AMD Announces 32-core / 64-threads Ryzen Threadripper

[ShrimpBrime]

wccftech.com/amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-threadripper-32-core-64-thread-flagship-cpu-computex/


quote: "The new processors will run at a TDP of up to 250W which might exceed some entry-level X399 motherboards but that won’t be a really big issue as AMD mentioned that you can simply replace your current generation Threadripper CPUs with the newer ones on 1st gen X399 motherboards. They haven’t assured the same level of performance, clocks or overclocking benefits as the newer refreshed boards though."

[WhiteWulfe]

It's a neat development, but my curious question is how expensive will it be, and does it offer benefits for Adobe products (doubtful, especially with the recent updates that got a huge boost on Intels with IGP, and poor Adobe coding), video editing (Davinci Resolve and/or Red's stuff comes to mind), and other multi-threading applications (rendering?) I'm also curious if they've fixed the huuuuuge issue that the first generation had with segmentation faults, which really killed it's usability in things like BOINC.

As much as I wanted one of the originals, I don't quite want one of these anywhere near as much, but that's probably due to the incoming unmentioned cost, as well as the fact that for what I do with my rig, a CoffeeLake CPU is probably best because a)name, and b)intended uses (gaming + photo and video editing)

[ShrimpBrime]

Well, no, it's not an Intel... and no it may not run Adobe products well, maybe not Boinc. But I suppose 2 programs out of the millions of programs out there isn't half bad.

I've mostly owned AMD products through the last decade and change. So it's hard for me to compare products like which one is better than the other. However I look at it like, is it faster than FX per core epeen? Is it faster than my K8 Athlon @ 3.5ghz?

The processing speed has increased well through the years. The core count seems to double quite a bit more often than expected even 7 years ago.

But is the prices really that different then years ago? The K8 FX-55 was released at some 800$ (roughly) if memory serves me correctly. That was only ONE freaking core lol. Released in 03 or 04 somewhere abouts.

[WhiteWulfe]

Jun 11, 2018 22:14:57 GMT -5 ShrimpBrime said:

Well, no, it's not an Intel... and no it may not run Adobe products well, maybe not Boinc. But I suppose 2 programs out of the millions of programs out there isn't half bad.

I've mostly owned AMD products through the last decade and change. So it's hard for me to compare products like which one is better than the other. However I look at it like, is it faster than FX per core epeen? Is it faster than my K8 Athlon @ 3.5ghz?

The processing speed has increased well through the years. The core count seems to double quite a bit more often than expected even 7 years ago.

But is the prices really that different then years ago? The K8 FX-55 was released at some 800$ (roughly) if memory serves me correctly. That was only ONE freaking core lol. Released in 03 or 04 somewhere abouts.

For me, when I say price....  Originally, when launched, the 1950X was somewhere around $1,300 CAD...  It's $1k CAD now, but factor in a decent board and workstation amounts of RAM and it can quickly bump up to $2,500 CAD just for a cpu mobo and ram.  Even though I can afford the higher end kit nowadays, I still look at gear with the same eyes I did 15 years ago.

Jokingly, nothing runs Adobe products well!

Ignoring video and photo workstation uses (which tend to focus on Intel and Nvidia due to the sheer amount of market percentage they have, AND a lot of them tend to focus on single core performance, where faster memory and core speeds can give one company an advantage over the other), I'm quite happy with where Ryzen gen 1 (and ThreadRipper of course) came out performance wise, doubly so after the couple of updates to the BIOS architecture itself.  Heck, even with BOINC, once that segfault issue was cleared up, the Ryzen 1700 was handily beating out 2xE5-2670 SR0KX rigs for PPD/RAC, AND they handled it rather well (send in an email with your receipt and serial, and a few weeks later, oh look, replacement CPU arrives in the mail)

I've used Intel as well as AMD products over the past ten years, and while it might not come across as readily in text, I actually am biased towards AMD, at least on the CPU side (GPU I'm obviously biased towards Nvidia due to CUDA app usage, even though AMD has the better multi-monitor surround display options).  Maybe that's why I come across as so harsh towards AMD, because I keep wanting to see another revolution courtesy of the Barton core (especially the overclocker's bliss of the XP-M 2500+ that was popular back then), and of course the complete and total shattering of the market the Athlon64 brought about.  I'm definitely thankful that they're a lot more liberal with PCIe slots you can use, unlike Intel where if you want to actually do stuff with your rig it's locked down rather tightly and you're coerced into the generation behind enthusiast gear, which has it's own problems like how x299's launch was, uhm....  Brutal, doubly so with all the rumours of Intel trying to lock it all down with expensive little add-on fobs and whatnot (whatever they're called, can't think of the name).



