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Nov 13, 2016 16:36:13 GMT -5
Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 13, 2016 16:36:13 GMT -5
So it would be safe to assume that the Zen CPU was in the 4.8-5.0 range to score 2000? That's a pretty good overclock for a chip that's supposed to start at the 3.2-3.6 range. More or less, I would agree with this hypothesis Scotty
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Nov 13, 2016 16:41:56 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 16:41:56 GMT -5
I am going by intels tick-tock pattern they go by the big improvements to it will be in Skylake-X for one 6950x is 1st gen HEDT cpu with 10c/20t so there will be improvements 2nd broadwell-e uses WAY too much power the 6800k barely hits 4.4ghz with 1.45v my 5820k hits 4.5ghz with less voltage 1.25v that causes serious heat for normal everyday use that was what I meant when they can bring the voltage back down then I would be happy I understand where you are coming from the 6950x is a great CPU and you are talking dice too I am talking everyday use here the best I have seen is 4.3ghz with a 6950x on water when we get to skylake-x you will see what I am talking about hopefully they fix the voltage issue cause IMO for everyday use that is way too high Well, yes and no. All processors are not the same. I have a 5820K that does 4.5ghz core with 1.10V on a simple EKWB AIO ( EK 240 ). There is silicon and silicon. There are 6950X that will not do 4.2ghz and there are very few that do 4.6ghz with less than 1.45V on a two triple radiator setup and a D5 pump. No cold water. Huge margins there.
A friend of mine got a golden 6800K by mere luck, which runs 4.7ghz with the above mentioned water setup, and 1.42V. No heat issues whatsoever. Max is 72c ( Prime 95 1344 small FFT's - 1 hour ). I have seen Skylake I7-6700k ( more than 20 have passed from my hands ), do 4.7ghz at 1.48V !!!!! and on the other hand I have kept two pieces with Vid1.20V and 1.1950V respectively that do - 1) 5.1ghz core 4.9ghz cache on a Maximus VIII extreme with 1.48V ( simple water cooling ) 2) 5.8ghz core, 5.5ghz cache on Dice with 1.65V.
It is all in the silicon
yeah you are right there I guess that is why they call it the silicon lottery lol that is a nice 5820k and 6800k I can get 4.6ghz outta mine with a corsair h100i gtx the thing rad 240mm I hit like 70c-72c with it at 1.35v and I could run that everyday but I backed it down to the 4.5ghz to keep it below 70c that is my daily use PC for gaming and other stuff I run benchmarks with it atm just to get them outta the way its a great everyday CPU I will say that
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Nov 13, 2016 17:11:25 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 17:11:25 GMT -5
Interesting they are going to be 8core 16 thread? There are multiple versions. 4c/8t 6c/12t 8c/16t and the Naples version that I want @ 16c/32t There is also a full compliment of APU's. This is not a small launch. It's a whole new platform. It is AMD's future for the next few years.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:26:36 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 18:26:36 GMT -5
they are calling it AM4 I think right not sure what the chipset itself is called yet but I know its a whole new socket I would like to see what they have they arent doing that great in VGA atm the RX480 isnt all that barely a GTX 970 but at the price point its pretty good with the VGA I think we are gonna have to wait and see what VEGA has in store for us I would like to see AMD put a hold on intel and make them bring their prices down
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Nov 13, 2016 18:37:11 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 18:37:11 GMT -5
I personally don't consider AMD as a VGA manufacturer. They will always be ATI to me, and treated as a separate entity. I really don't care about the ATI portion of the business, even though AMD technically owns it.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:41:14 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 18:41:14 GMT -5
they were so much better tho when they were just ATI when I bought my XFX HD7950s I was so disappointed with them 2 3gig cards should have been able to handle the games and shit I wanted to do but was no where near what I was looking for in performance even with a 8350 CPU
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Nov 13, 2016 18:45:30 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 18:45:30 GMT -5
The VGA portion of AMD was always self supporting and still is. The only reason AMD bought them was to use them as collateral, for buying power to increase their R&D in the processor division.
