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Nov 14, 2016 20:01:52 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 14, 2016 20:01:52 GMT -5
LOL yall guys crack me up
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Nov 14, 2016 20:03:52 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 14, 2016 20:03:52 GMT -5
always a laugh and a bit of a dig happenin in here man
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 14, 2016 20:41:25 GMT -5
Some leaks appearing. I see some good and some bad here. Sources: www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ils_about_zen/semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=276317&postcount=4135semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=276324&postcount=4139carbonite.co.za/f20/amd-zen-141214/Notes: There are some errata issues present in the current testing samples, similar in a way to the TLB bug of the Phenom. The workaround right now is done via the BIOS. The workaround however, strips around 30 ~ 40% of the CPU performance. The CPUs are well behind schedule and every day there's real progress and bug fixing being done. Unlike with INTEL's E0 CPUs which make it to the wild that are almost completely final silicon. AMD's samples will continue to get bug fixes right up until retail spec sampling to partners. In August Clock speeds were 3.8GHz, right now 4.2GHz overclocking is possible, with LN2 5GHz is doable. Again this will change of course, but it is just the current silicon that is behaving like this. AM4/ZEN uses an SOC design, that means even CMOS/BIOS configuration is on package (not necessarily on silicon, I can't confirm this) so it is possible to clear the "BIOS" and still have old value applied 30 minutes later. How this will be addressed remains to be seen. Perhaps it won't be the same scenario for final silicon Operating voltages (nominal) are 1.3v and all the way up to 1.5v should be fine it seems for AIO cooling. Frequency scaling isn't a strong point but again that may have everything to do with the process at this point rather than an inherent design limitation. Performance is particularly strong at this point vs. INTEL's latest offerings. Single thread performance is matching Haswell-E and of course multi-threading performance as well. Tests that are memory bandwidth dependent may go to the INTEL platform simply as a result of having more memory channels, but I can't confirm that right now and have no info on that. The important thing here is that the 16Thread/8-Core CPU is minimum 5960X performance if not better actually. (Based on Cinebench R15) with the error fix disabled. Can't speak to how well the IMC is working as current samples are locked to low DRAM frequencies (2133MHz and lower) and of course this has an impact on performance. As stated in the beginning, every week is progress and AMD is working at an unprecedented rate to get these ready by March. You're unlikely to see any high end boards for the CPUs prior to launch or at launch, simply because no vendors can commit to too much right now as plenty is changing at a rapid rate. All overclocking is done via Overdrive, you can't change any performance features at all in the BIOS (on to that next) at all. BIOS or UEFI is actually built into the CPU, so only AMD can update the "BIOS" or microcode. All overclocking must take place within the Operating system Right now it takes up to 30 minutes to clear the BIOS. If you remove the CPU and place it on another motherboard, it'll have the same settings applied as on the previous board. So debugging is a nightmare 6850K SKU (May not be final designation) is wait for it.... $300 roughly. That's 8 Cores and 16 Threads AMD's Hyper Threading is called SMU and it is ************ good. The same efficiency as Intel's HT. Performance is really good, be it SuperPi, Cinebench, 3DMark etc, it's FPU performance is incredibly good and easily matching that of what Intel offers. Current performance is staggering even though it is limited to 2133MHz (as mentioned before) and NorthBridge Frequency is limited to 2400MHz There will be a nigher SKU than the 6850K, but it is a higher bin so it will certainly overclock better than 6850K and that may carry a premium price, but unlikely to be double. There's plenty of excitement from all board vendors about the platform, so we will see how it all pans out. (Especially with the hot mess that INTEL has in store for us H2 2017, that we can leave to another thread) For Gaming, the CPU is neck and neck with INTEL, even at low res where CPU bound. Not all is correct, but the important stuff seems relatively accurate
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Nov 14, 2016 20:58:49 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 14, 2016 20:58:49 GMT -5
looks half legit lol all I can say is lets see what consumers actually get in the end I hope it brings intel prices down for sure
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Nov 14, 2016 21:01:11 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 14, 2016 21:01:11 GMT -5
very interesting scotty, i dont like the idea of the memory being locked at 2133 and lower, one would think if theyre going to produce something like the zen series cpus they would allow it to utilise every bit of memory they can throw at it
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Nov 14, 2016 21:04:16 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 14, 2016 21:04:16 GMT -5
I thought I read somewhere it is supposed to be 2400mhz but dont quote me on that
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Nov 14, 2016 21:12:12 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 14, 2016 21:12:12 GMT -5
2400 is still not good enough, should be up towards the 4000 mark, theyre gettin 3600+ mhz now in some ddr4 mem sticks
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Nov 14, 2016 21:15:51 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 14, 2016 21:15:51 GMT -5
Nothing is finalized yet, and AMD is not Intel. The IMC's are not the same.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:17:54 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 14, 2016 21:17:54 GMT -5
Nothing is finalized yet, and AMD is not Intel. The IMC's are not the same. what sort of memory speed would you expect to be a respectable speed of it scotty ?