What worries me about ThreadRipper 2 though is that 250W TDP, as that's quite possibly a LOT of heat going into the living room with the rig I'm looking at (900W+ assuming running full out, and accessories being factored into that power consumption)....  But I'm also one of the oddballs that is contemplating 2x1080 Ti's (or equivalent) for video rendering (or BOINC, or Folding@Home), gaming at 1440p surround 144Hz, and if I did get serious about video I'd be popping a Red Rocket X into the case too (get your mind out of the gutter, it's a video acceleration card for Red Cinema's camera codecs ).

In short, seeing a TDP of 250W makes me wonder what it brings to the table, while also bringing flashbacks of the 290X living room heater debates from back in the day.

[ShrimpBrime]

At 250w, it's not what your processor can do for you, it's what you can do for your processor.

Obviously this is new. Not mainstream to have such a high core count and high TDP. Like when everyone said quads where not needed. Dual core was fine. Then quad became a mainstream. 6 cores was skipped to 8 cores. Heck even cell phones mid tier and up are running 8 cores/threads now-a-days....

Before you know it, 32/64 will be the norm, but we will see higher core counts and lower TDP as engineers perfect the process and move on to even more cores.

The reason why more cores is because the die shrink process and the amount of compute power is at the peak. The insulator and leakage will be an issue after or smaller than 4nm. So it's turned into a thread count race.

Soon processors and AI will surpass human intelligence. you won't need to do F@H in the next 50 years or so. Computing will likely cure a lot of human issues from biological to mathematical to simple decision making. Should I go to the store now or wait till later? CPU says go now the sale is almost over.

[stormchaser]

Jun 11, 2018 23:31:10 GMT -5 ShrimpBrime said:

Soon processors and AI will surpass human intelligence. you won't need to do F@H in the next 50 years or so. Computing will likely cure a lot of human issues from biological to mathematical to simple decision making. Should I go to the store now or wait till later? CPU says go now the sale is almost over.


Shall we go down this road? lol. The levels of performance we are seeing from the CPU industry nowadays mark an amazing place in human developmental and industrial history. The barriers are being shattered year after year. It makes me wonder what the next step will be once manufacturing reaches the 4nm plateau. But in a paradoxical way, technology in my opinion will eventually bring humanity to it's knees (and this is after your correct premise that it will cure a myriad of human issues). But this gets into more of a philosophical or religious debate and there's no need to clutter up this cool place with any of that. 

[ShrimpBrime]

Yea it's a good road to go down, while people squander about, "Oh my Intel is faster" , or "Yea but my AMD has twice the thread count" and so on.

really in today's computing era, that super fast E-Peen search is coming to an end. You even see companys like HP and DELL offering AMD cpu choices for servers while in the past it was always Intel. Yes they had option for AMD, but now a days actually advertise it when before they really didn't at all.

I mean look from past to present and how the talk is changed quite a bit. Watching overclocking being a pretty big thing, well it's not any more. You don't NEED to overclock todays processors while they are very plenty fast per core with all applications vs say 5 to 10 years ago... well it's a different story now.

We used to overclock for certain things, and people still do such as folding at home, rosetta at home and other number crunching programs to faster results. Now just throw a bunch of cores at it. While today's house hold PC's are running more cores than servers 10 years ago, you don't even see many guys setting up multiple rigs for number crunching. Just go out and buy a 64 thread AMD processor and your set.

PC's overclock themselves now. click a button and done. I remember when software was so glitchy, you where just better off going to bios and resetting a million times. But now, between software and bios, just click turbo and it's faster now. Too easy. THIS is why you are seeing a dwindling over-clock'er count. It's just too easy. There's no purpose or drive to actually tweak your system out.