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Nov 13, 2016 19:15:53 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 19:15:53 GMT -5
yea the VGA part of AMD will always sell there are people out there that swear by them and wont buy Nvidia and they hold the market for budget GPUs that is what keeps their head above water plus they always got console they hold he market
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Nov 13, 2016 20:16:10 GMT -5
Post by Vinster on Nov 13, 2016 20:16:10 GMT -5
Interesting they are going to be 8core 16 thread? There are multiple versions. 4c/8t 6c/12t 8c/16t and the Naples version that I want @ 16c/32tI just found out about the 16c/32t cpu... im interested in that puppy... Vin
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Nov 13, 2016 20:30:21 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 13, 2016 20:30:21 GMT -5
Interesting they are going to be 8core 16 thread? There are multiple versions. 4c/8t 6c/12t 8c/16t and the Naples version that I want @ 16c/32t There is also a full compliment of APU's.This is not a small launch. It's a whole new platform. It is AMD's future for the next few years. now my ears are pricked up
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Nov 13, 2016 20:43:09 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 20:43:09 GMT -5
The VGA portion of AMD was always self supporting and still is. The only reason AMD bought them was to use them as collateral, for buying power to increase their R&D in the processor division. Naples is gonna be 32c/64t Scotty for that line that will be there server lineup wccftech.com/amd-zen-naples-soc-benchmarks/
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Nov 13, 2016 20:46:36 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 13, 2016 20:46:36 GMT -5
keep frank away from that
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Nov 13, 2016 20:51:22 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 20:51:22 GMT -5
The VGA portion of AMD was always self supporting and still is. The only reason AMD bought them was to use them as collateral, for buying power to increase their R&D in the processor division. Naples is gonna be 32c/64t Scotty for that line that will be there server lineup wccftech.com/amd-zen-naples-soc-benchmarks/There will be variants just like the desktop models. Yes, I know it is a server processor, but still AM4 socket. AGESA code is easy to add to a bios for an enthusiast board. Just thinking out loud.........planning if possible or not. Need to see the hardware first.
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Nov 13, 2016 21:05:14 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 21:05:14 GMT -5
oh I am sure you will find a way lol but yea that 32c looks like it might be a beast so we might actually see some decent CPUs for once this is gonna nice to see what happens
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Nov 13, 2016 21:42:55 GMT -5
Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 13, 2016 21:42:55 GMT -5
Ahhh, but the overclock will be more productive. The number you start and stop at means nothing. Price will be a big factor. If AMD intends to take back some market share the price would have to make it worth while for people to switch off of Intel. They will be cheaper than the comparable Intel chip.........much cheaper. yea they will most likely be like $50-75 cheaper then Intel if they wanna compete cause not many like myself will wanna swap I had such bad luck with AMD for my everyday use I just dont see myself going back anytime soon actually from previous gen AMD processors, there is diminishing returns. It's like that with Intel processors. Just because it can render as well as a 12 thread Intel using 16 threads, does not make it a fast processor.
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Nov 13, 2016 21:47:55 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2016 21:47:55 GMT -5
It makes it faster than anything they have now......and pending pricing, cheaper than the comparative Intel chip. That's the ball game right there. That's how you gain shares. It doesn't have to be the best thing ever, just competitive.
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Nov 13, 2016 22:57:29 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 13, 2016 22:57:29 GMT -5
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Nov 13, 2016 23:18:49 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 23:18:49 GMT -5
lol well its Nov and we still dont see desktop Zen CPUs I think Su said it would be Q1 2017 tho not to long ago in a AMD conference when she had the CPU in her had in that picture so I am thinking Jan-Feb for Zen to start popping
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Nov 13, 2016 23:28:58 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 13, 2016 23:28:58 GMT -5
if these new AMD products theyre going to implement and dont live up to their say so, im afraid itll be all over for AMD, is my take on it, theyve been behind the 8 ball now for too long , so im sayin its do or dIe now for AMD CPUS, in this platform anyway to try compare with intel on ddr4 is a big ask, if they havent done their homework well theyll be left behind again, millions spent for nothing and they wont recover from that is my guess
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Nov 13, 2016 23:44:21 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 13, 2016 23:44:21 GMT -5
your right too if they dont grab intel by the balls with Zen they might as well throw in the towel like I said I hope they give intel a run and make them drop their prices cause right now Intel isnt even phased by AMD same thing with Nvidia they said they got shit that would push GPUs 10 if not 15 years into the future they could release but they are gonna let it out slow and improve on what they got Nvidia does not fear AMD in the VGA at all and same goes for Intel the only thing is with VGA is AMD as the entry lvl and to mid range GPUs on lock because of price point and they also have the consoles they build GPUs for I think all the the major ones have AMD GPUs in and its been that way for awhile now I like competition lol that is why I bench that is why I play video games that is why I would like to see AMD step up this time and make good on their claims
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Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 14, 2016 0:16:58 GMT -5
It makes it faster than anything they have now......and pending pricing, cheaper than the comparative Intel chip. That's the ball game right there. That's how you gain shares. It doesn't have to be the best thing ever, just competitive. Indeed ! The market is not us, the fanatic overclockers and benchers. The market is in the gaming section. If AMD can present a reliable platform with a 75% efficiency of the respective Intel processors at a fraction of the outrageous Intel prices, they will return to the game. If not...
A very self-explaining ( small - very small ) paradigm - A close friend ( some 25 years younger ), considers ( wrongfully ) that I am the God of computers On a budget, due to below average finances, he had a Gigabyte board with an FX-8350 and some 1600 ddr3 mems. He thought that the only thing that mattered was the graphic card for good gaming So, he bought from me two years ago an MSI GTX980. The card cost as much as the rest of his components. Few months back, sold the GTX980 and bought from me a GTX 1070. He called last week. WTF ? I can't see any difference.
After an hour's discussion, he sold in a day all his AMD setup, and I am in the process of putting together ( as though I have spare time ), a machine with an Asus Maximus Hero VIII, I5-6600K, DDR4-3200 and a second GTX 1070 in SLI. All parts used ( mine ), at a cost of 1000$. He got 200$ from the AMD sale.
