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Post by Bones on Jul 25, 2022 19:15:15 GMT -5
It may but TBH I use 1.59 since it's the last one done before it was changed with 1.60, that's when the problems with CPU-Z began. Just try the vintage version and see if it's there.
Msut mention since I've been running it the board has gotten better about initializing my drives without hanging at the POST screen. Was doing it like clockwork at first but it's gotten better, probrably a cap that wasn't liking just sitting around and putting the board back in use is making it behave again.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Jul 25, 2022 20:17:19 GMT -5
It may but TBH I use 1.59 since it's the last one done before it was changed with 1.60, that's when the problems with CPU-Z began. Just try the vintage version and see if it's there. Msut mention since I've been running it the board has gotten better about initializing my drives without hanging at the POST screen. Was doing it like clockwork at first but it's gotten better, probrably a cap that wasn't liking just sitting around and putting the board back in use is making it behave again. Yeah, this Socket A setup is about to make me pull my hair out. I tried running 3dmark03 on it and that caused the same exact lockup as CPUz was doing. 3dmark03 should in theory run fine. So then I decided to try to swap to the Asus VIA board. It won't even POST regardless of anything I do to it. The NF2 board will POST on occasion after it sits long enough, but its exhibiting these randomized lockup events. Ugh. I'm about to say screw it and order another Socket A board / CPU combo on ebay again. EDIT: Okay, now I can get it back into Windows again. It was doing about 5-10 seconds of 3dmark03, and now its doing the first full scene and locking up when loading the second scene. I swapped CPU's and that's what got it into Windows, and I changed the RAM down to DDR200 speeds, 2.5-3-3-6 with the OCZ sticks, and that's what's getting it through the first scene. It's almost acting as if the chipset / IMC is messed up. EDIT2: Well this is troublesome. My ECS SiS 700 series board and Athlon 1100 don't work either. Same problem, locks up in 3d tests regardless of X800 or X1950 installed. Now I'm stuck, I have no clue why neither of my Socket A builds are functioning and randomly locking up. Only thing I can think of is maybe, MAYBE the PSU, but I was under the impression that Corsair RMx550's were fine for this task as they had 25a on the 5v. Freaking A..... I don't know what to do now. Absolutely NONE of the Socket A systems work at all. They seem to, up until you put a load on it and then lock up. Confirmed with my 9800XT as well. Yeah, none of my Socket A kit works at all. Don't know 100% why.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 26, 2022 12:45:59 GMT -5
Yeah, this Socket A setup is about to make me pull my hair out. Oh man join the club, I love SK462 but it can be a handful. All them bad caps, buggy chipsets, the wild west of motherboard designs and drawing a lot on the 5v rail... Yeah its changeling sometimes.
Anyway I can't wait to see the k5 and 6 setup, those are right up my alley.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Jul 27, 2022 0:46:25 GMT -5
Yeah, this Socket A setup is about to make me pull my hair out. Oh man join the club, I love SK462 but it can be a handful. All them bad caps, buggy chipsets, the wild west of motherboard designs and drawing a lot on the 5v rail... Yeah its a changeling sometimes.
Anyway I can't wait to see the k5 and 6 setup, those are right up my alley.
