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Post by Vinster on Jun 23, 2016 18:36:32 GMT -5
I'm picking up this AC unit tomorrow. ( www.danby.com/products/portable-air-conditioners/spac120081/) $100. will either use it on my 2nd floor where the Central air doesn't do very well. Or to cool my water loop.... guys have any suggestions? I was thinking of making a box to hold my rad and res and blowing the cold air in it and make it slightly pressurized... Thoughts?    Vin |
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Post by ozz on Jun 23, 2016 19:50:16 GMT -5
vin thats an air COOLER not an air CONDITIONER from what i see in the link, and it works on ice or cold water ? then from ambient air temp thru it right ? or is it an actual air conditioner ?
hoping my comment wasnt taken the wrong way , apologise if it was , personally i think your radiator in a tub of ice with no fans of course, will give you better temps, my temps in my set up gives me a water temp from about 2-4c, but cpu temp is a different story, around 15-20 c+ under load even though the water gets to say 5c in the res, i know i can always add 10 - 15c to cpu temp and its about right coz i have a probe on top of the water block and between the water temp probe in the res and the probe on the water block its about 10 - 15c difference and its hard to check when you go into bios coz theres no load anymore on the cpu and i dont want to run a temp monitor program when i bench something, so overall i get about a 10 -15c difference depending on what bench of course and the work load
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Post by Vinster on Jun 23, 2016 21:56:09 GMT -5
check the link, it's a 12,000BTU Air Conditioner (one of the biggest ones you can get really). I'm thinking of putting the rad and res in a cooler and plumb the chilled air in it, then that cold air will flow through the rad and chill the res too.
That's my thought, use it as an air chiller. My water temp rides between 22-25 degrees, I'm hoping that the this setup might help me get near 15 degrees.
I'd use straight Ice in my res, but I'm running a distilled/prestone mix and don't want to clog it up with normal water.
I'm seeing 5,500 to 8,000 BTU AC unit's for $50... is it a lot of work to convert one to a cascade? my neighbor is an HVAC guy....
Vin
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jun 24, 2016 2:17:53 GMT -5
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Post by ozz on Jun 24, 2016 2:45:47 GMT -5
all good vinnie, hoping it goes great for you  |
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Post by mrpaco on Jun 24, 2016 7:49:51 GMT -5
Vin I like where youre going with the idea. Awhile back I took a portable A/C and placed my RAD directly on the vent area and the thing worked fantastic except for two things, CONDENSATION. It was for me at the time uncontrollable and the POWER-USAGE running the a/c unit wife had a fit.
Just 2 things to consider.
Pete a question; I really like that How-To A/C link, But would that still be considered WATER-COOLING ?
Or would that fall under the category for EXTREME COOLING like Cascade/phase n such because of the temps that can be reached?
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Post by Aleslammer on Jun 24, 2016 8:23:32 GMT -5
I have a 9000 BTU unit that I'm going to use in the house on my rads, was only good for 4 to 5c in the garage but the ducting was nothing more than towels held in place with duct tape and the unit was dumping the hot side back into the garage so not a good test. Did use one a few years ago thing got cold enough to form condensation around the air outlet I had next to the vga I was playing with and spray the card with water droplets.
That's a Apprentice league cooling, nice water chiller though.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jun 24, 2016 8:25:38 GMT -5
Pete a question; I really like that How-To A/C link, But would that still be considered WATER-COOLING ? Or would that fall under the category for EXTREME COOLING like Cascade/phase n such because of the temps that can be reached? It falls under chilled water. It keeps you in Apprentice. Very similar to what I use. |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jun 24, 2016 9:06:39 GMT -5
I would like to see a pic of yours and Chris's Could be something for Shane it wouldnt be much dearer than all the ice he makes  and it would be cooler. |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jun 24, 2016 9:19:25 GMT -5
Yes. Shane most definitely could use this to his advantage. You guys could have one of these running in an hour. Just need a window a/c you know works.