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Nov 14, 2016 21:26:16 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 14, 2016 21:26:16 GMT -5
Nothing is finalized yet, and AMD is not Intel. The IMC's are not the same. what sort of memory speed would you expect to be a respectable speed of it scotty ? No idea what to expect. No expectations, no disappointments. I would like to see 3000 with timings on the tight side. Base SPD for DDR4 is 2133 BTW. Even for Intel.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:33:59 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 14, 2016 21:33:59 GMT -5
what sort of memory speed would you expect to be a respectable speed of it scotty ? No idea what to expect. No expectations, no disappointments. I would like to see 3000 with timings on the tight side. Base SPD for DDR4 is 2133 BTW. Even for Intel. ok righto, well its gunna be a waiting game, somehow i dont think AMD would spend all this money on ZEN to try win back the buying public and motherboard manufacturers support for their cpu then go limit it to a base mem clock speed, i dont see the sense in it, they want to beat intel not bloody just tag along for the ride and hope it goes well for em, thats my take on it, coz if it was me that certainly what my aim would be
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Nov 14, 2016 21:44:41 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 14, 2016 21:44:41 GMT -5
They never had any intention of 'beating' Intel. Comparable product at a cheaper price will sell more. That's the name of the game...making money. Bragging rights don't pay the bills.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:59:12 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 14, 2016 21:59:12 GMT -5
They never had any intention of 'beating' Intel. Comparable product at a cheaper price will sell more. That's the name of the game...making money. Bragging rights don't pay the bills. wel i spose scotty if they can be comparable and cheaper as youve put it, they get their leg in again and gain some market back, its been a long time comin tho
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Nov 15, 2016 1:13:39 GMT -5
Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 15, 2016 1:13:39 GMT -5
300$ for the performance of a 5960X... Hmm... I have never-ever found in my life a product of any kind, with value at a low price ( 35% of a 5960X ).
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Nov 15, 2016 1:29:17 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 15, 2016 1:29:17 GMT -5
I would like to see that if they do I will be trying to sell a testicle to get me an upgrade lol
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Nov 15, 2016 4:07:52 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 15, 2016 4:07:52 GMT -5
Interesting read there Scotty some of it sounds Ok the price just doesnt seem to fit though. If right it could put AMD back in business thats for sure even if it doesnt overclock great or isnt as fast as intel the main business for them is not in overclocking or gaming. Its in efficient workstations and business computers an 8 core 16 thread cpu that costs a third of the intel equivalent makes for cheap powerful office computers for content creation and the like. I an not going to say anything about how I think it could go I dont really like speculation, I used to read the Overclock.net speculation threads once upon a time and just laugh at people's predictions. I will wait to see the numbers when it comes out but at the price I will probably be buying one. I am interested in seeing how Vega goes too that does sound interesting.