My Antec version of the Chieftec Dragon just showed up today, and it looks like its brand spanking new. Came with a 350w Antec PSU too. I'm going to crack that open tonight, make sure the caps look good in it and give THAT power supply a go with the Socket A rigs with any luck tonight. 33a on the 5v rail......gotta be better than the 25a the RMX550 has. Maybe that'll cause the Socket A rigs to work without locking up on me.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 27, 2022 1:56:28 GMT -5
Good chance of that.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Jul 27, 2022 5:11:47 GMT -5
Yup! Just got done playing Quake on the 1100 T-Bird / 9800XT rig. Soooo happy right now!!! It's still locking up with certain applications like 3dmark03. Not entirely sure why. But its seemingly a ton better. Mafia also played on it just fine. I'm guessing its a mixture of software since I've still got Windows 7 on it, maybe drivers since I didn't install any but the GPU and sound card, and maybe just old rig incompatibility with some of the things I'm trying to run like 3dmark03. It does NOT like emulating DOSBox either. I tried Duke 3d on it from GOG, and yeah, stuttery slideshow mess. I should've thought about that before trying, but it makes sense since the T Bird / 9800 was perfectly capable of running DOS natively. My Windows 2000 box WILL live! I'll bet the AthlonXP / X800 rig will do similarly well once I score another PSU that has ample 5v rails for it. Kind of bummed out I can't really install that one just yet due to missing a PSU. The T-Bird rig still needs a case, the AthlonXP rig I thought I had everything here for. I mean, I guess I could put this Antec 350w in with the AthlonXP, but I'd kind of like to make triple sure on that one so I'd rather have something like a 500w whatever with 35-40a on the 5v. I'll be on the hunt come payday. If anybody stumbles upon something like an Antec True 550, the one with 40a on the 5v rails, that's actually in really good or new shape, please drop the link. It can be similar, just something good quality. I'd rather not have to recap it if I don't absolutely HAVE to. My second 939 rig will likely be actually built up tomorrow since the case came in today (black Chieftec Dragon....hence the PSU I was using tonight). That is, unless my Ryzen 1000 kit fully arrives, or the Socket 754 kit fully arrives, then I might need to test those. Assuming those don't arrive, I'll be building the 939 tomorrow night.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 27, 2022 12:54:33 GMT -5
I mean, I guess I could put this Antec 350w in with the AthlonXP, but I'd kind of like to make triple sure on that one so I'd rather have something like a 500w whatever with 35-40a on the 5v. I'll be on the hunt come payday. If anybody stumbles upon something like an Antec True 550, the one with 40a on the 5v rails, that's actually in really good or new shape, please drop the link. It can be similar, just something good quality. I'd rather not have to recap it if I don't absolutely HAVE to. Take your pick lol
kinda pricey but its a far better PSU with 40 amps on the 5v rail
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 27, 2022 17:45:36 GMT -5
Find a ABit NF7 they feed the CPU off the 12v rail with the 4 pin connector. And are a better board all round.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Jul 27, 2022 18:44:39 GMT -5
Find a ABit NF7 they feed the CPU off the 12v rail with the 4 pin connector. And are a better board all round. I'll keep that in mind if my Asus A7N8x-E Deluxe doesn't work out. I just checked ebay, those Abit NF7 boards are spendy, and none of the combos seem to come with the chip I want (3200+). I'm not building these to overclock, moreso to preserve them. I was only wanting to overclock the 2500+m because back in the day it was as easy as jumping to 200x11 to get it to 3200+ speeds, or so I thought lol. Either way, it seems I need a heavy 5v rail PSU for the Athlon XP, regardless if I jump to the Abit board or not. So far, I have the Ryzen 5000 (*minus SSD's), 3000, 2000 (*minus GPU), FX, Thuban, Phenom, and 939 completed. I have on hand (or in the next few days) parts to finish the Ryzen 1000, second 939, and 754. I thought I could do the Socket A - XP build, but alas, missing PSU. The early Socket A and K6 are both missing a good looking case (need painted / worked on). I'm not sure what else I'm actually missing until I start diving into them, but I know I'm missing extras like wifi card, sound card, possibly IDE controllers, things like that. I also found out I'm missing PS2 or AT / Serial KBB and mouse, I thought I had a PS2 set but I don't. The K5 build is missing entirely. I really should dive on the new old stock on ebay I found, but mannnn, $300 for a K5 kit is spendy when the K6 will do the same exact things. EDIT: Second 939 rig is now complete and running stress tests at 2.70GHz with 8GB RAM at 195MHz. (300x9).
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Post by austin86 on Jul 28, 2022 8:48:01 GMT -5
Find a ABit NF7 they feed the CPU off the 12v rail with the 4 pin connector. And are a better board all round. good ol nf7, so long as you don't want PCI sound card support in pure dos mode its the best sk462 board.