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Post by Vinster on Jun 24, 2016 12:04:30 GMT -5
I was reading a post similar to this... I like this idea better.... I'm installing this big unit on my second floor now, kids need it more than I do, but I'm on the hunt for a an 8000-10000 window unit to do just this.... and it's still water cooling... as it's water cooling the block at the CPU/GPU... if it was gas.... then that's exotic.  Vin |
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Post by mrpaco on Jun 24, 2016 12:08:21 GMT -5
Pete a question; I really like that How-To A/C link, But would that still be considered WATER-COOLING ? Or would that fall under the category for EXTREME COOLING like Cascade/phase n such because of the temps that can be reached? It falls under chilled water. It keeps you in Apprentice. Very similar to what I use. So using this method and getting those low temps would knock me out of ENTHUSIAST and put me in APPRENTICE even though its still just cold water? Strange... |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jun 24, 2016 12:36:26 GMT -5
It falls under chilled water. It keeps you in Apprentice. Very similar to what I use. So using this method and getting those low temps would knock me out of ENTHUSIAST and put me in APPRENTICE even though its still just cold water? Strange... Yes. It's their new rules that I lobbied hard against and lost. Reason I was against?, no possible way to prove the temp of water being used. Their new rules actually promote more ways to cheat. |
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Post by mrpaco on Jun 24, 2016 12:51:25 GMT -5
Next running straight from your house tap to your block like Jon's done before will be considered EXTREME.
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Post by Aleslammer on Jun 24, 2016 13:31:55 GMT -5
I bumped up to avoid any future problems, couple a folks were talking anything below the normal house comfort zone was cheating in the EL!
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Post by mrpaco on Jun 24, 2016 14:36:20 GMT -5
Dont mean to hijack your thread VIN...Will put it back on track . Looking at this: ![]() ![]()  They are saying ENTHUSIASTS are AIR-COOLING and CHILLED-WATER & DICE are APPRENTICE. How can you compare DICE cooling to COLD-WATER cooling?!?! Am I missing something? So me with my bucket of ICE CUBES pumping cold water to my cpu-block is considered APPRENTICE. Scott &/or anyone else who understands the bot algorithm better than me; Let me know if its beneficial for me &/or the team if I move to APPRENTICE or just stay ENTHUSIAST. |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jun 24, 2016 14:50:01 GMT -5
It doesn't matter team wise because we're still small. Personally, I would just keep doing what you're doing unless we get called on it. As I said, there is no way to prove water temp. Just don't go posting a rig pic on a chiller for an Enthusiast comp.
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Post by Vinster on Jun 24, 2016 16:03:29 GMT -5
It doesn't matter team wise because we're still small. Personally, I would just keep doing what you're doing unless we get called on it. As I said, there is no way to prove water temp. Just don't go posting a rig pic on a chiller for an Enthusiast comp. x2... it's water.... could fall in a custom water loop... but that's how I'd leave it. I'm already an Apprentice, so it's all the same for me. But I agree... chilled water is not DICE... but when people like TIN getting to -35 degrees C on "Water" (it's not water below zero)... but then you're closer to getting to the DICE temps. my average DICE running temps were between -35 to -55... unloaded I got lucky getting to -65. Vin |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jun 24, 2016 16:24:16 GMT -5
I can get to -20c if I push mine hard. I average -10 to 0c.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jun 24, 2016 18:54:26 GMT -5
It falls under chilled water. It keeps you in Apprentice. Very similar to what I use. So using this method and getting those low temps would knock me out of ENTHUSIAST and put me in APPRENTICE even though its still just cold water? Strange... Frank you are 21st in Enthusiast if you were to go into Apprentice you would be 16th. I know it sounds strange being in the higher league and ranked higher but there are less people in Apprentice but its harder to get to the the top of apprentice and your worldwide rank wouldnt change. It doesnt make any difference what league you are in your team points and league points dont change its more a title than anything but there are comps that are limited to Enthusiast. The reason the apprentice league was made was because of the Asus comps for Enthusiasts there was one or 2 people winning all of them and their clocks and scores were indicating that they were using a bit