The key words to this rather long post were : " Finally, I got rid of the garbage "
This category of consumers must be regained by AMD, if they wish to stand a chance of survival.
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Nov 14, 2016 0:33:16 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 14, 2016 0:33:16 GMT -5
i may be well wrong here but ive read a 980ti is just as good as a 1080,of course the silicon lottery applies, but overall it seems to me what ive read so far id buy a 980ti over a 1080, and i do know theres different versions/models of the 1080 too i dont know much about gpus or anything pc related really, but i do know this george, to become GOD, of pc, you gotta get to the golden fingers stage first
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Nov 14, 2016 0:38:11 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 14, 2016 0:38:11 GMT -5
i may be well wrong here but ive read a 980ti is just as good as a 1080,of course the silicon lottery applies, but overall it seems to me what ive read so far id buy a 980ti over a 1080, and i do know theres different versions/models of the 1080 too i dont know much about gpus or anything pc related really, but i do know this george, to become GOD, of pc, you gotta get to the golden fingers stage first nah a 980ti is a 1070 1080 is better then titan x (maxwell) so 1080 over 1070 all day esp for the GDDR5X even tho every bench I see people drop the speed to get higher clocks on the GPU itself kinda strange how that works but if he had a 980 I would have bought a 2nd but now he has 2 1070s that is a nice setup there
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Nov 14, 2016 0:40:43 GMT -5
Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 14, 2016 0:40:43 GMT -5
i may be well wrong here but ive read a 980ti is just as good as a 1080,of course the silicon lottery applies, but overall it seems to me what ive read so far id buy a 980ti over a 1080, and i do know theres different versions/models of the 1080 too i dont know much about gpus or anything pc related really, but i do know this george, to become GOD, of pc, you gotta get to the golden fingers stage first No way a GTX 980 Ti can compare with the worst GTX1080. I have 4 x Titan X ( Maxwell ), EVGA SC, modded bios and shunt mod applied running 1500/2100. On the other hand 2 x GTX 1070 ( not 1080 ) mildly overclocked.
One Titan does 20.000 Firestrike. One GTX 1070 does 19.000.
A heavily modded Titan vs a stock ( little overclocked ) GTX 1070 EVGA Founders edition.
Now, WTF is the golden fingers stage man ?
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Nov 14, 2016 0:49:33 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 14, 2016 0:49:33 GMT -5
i know you have 4 titans, as i said i have read, im not about to spruke what i dont know about here
you dont know what golden fingers are george, surely , you need to pay more attention my friend, we got a nickname under out avatar from CP long ago, pete is golden fingers, and he has them and the brain to match, i was the hardware destroyer, or some bloody thing i got named lol, killin hardware , others got named other things, im amazed you dont remember this
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Nov 14, 2016 0:58:13 GMT -5
Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 14, 2016 0:58:13 GMT -5
i know you have 4 titans, as i said i have read, im not about to spruke what i dont know about here you dont know what golden fingers are george, surely , you need to pay more attention my friend, we got a nickname under out avatar from CP long ago, pete is golden fingers, and he has them and the brain to match, i was the hardware destroyer, or some bloody thing i got named lol, killin hardware , others got named other things, im amazed you dont remember this Ahh, Pete... Well, Pete is in a class of his own. Very-very talented.
As for CP forums, I really do not remember... Alzheimer maybe ?
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Nov 14, 2016 1:10:18 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 14, 2016 1:10:18 GMT -5
i know you have 4 titans, as i said i have read, im not about to spruke what i dont know about here you dont know what golden fingers are george, surely , you need to pay more attention my friend, we got a nickname under out avatar from CP long ago, pete is golden fingers, and he has them and the brain to match, i was the hardware destroyer, or some bloody thing i got named lol, killin hardware , others got named other things, im amazed you dont remember this Ahh, Pete... Well, Pete is in a class of his own. Very-very talented.
As for CP forums, I really do not remember... Alzheimer maybe ?
he surely is at that george, CP is where it started, and the reason is his abilities and memory, amazing memory that applies to his golden fingers, thats why i called him golden fingers, i think from memory i posted goldfinger with shirley bassey singing it, prob her best ever song on something different thread in there and thats where all the nick names started from, his name has stuck coz its true, thats where it all started
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Nov 14, 2016 2:19:55 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 14, 2016 2:19:55 GMT -5
A close friend ( some 25 years younger ), considers ( wrongfully ) that I am the God of computers
You got a friend like that too. My friend aint 25 years younger though.
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Nov 14, 2016 19:26:46 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 14, 2016 19:26:46 GMT -5
A close friend ( some 25 years younger ), considers ( wrongfully ) that I am the God of computers
You got a friend like that too. My friend aint 25 years younger though. LOL. I see where you're going.
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Nov 14, 2016 19:32:41 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Nov 14, 2016 19:32:41 GMT -5
yes so do i
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