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Nov 15, 2016 10:15:55 GMT -5
Post by Vinster on Nov 15, 2016 10:15:55 GMT -5
if it's comparable to a 5960x then I'm interested as that's a descent upgrade from my 980x...
Vin
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Nov 18, 2016 8:35:11 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 18, 2016 8:35:11 GMT -5
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Nov 18, 2016 9:42:06 GMT -5
Post by Vinster on Nov 18, 2016 9:42:06 GMT -5
good price point... Bios on board the CPU is making me scratch my head though...
Vin
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Nov 18, 2016 10:08:49 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 18, 2016 10:08:49 GMT -5
yea $250-$500 aint too bad
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 18, 2016 15:58:28 GMT -5
good price point... Bios on board the CPU is making me scratch my head though... Vin Apparently The Stilt and others have debunked that as bullshit. The price is great though.
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Post by zila1 on Nov 18, 2016 21:10:32 GMT -5
I just could not wrap my head around that on-chip bios thing. I really do hope that is not the case.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:20:54 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 18, 2016 21:20:54 GMT -5
To be honest I couldnt see it being that way anyway like are you going to turn off peripherals like 1394, audio, and that sort of thing if the bios is in the CPU. A lot of bios features are board related. And different boards have different bios features depending on what the features the board has. The only way I could see a CPU bios is if there are 2 bios's one for the board and one for CPU overclocking which I dont see really happening. Everything is still rumour mill at the moment I take everything I read with a grain of salt until its out in the wild. Pete
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Nov 22, 2016 13:05:18 GMT -5
Post by mistone on Nov 22, 2016 13:05:18 GMT -5
Lmao Pete. I get what you mean i'm kind of hyped for ZEN. Would get one for my daily as soon as the good motherboards start coming out. Always been a bit more on the AMD side of things. Intel is really going for power efficency and I/O improvements which is obviously great but right now i got an 8320 in my daily and was never bothered with how much power it's eating up... *edit, forgot to quote george about the 25 years younger friend who thinks he's the computer god
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Nov 27, 2016 19:25:03 GMT -5
Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 27, 2016 19:25:03 GMT -5
Lmao Pete. I get what you mean i'm kind of hyped for ZEN. Would get one for my daily as soon as the good motherboards start coming out. Always been a bit more on the AMD side of things. Intel is really going for power efficency and I/O improvements which is obviously great but right now i got an 8320 in my daily and was never bothered with how much power it's eating up... *edit, forgot to quote george about the 25 years younger friend who thinks he's the computer god Meh the FX series aren't that bad with power draw. Just think into comparison to Phenom II quads at the 125W TDP you have double the cores. With ZEN it will be the same core count but double the threads. \ I dislike comparing Intel to AMD for many many reasons. But what stands out is AMD's ability to try new and oddity designs while Intel seems to keep on the same path with little changes besides the shrink tick then tock method. Both companies bring plenty of offerings to the table on the other hand. My XBOX does not have an Intel chip. Nor the Play Station. That's a good thing. AMD's nice strong APU line up with them powerful IGPUs installed. Good stuff. ZEN. Will it get released in January?? Or another delay??
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Nov 29, 2016 17:34:45 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 29, 2016 17:34:45 GMT -5
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Nov 29, 2016 18:13:12 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Vinster on Nov 29, 2016 18:13:12 GMT -5
Signed up. Hope is don't miss it Vin
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Dec 8, 2016 0:15:39 GMT -5
Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 8, 2016 0:15:39 GMT -5
5 days 15 hours. Going to try and sneak away from the wrench to watch it.
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Dec 8, 2016 6:52:37 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 8, 2016 6:52:37 GMT -5
I would like to watch it myself if I get the chance.
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Dec 8, 2016 20:28:20 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Dec 8, 2016 20:28:20 GMT -5
just had a look and went to sign up but you have to tick the box to allow other amd and gaming stuff to be sent to be viable to get the live stream, what i dont want is my inbox full of AMD advertising, which i think thats what people will get
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