamental mistakes.
As so many friends said, relax, let it go away ( one way or another ), if we all wish to have fun and bench a bit.
Bottom-line, if the substructure decides at some point to fall apart, under the weight of accumulated garbage sitting on it, then...
You write with heart George I always liked that. Well maybe NOT before I knew you well & you were the arch nemesis writing Hwbot Mat & benchmate can get going just with like beta benches. Not forget Splave & some others pushing this in the background. Needed is EASY of the newcomers. I'm Mat's 2nd supporter $$ every month. You want participation going forward OR a fucken dead hobby
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Post by Mr.Scott on Oct 14, 2019 15:26:38 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, it's already a near dead hobby. Everything is being geared to W10. That throws all the legacy hardware and benchs to the curb. The major issue is the site owner needs a kick in the ass to fix his shit. Also, mods need to institute some fucking punishment the the already known cheats that are still at large.......and stop sorting leagues by fucking temp, that nobody can possibly prove.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 14, 2019 15:42:21 GMT -5
It's a shame and agree 100%.
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Post by Aleslammer on Oct 14, 2019 15:48:25 GMT -5
It started in the forums and will survive in the forums.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 2:11:54 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, it's already a near dead hobby. Everything is being geared to W10. That throws all the legacy hardware and benchs to the curb. The major issue is the site owner needs a kick in the ass to fix his shit. Also, mods need to institute some fucking punishment the the already known cheats that are still at large.......and stop sorting leagues by fucking temp, that nobody can possibly prove. Just seems as comp after comp lately ... how much participation is there 100 overclockers, or like average 10 per team. Both could exist. A legacy archive & the benchmate for the new kiddies. This guy taught by Karta, #46 world now. We can take a newcomer under the wing & teach them up. 2000 of us becomes > 4000. hwbot.org/user/jordan_hyde99/Just need the right student keen to learn. Been thinking on a workshop idea for my town, like a meet & greet to show OC Get me a padawan or two
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 2:16:35 GMT -5
... as for that donkey PKBO. He best leave HWbot with his cheating ways. Every time he's posting shit throwing up scores, I want to drive my work boot into him. Cheating scores no other enthusiast can achieve ambient entrenched hwbot archive forever
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Post by Bones on Oct 15, 2019 3:33:24 GMT -5
The newbies have a liking for XTU even though it's points have been disabled. What else explains why entries for that shit-fest bench keep popping up?
Not many of the young kids want to do much of anything else aside from XTU anyway.
The bot knows and inspite of it being what it is the bot is still accepting entries and now testing a Beta of the new version. Probrably gonna be the same shit with different stripes.
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