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Post by Bones on Jul 28, 2022 8:53:11 GMT -5
AN7 is good too, better in some ways than an NF7. ALL AN7's are of a "Good" version because there was only one AN7 version ever made.
No volt mods needed to get some decent clocks by using the bus, NB clocks up rather well without them and runs cool (Enough) too.
Not knocking an NF7, I've got three here myself.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Jul 28, 2022 16:30:04 GMT -5
Well, was trying out my Ryzen 1400 kit today. Something's definitely busted. -_- No power at all, PSU won't even fire up. PSU is good, GPU is good, nothing else is connected other than the board. Pretty sure I got shipped a dead board. I'll see if my B450 will work with the CPU tonight after kiddo goes to bed (I'll have to pull his rig down to test with). Also might try his Ryzen 2600 in the board, just to see if its some odd incompatibility or something. Ugh. -_-
If its not one thing dead around here its another. Just had to mail my compact flash cards back today too because I bought fraudulent cards. -_- I swear, I have a love / hate relationship with ebay.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 28, 2022 16:40:08 GMT -5
Well, was trying out my Ryzen 1400 kit today. Something's definitely busted. -_- No power at all, PSU won't even fire up. PSU is good, GPU is good, nothing else is connected other than the board. Pretty sure I got shipped a dead board. I'll see if my B450 will work with the CPU tonight after kiddo goes to bed (I'll have to pull his rig down to test with). Also might try his Ryzen 2600 in the board, just to see if its some odd incompatibility or something. Ugh. -_- If its not one thing dead around here its another. Just had to mail my compact flash cards back today too because I bought fraudulent cards. -_- I swear, I have a love / hate relationship with ebay. Probably the board. My 1400 fired right up on stock bios B450M-A (rev 1.0) without issues. But you won't know till you try!
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Post by pioneerisloud on Jul 28, 2022 17:31:06 GMT -5
Well, was trying out my Ryzen 1400 kit today. Something's definitely busted. -_- No power at all, PSU won't even fire up. PSU is good, GPU is good, nothing else is connected other than the board. Pretty sure I got shipped a dead board. I'll see if my B450 will work with the CPU tonight after kiddo goes to bed (I'll have to pull his rig down to test with). Also might try his Ryzen 2600 in the board, just to see if its some odd incompatibility or something. Ugh. -_- If its not one thing dead around here its another. Just had to mail my compact flash cards back today too because I bought fraudulent cards. -_- I swear, I have a love / hate relationship with ebay. Probably the board. My 1400 fired right up on stock bios B450M-A (rev 1.0) without issues. But you won't know till you try! Figured it out, CPU has 5 or 6 bent pins. That's the dang problem. -_- I knew it didn't sit right in the socket. The included wraith cooler being bent really badly to the point it wouldn't line up with the AM4 bolt holes should've been a clue. -_- My B350 board POST's fine with my Ryzen 2600 in it. EDIT: Dropped my 2600 when removing it from the B350 board to swap it back into kiddo's rig. Now his rig is busted too. Such a great day today. FML -_- EDIT2: I was able to get the Ryzen 1400 + B350 board working. The Ryzen 2600 works in the B350 board too, but it no longer works in the B450 board I pulled it from. Neither does the Ryzen 1400. I think the bent pins might've damaged the socket on the board (b450). It doesn't seem to "snap" into place when pushing the latch down like its supposed to. I can pull the cooler off, push down on it and then do the latch and sometimes it'll POST. But as soon as I save the date and time and restart it, it hangs on POST again. So, I guess damage wasn't as bad as I thought, but its a huge bummer its kiddo's rig that I broke. -_-
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Post by pioneerisloud on Jul 30, 2022 4:49:21 GMT -5
Okay, so here's another update ish....... Ryzen 1400 rig is fully working, minus a HDD. It's fully built and in its forever home. Socket 754 rig is on the bench, working fine. I was able to figure out what all older gear is dead. Kinda sad, but whatever, it is what it is. If anybody has any of the following, please let me know. I'll buy. - 6TB HDD
B450 motherboard
Vega 64 (can wait)
Black IDE DVDRW with lightscribe
2x black ZIP250 drives
4x double round IDE cables
2x single round IDE cables
2x round floppy cables
4x PCI wifi cards
PCI IDE controller card
Antec True 550 or equivalent PSU
500GB IDE hard drive
black CF reader
Bundle of various IDE / Floppy ribbon cables (for old rigs)
Some beige paint
(unknown still what all the K6 is missing, definitely HDD, possibly PSU, CDRW that works of app. age, K5 is still missing all)
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Post by pioneerisloud on Jul 30, 2022 20:27:08 GMT -5
Just pulled the beige cases out. My beige Chieftec Dragon is in good shape now that we bondo'ed the front panel crack up. Front panel needs to be painted to match, and it'll be good to be built with the T-Bird! I have everything here to build it except maybe IDE cables and a wifi card (both on my list above).
