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Mar 6, 2017 11:17:06 GMT -5
Post by Vinster on Mar 6, 2017 11:17:06 GMT -5
I wasn't calling you a fanboy bro. Some of the other forums are rampant with them. Just kinda sick of the AMD bashing on them. Heat is relevant to cooling. I've seen screenshots better than 4.1 with decent air cooling (D14 and 15) with P95 running at under 60c. You're not going to see anywhere near that on a stock cooler. I have seen them running H100i and H110i with those temps stated above at more then one place IMO, those coolers are meant for stock systems (quad+ CPU's). people think they can OC with them, but in reality you shouldn't. There is little water in these systems, so once you really start to push the CPU (being any heavy one) you get in to a snowball effect and you'll lose the fight. I ran a H100 (with my i7-920 and my i7-980x) for a while and when pushing and not OC'ing it performed fine, but once I started OC'ing after a good CPU intensive game or running 2-3 virtual machines once I shut everything down and let the CPU idle my temps lived in the 60 degrees C just because the water in the minuscule loop was so warm. I ran a push/pull fan setup, and inlet fans on the outer frame of the case and the Case is a HAF-X 945... So it wasn't an airflow problem, the thing just couldn't keep up. Vin
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Mar 6, 2017 12:23:49 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on Mar 6, 2017 12:23:49 GMT -5
I have seen them running H100i and H110i with those temps stated above at more then one place IMO, those coolers are meant for stock systems (quad+ CPU's). people think they can OC with them, but in reality you shouldn't. There is little water in these systems, so once you really start to push the CPU (being any heavy one) you get in to a snowball effect and you'll lose the fight. I ran a H100 (with my i7-920 and my i7-980x) for a while and when pushing and not OC'ing it performed fine, but once I started OC'ing after a good CPU intensive game or running 2-3 virtual machines once I shut everything down and let the CPU idle my temps lived in the 60 degrees C just because the water in the minuscule loop was so warm. I ran a push/pull fan setup, and inlet fans on the outer frame of the case and the Case is a HAF-X 945... So it wasn't an airflow problem, the thing just couldn't keep up. Vin its funny you say that cause I got a H100i GTX and it runs just fine on my OC 5820k 4.5ghz 1.25v NEVER GETS HOT at those OCs I also got a CM HAF-932 with push pull fans on mine you know what CPU did make it kinda hot with NO OC AMD FX-8350 the Corasir H100i GTX works just fine I have had it over a year now and never had a issue with it even when I didnt clean the rad for 4-5 months and I lived in a house where people smoked cigs then so I dont get where you think the H100i isnt good enough cause my 5820k is 140w compared to a 95w CPU 240mm rad should cool up to 200w TPD CPU so I dunno what you are talking about I think the most my CPU temp has ever gotten while gaming was 60c lmao oh and I live in Florida where its 90F almost everyday
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Mar 6, 2017 12:32:24 GMT -5
Post by zila1 on Mar 6, 2017 12:32:24 GMT -5
These new AIOs are really impressive. I have an H80i GT cooling an FX-8300. That cooler will keep this dog gone thing at 60*C 4700MHz 1.55vcore in a HAF912 case. I would think something like that should work well on the new Ryzen CPUs.
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Mar 7, 2017 2:15:42 GMT -5
Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 7, 2017 2:15:42 GMT -5
Well any one from Warp9 purchase ZEN yet or what?
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Mar 7, 2017 12:30:36 GMT -5
Post by Vinster on Mar 7, 2017 12:30:36 GMT -5
IMO, those coolers are meant for stock systems (quad+ CPU's). people think they can OC with them, but in reality you shouldn't. There is little water in these systems, so once you really start to push the CPU (being any heavy one) you get in to a snowball effect and you'll lose the fight. I ran a H100 (with my i7-920 and my i7-980x) for a while and when pushing and not OC'ing it performed fine, but once I started OC'ing after a good CPU intensive game or running 2-3 virtual machines once I shut everything down and let the CPU idle my temps lived in the 60 degrees C just because the water in the minuscule loop was so warm. I ran a push/pull fan setup, and inlet fans on the outer frame of the case and the Case is a HAF-X 945... So it wasn't an airflow problem, the thing just couldn't keep up. Vin its funny you say that cause I got a H100i GTX and it runs just fine on my OC 5820k 4.5ghz 1.25v NEVER GETS HOT at those OCs I also got a CM HAF-932 with push pull fans on mine you know what CPU did make it kinda hot with NO OC AMD FX-8350 the Corasir H100i GTX works just fine I have had it over a year now and never had a issue with it even when I didnt clean the rad for 4-5 months and I lived in a house where people smoked cigs then so I dont get where you think the H100i isnt good enough cause my 5820k is 140w compared to a 95w CPU 240mm rad should cool up to 200w TPD CPU so I dunno what you are talking about I think the most my CPU temp has ever gotten while gaming was 60c lmao oh and I live in Florida where its 90F almost everyday don't know much about the GTX version. I just know I had this issue on 2 different PC's, one had an H50, the other had an H70.. both had the same thermal issues. the H50 was upgraded to the H80 and the H70 was upgraded to the H100 and these measures helped each respected system, but the issue still happened. it just took a little longer... so right now I have an H70 and an H100 just sitting in a box collecting dust. the plan for them is to get them clamped up to a GPU for some benching once I stop getting sucker punched by RL. Vin
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Mar 7, 2017 12:57:44 GMT -5
Post by Vinster on Mar 7, 2017 12:57:44 GMT -5
Well any one from Warp9 purchase ZEN yet or what? local stores here now have stock... I haven't had time to research any user based OC's and benches to see where I'd land on what CPU... Vin EDIT: but it seems they don't have MB's....