more than normal water cooling. You can use ice cooled water but you are only going to get so much out of it with a good CPU its fairly easy to see that they were doing more than that like cooling the water to -20 or more which you wont get with ice in a bucket. As Scotty said its impossible for them to actually prove anything hell if someone is dishonest they can take a pic with a water block on it then strip it down and put a dice pot on and just clock as high as they need without overdoing it who is to know. I actually applaud the bots efforts to try to clamp down on the cheats even if its virtually impossible to do and maybe they could of done it better but they are trying. I actually never tried ice water I just went from Water to Dice and now LN2. It is a lot more work setting up for sub zero and I do miss the ease of just setting up and running the benches it is quick and easy. But the high clocks and fast benches with Sub zero is a big blast and totally worth it. |
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Post by Vinster on Jun 24, 2016 20:48:21 GMT -5
I ran Ice water before...   There is a separator between the left and right side that goes top to bottom...  Got to 0 degrees with this thing.... a few bags of ice and a strainer to keep chunks out of the pump. I can throw near anything at this and it doesn't bad an eye... Still have it... Vin |
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Post by ozz on Jun 24, 2016 21:41:04 GMT -5
vinnie did you post this on cp b4 coz i remember that y fitting you have in the pic im sure, think i said a lot of work in that but hey if it gets the results why not  |
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Post by Vinster on Jun 25, 2016 11:20:24 GMT -5
vinnie did you post this on cp b4 coz i remember that y fitting you have in the pic im sure, think i said a lot of work in that but hey if it gets the results why not I'm sure I have... I called it the water monster.. it was a great unit... it's just really hard to setup and adds a lot of weight on the MB. MB warp was easy with this unit. one of the main reasons I stopped using it. Vin |
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Post by Vinster on Jun 25, 2016 11:42:21 GMT -5
I'm looking at another 10,000BTU unit... another $100... but also just realized I'll have to waterproof my board too... doh!..
Better get started.. lol
Vin
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Post by Vinster on Jul 8, 2016 19:45:46 GMT -5
sooo... I picked up an AC unit. was advertised as a 220VAC/1phase/10,000BTU unit for $100... Get there and it's this   The front rad lines run on the top left which is a big score in dropping it in a cooler It works, not as good as I think it should, but I'll be txt'ing my neighbor and see if he can recharge it. he's an HVAC guy... thermostat controls on the from work too, so I can use that to regulate the water temps.... But this puppy is a biggie... so what do you think? too much? Vin |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 8, 2016 20:18:33 GMT -5
Too much Naaaa the more the better and you are going to regulate it
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Post by Vinster on Jul 8, 2016 20:22:36 GMT -5
recharge is out of the question. Neighbor can do it, but R22 out here is $7/oz + $100 recycling fee. this unit needs 35oz... Not worth putting another $350 in this thing...
Vin
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Post by cjgdsgrc50 on Jul 9, 2016 8:21:45 GMT -5
I would like to see a pic of yours and Chris's Could be something for Shane it wouldnt be much dearer than all the ice he makes and it would be cooler. When I am home later I will throw up some pics. It was very simple to throw together. I beleive the a/c unit I used was 9 or 10 thousand BTU. Pump is a submersible from Home Depot like $30 and I think it is a 20 gallon cooler. I use Prestone De-Icer and it will idle at around -20c. I have it sealed pretty good. I can shut it off and start benching the next night and it will still start off around 0c even if it is 30c in the room. |
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Post by Vinster on Jul 9, 2016 11:43:11 GMT -5
Did an air temp test. ran it on high and blocked the air output and this wsa the lowest temp I got  Hoping that once I have it apart I can bypass the thermostat or circumvent it enough to run a little colder. Neighbor said this unit should be running near 19F (-7 C). me at 1.5C is close All the recharge ports are braised closed. so recharging this would had been more complicated that I was expecting. Here is a pic of the plumbing  Vin |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jul 9, 2016 11:55:53 GMT -5
You can bypass the thermostat easily. Add jumper wire so it runs full out all the time.
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and it would be cooler.