My K6 case is absolutely destroyed. I was hoping it could be repaired, but no. Bottom is all bent out of shape, and the front panel doesn't attach at all to the steel. So looking for an AT style case too. I still need to inspect the caps in the PSU, but the board and expansion cards all look fine. I'll need an 80GB IDE HDD for it too, its got a 1620MB drive in it as is, and a 10GB drive. Neither are drives I want to use in it. I'd like another slower CDRW drive for it too, and another high speed CD-ROM. The IO Magic 52x and Iomega 8x4x32 I bought for that rig don't work. But I do have a functional 8x CD-ROM for it as is, and I suppose that'd be fitting. I just remember having those two drives in my own K6 back in the 90's, so wanted those again. Oh well.
Still working on things, still looking for the above parts. Will start shopping and spending again probably Monday.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jul 31, 2022 8:04:18 GMT -5
I probably have all of your cables and maybe a few other things. I will dig them out and give you a list. PSU, I have Thermaltake TP2 430 if that interests you.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Jul 31, 2022 18:19:53 GMT -5
I probably have all of your cables and maybe a few other things. I will dig them out and give you a list. PSU, I have Thermaltake TP2 430 if that interests you. If the PSU is big enough to properly power an AthlonXP with an X850 Pro in it, and like 6 ish drives (DVDRW, CF reader, ZIP250, Floppy, HDD, and an SSD), then yeah the PSU would interest me. Also, so long as it has flat caps. I think I can recap, but I'd like to get the rig built sooner rather than later. Getting antsy lol.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 1, 2022 11:13:04 GMT -5
PSU will be fine for that. Condition is like new.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Aug 1, 2022 16:02:02 GMT -5
PSU will be fine for that. Condition is like new. Well shoot man, PM me and let me know what you want shipped for everything.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 1, 2022 18:39:49 GMT -5
Pretty sure I have black IDE DVDRW but don't know if it has lightscribe.