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Post by Mr.Scott on Mar 7, 2017 16:08:58 GMT -5
Well any one from Warp9 purchase ZEN yet or what? Not touching it for about a year. Too buggy right now. It will be better later.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Mar 7, 2017 17:23:14 GMT -5
Too right Scotty I wont be on it till the next stepping comes along at least.
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Post by zila1 on Mar 7, 2017 17:43:57 GMT -5
Yup, all the new hardware and software isn't tuned in for Zen yet. A year or so seems about right.
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Mar 7, 2017 23:11:46 GMT -5
Post by Bones on Mar 7, 2017 23:11:46 GMT -5
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Mar 8, 2017 1:43:59 GMT -5
Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 8, 2017 1:43:59 GMT -5
Well any one from Warp9 purchase ZEN yet or what? Not touching it for about a year. Too buggy right now. It will be better later. That's the truth. I'm glad I held off seeing every one's issues with the Big bad Asus CHVI. Bios update and bricked!! Funk that!! This release is like the best/worst at the same time.
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Mar 8, 2017 2:03:11 GMT -5
Post by ozz on Mar 8, 2017 2:03:11 GMT -5
its no different than a new popular car that is made , series 1 model always has bugs, series 2 model some of the bugs are sorted, series 3 model usually all the bugs are sorted, ill be waiting for the series 2 at least to see what has been sorted and what hasnt, and that goes for the motherboards as well
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Mar 8, 2017 2:11:07 GMT -5
Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 8, 2017 2:11:07 GMT -5
Ya I agree. ^
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May 14, 2017 19:22:38 GMT -5
Post by Mr.Scott on May 14, 2017 19:22:38 GMT -5
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May 14, 2017 20:08:27 GMT -5
Post by ShrimpBrime on May 14, 2017 20:08:27 GMT -5
I was just saying this at Overclockers a few days ago. A lot of Intel users in the AMD threads doing the usual bashing. Tell them that AMD promised 40% and delivered. They has nothing to say to to besides that it's a couple percent slower than a top Intel... Crazy priced boards on Server 2P platform. This won't be in any of our price ranges. Not even Pete's lol
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May 14, 2017 20:41:52 GMT -5
Post by Macsbeach98 on May 14, 2017 20:41:52 GMT -5
HAHA my price ranges are cutting back. I have spent a lot of money in the last 5 years more than I even admit to myself.
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May 14, 2017 21:41:27 GMT -5
Post by ShrimpBrime on May 14, 2017 21:41:27 GMT -5
If you're ever looking to Sell Newer VGA cards, I may have interest in NVidia. Do you have any original 6GB Titans?
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May 15, 2017 16:43:36 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on May 15, 2017 16:43:36 GMT -5
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May 16, 2017 0:35:10 GMT -5
Post by ShrimpBrime on May 16, 2017 0:35:10 GMT -5
Oof. 1000$ processor lineup here we come....
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May 16, 2017 7:59:09 GMT -5
Post by Shadyreaper on May 16, 2017 7:59:09 GMT -5
Oof. 1000$ processor lineup here we come.... yep deff gonna be a $1000+ war going on which is stupid IMO I know they are making a i5 in HEDT cpu for X299 but these R9 Ryzen CPUs just look like a bunch of server CPUs they are slapping in the consumer market all them cores aint gonna mean shit in gaming only people that gonna need them are people that need tons of cores 16c/32t is just getting outta hand if you ask me
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May 16, 2017 11:42:24 GMT -5
Post by Vinster on May 16, 2017 11:42:24 GMT -5
Wow...
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 16, 2017 13:11:12 GMT -5
Oof. 1000$ processor lineup here we come.... yep deff gonna be a $1000+ war going on which is stupid IMO I know they are making a i5 in HEDT cpu for X299 but these R9 Ryzen CPUs just look like a bunch of server CPUs they are slapping in the consumer market all them cores aint gonna mean shit in gaming only people that gonna need them are people that need tons of cores 16c/32t is just getting outta hand if you ask me Again gaming is not the tell all for computing much like P95 isn't the tell all in stability. Your looking at a perfectly capable work station that competes with Intel's server line up. While AMD's servers will be twice as many threads as the desktop parts..... which is a very normal thing to see. For guys like us, maybe not the ideal processor having a lot of cores, but you have to remember that size has a limit on IPC. with 14nm FinFet AMD has the speeds topped out while keeping pretty good efficiency. We can have 4 cores from Intel at a higher TDP rating than AMD's 16 thread Lineup. And with so many offerings, ALL unlocked chips.... It seems to me AMD has an upper hand while people really try hard to hang onto their Octo-core i7 systems having only small percentage gains on IPC, however losing points with F@H and being pretty slow in comparison to a 32T AMD Ryzen 9 chip. I remember when people said quad core wasn't needed..... But then everyone went out and bought them....
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