I don't want anything but shipping. I will message you.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Aug 2, 2022 0:30:30 GMT -5
Pretty sure I have black IDE DVDRW but don't know if it has lightscribe. I don't want anything but shipping. I will message you. Honestly, if the DVDRW works, it works. I really only needed lightscribe on the rigs that I actually intended on burning with anyway. I was just being picky on that requirement, but honestly it doesn't matter. The Socket A rig doesn't have lightscribe either, the missing DVDRW is for the 754 rig. So long as it reads discs fine, I shouldn't really worry too much about it. If I'm searching for one on ebay, it'll be a lightscribe drive just because there's basically no price difference.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 2, 2022 18:16:27 GMT -5
Works perfectly. I will send it.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Aug 3, 2022 15:56:05 GMT -5
Okay, something's not right and I need help here with the Ryzen 1400 / B350 / RX 580 setup. I've tried 4 different RX 580's in it, and I'm about to try a GeForce GTX 960 in it, just to rule out the motherboard at this point. But....for some odd reason, the GPU just completely randomly disconnects itself for no reason. I hear the Windows disconnect noise, and then the screen freezes and stays that way until I power cycle. I've tried swapping PSU's, removing sleeved extension cables, different GPU's of course, and I've tried "mining" BIOS and factory TPU (maybe wrong? But they work) BIOS's on the cards. Radeon settings are left alone other than turning on VSR. Tried under load (mining), and tried even just letting it sit there idle. It's not temperature related, even under a load the last card was only hitting 59*C load. Any ideas what the heck is going on here? Another interesting tidbit of information to help, its not the ONLY rig doing this with an RX 580 in it. My friend's B450 / Ryzen 1600 build with an RX 580 does the same thing. I can't possibly have 2 dead boards or 5 dead GPU's sitting here. What gives? Anybody else have this happen before? @mr. Scott: Awaiting your PM good sir. I would like to know exactly which model PSU you're talking about, or at least how much 5v it has? I can only seem to find the TT TR2 430, which has 24a on the 5v. The TP2 seems to be an Antec model, which has 35a on the 5v I think it was. Unless you were referring to a TT Toughpower? I can't seem to find a 430w version mentioned online though. I've been told (and it seems its right) that you need a massive amount of 5v for the AthlonXP builds. My RMX550w PSU's have 25a and they're not working out right in the Socket A builds.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 3, 2022 16:43:55 GMT -5
Okay, something's not right and I need help here with the Ryzen 1400 / B350 / RX 580 setup. I've tried 4 different RX 580's in it, and I'm about to try a GeForce GTX 960 in it, just to rule out the motherboard at this point. But....for some odd reason, the GPU just completely randomly disconnects itself for no reason. I hear the Windows disconnect noise, and then the screen freezes and stays that way until I power cycle. I've tried swapping PSU's, removing sleeved extension cables, different GPU's of course, and I've tried "mining" BIOS and factory TPU (maybe wrong? But they work) BIOS's on the cards. Radeon settings are left alone other than turning on VSR. Tried under load (mining), and tried even just letting it sit there idle. It's not temperature related, even under a load the last card was only hitting 59*C load. Any ideas what the heck is going on here? Another interesting tidbit of information to help, its not the ONLY rig doing this with an RX 580 in it. My friend's B450 / Ryzen 1600 build with an RX 580 does the same thing. I can't possibly have 2 dead boards or 5 dead GPU's sitting here. What gives? Anybody else have this happen before? @mr. Scott: Awaiting your PM good sir. I would like to know exactly which model PSU you're talking about, or at least how much 5v it has? I can only seem to find the TT TR2 430, which has 24a on the 5v. The TP2 seems to be an Antec model, which has 35a on the 5v I think it was. Unless you were referring to a TT Toughpower? I can't seem to find a 430w version mentioned online though. I've been told (and it seems its right) that you need a massive amount of 5v for the AthlonXP builds. My RMX550w PSU's have 25a and they're not working out right in the Socket A builds. UEFI / CSM bug. Disable and enable CSM until the board cooperates.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Aug 3, 2022 17:55:33 GMT -5
Okay, something's not right and I need help here with the Ryzen 1400 / B350 / RX 580 setup. I've tried 4 different RX 580's in it, and I'm about to try a GeForce GTX 960 in it, just to rule out the motherboard at this point. But....for some odd reason, the GPU just completely randomly disconnects itself for no reason. I hear the Windows disconnect noise, and then the screen freezes and stays that way until I power cycle. I've tried swapping PSU's, removing sleeved extension cables, different GPU's of course, and I've tried "mining" BIOS and factory TPU (maybe wrong? But they work) BIOS's on the cards. Radeon settings are left alone other than turning on VSR. Tried under load (mining), and tried even just letting it sit there idle. It's not temperature related, even under a load the last card was only hitting 59*C load. Any ideas what the heck is going on here? Another interesting tidbit of information to help, its not the ONLY rig doing this with an RX 580 in it. My friend's B450 / Ryzen 1600 build with an RX 580 does the same thing. I can't possibly have 2 dead boards or 5 dead GPU's sitting here. What gives? Anybody else have this happen before? @mr. Scott: Awaiting your PM good sir. I would like to know exactly which model PSU you're talking about, or at least how much 5v it has? I can only seem to find the TT TR2 430, which has 24a on the 5v. The TP2 seems to be an Antec model, which has 35a on the 5v I think it was. Unless you were referring to a TT Toughpower? I can't seem to find a 430w version mentioned online though. I've been told (and it seems its right) that you need a massive amount of 5v for the AthlonXP builds. My RMX550w PSU's have 25a and they're not working out right in the Socket A builds. UEFI / CSM bug. Disable and enable CSM until the board cooperates. I'll give that a try next. I've got the gtx 960 in there, rig idling (since it doesn't matter) just to make sure it's not the actual board. If it's stable for a day with the 960, I'll try that next with the 580s. Thank you. Never would've thought about that. Should csm be enabled then on earlier ryzen?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 3, 2022 19:04:55 GMT -5
UEFI / CSM bug. Disable and enable CSM until the board cooperates. I'll give that a try next. I've got the gtx 960 in there, rig idling (since it doesn't matter) just to make sure it's not the actual board. If it's stable for a day with the 960, I'll try that next with the 580s. Thank you. Never would've thought about that. Should csm be enabled then on earlier ryzen? A good board would automatically enable it when necessary and this makes for some long post times. But not sure if it's a Vbios issue or a motherboard bios issue. I just remember reading about it some time back. More issues than not, these cards where flodded into the market after having mining bioses installed too.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Aug 3, 2022 19:31:09 GMT -5
I'll give that a try next. I've got the gtx 960 in there, rig idling (since it doesn't matter) just to make sure it's not the actual board. If it's stable for a day with the 960, I'll try that next with the 580s. Thank you. Never would've thought about that. Should csm be enabled then on earlier ryzen? A good board would automatically enable it when necessary and this makes for some long post times. But not sure if it's a Vbios issue or a motherboard bios issue. I just remember reading about it some time back. More issues than not, these cards where flodded into the market after having mining bioses installed too. Very true. Thing is, it's doing it with stock bios's reflashed on the cards too. So it's not the ram timing, tdp, or target temp changes in the vbios since both mining and stock vbios does it. And it's across two different boards doing the same thing.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 3, 2022 19:42:31 GMT -5
@mr. Scott: Awaiting your PM good sir. I would like to know exactly which model PSU you're talking about, or at least how much 5v it has? I can only seem to find the TT TR2 430, which has 24a on the 5v. The TP2 seems to be an Antec model, which has 35a on the 5v I think it was. Unless you were referring to a TT Toughpower? I can't seem to find a 430w version mentioned online though. I've been told (and it seems its right) that you need a massive amount of 5v for the AthlonXP builds. My RMX550w PSU's have 25a and they're not working out right in the Socket A builds. Doesn't matter any more. I must have got rid of it already. I have OCZ 600XSX though. 30a 5v rail. Honestly, you don't need any more than that for anything you're going to do with those rigs.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Aug 3, 2022 22:01:35 GMT -5
@mr. Scott: Awaiting your PM good sir. I would like to know exactly which model PSU you're talking about, or at least how much 5v it has? I can only seem to find the TT TR2 430, which has 24a on the 5v. The TP2 seems to be an Antec model, which has 35a on the 5v I think it was. Unless you were referring to a TT Toughpower? I can't seem to find a 430w version mentioned online though. I've been told (and it seems its right) that you need a massive amount of 5v for the AthlonXP builds. My RMX550w PSU's have 25a and they're not working out right in the Socket A builds. Doesn't matter any more. I must have got rid of it already. I have OCZ 600XSX though. 30a 5v rail. Honestly, you don't need any more than that for anything you're going to do with those rigs. Fair enough. It seems like my rmx 550w wasn't enough, it kept having issues under 3d load on all the agp rigs. The antec 350w that came in my chieftec Dragon fixed it on two of the rigs I tried (30a vs 25a on the 5v). Well let me know if you still had things on the list you don't mind selling. If not, no big deal. There's always ebay.
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