Now I don't typically do religion. Or politics. But simple back and forth with no feelings hurt is ok here. And if I hurt feelings, I'm never intending to do so unless you can actually piss me off that bad with simple words.

What will end Human kind won't be computers or software, You are correct in saying it will be Political and religious Dogma.

EDIT: When I use the term overclocker, I mean the guys that go beyond changing a multiplier once with an air cooler and call themselves an overclocker. I'm talking about the guys that have run stripped operating systems using Nlite and tiny os ect. I'm talking about that guy that stuck his PC out the window in -10c temps to actually achieve some real speeds. I'm talking about the guys that seal motherboards and hand craft LN2 pots and take score from guys with expensive store bought hardware. I'm talking about overclockers. Real ones. People that dedicate to their family and come to a level headed outcome. I'm talking about the Worlds fastest overclocking team on the planet and it includes a very large number of people out side this team too. 

[stormchaser]

If you read the book of Revelation it talks about the "mark of the beast" which will be a micro chip implant (such as RFID) in the right hand or the forehead. If you look at what God did to scatter Humanity, he used the Tower of Babel to break us down by ethnicity via the deployment of language (it is true, anthropologists really can't tell you where language originated -- because it originated from God). The pace we are going at offers a full 180* change in the way people interact. Technology as a whole brings people together. It is a uniting force which for the most part is a good thing. Unless you look at the UN Headquarters building. I know it's a little difficult to take this seriously, but the United Nations Headquarters building resembles in very close detail what the tower of Babel looked like. This is remarkable because it's an indication that humanity has come full circle, embracing unity and sole purpose in what would seem to be, at first blush, "a good thing". In God's eyes, this is not a good thing. Because when Humanity draws together under a sole purpose and determination, this can only mean one thing: That Satan's will can operate unchecked. And his will is a bad thing because he only comes to steal kill and destroy. And that's his mission with Humanity. His greatest trick it to make people believe that he doesn't exist. And he does a pretty damn good job at it. But when you see pure evil in human form, like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer, it's very difficult to draw the conclusion that evil is not real and does not have a headmaster. And what this means, relative to technology, is that Satan can utilize our unity for his purposes. In the last days the Bible talks about a "one world government" that will rule over the entire globe. One rule, one leader, if you will. And technology will be employed to keep track of every single human being. This is not a good thing. Because once you take "the mark of the beast" it's essentially a death sentence. Why? Because it's an indicator that you've sworn allegiance to the God of this world, no less than Satan himself. And don't get me wrong, I fully support technology and the benefits the tech industry has to offer humanity. I fully embrace technology in all aspects of life and hell I've even made a career out of it for periods of my own life. So I'm definitely not a luddite! I just know that we are getting ever so close to the end. And I see a dark storm cloud on the horizon. But what the hell, I'm a storm-chaser at heart So just sit back and enjoy the ride! lol

[Mr.Scott]

You've already taken the number. Your SS#.
Time is already counting down.

Boy, could we have a discussion.

[Bones]

Yes we could.

Technology itself is harmless for the most part, normally you see it being done as a way or means of helping us. It's when the purpose of it gets twisted is when it becomes a problem and mankind will be the one(s) responsible for that in the end.
Think about it for a sec if you will..... Direct deposit, credit cards, debit cards, bitcoin..... It's all an indicator of the cashless society to come and the ills that will come along with it. Barcodes, serial numbers.... Pretty much everything made nowadays has them and everything that's scanned at the Wal-Mart or wherever you go is logged and it's known who has it... More or less a form of "Inventory".
And if you have an inventory list you can implement inventory control too.... All the above relates to the part about "You can't buy, sell, trade or barter" when these times come to be.

Then there's the big brother concept.... And that gets crazy too.
I mean for example WHY does your fridge need internet access? Yep - More and more are being made that's wireless-capable of accessing the web and you can bet that's just one example of how "Connected" we've become without fully realizing it. That along with your toaster, clock..... The list goes on and I mean they always worked fine before without it.... So WHY does any of it need web access?

The Bible in what it says and in the detail it gives spells it all out, all you have to do is think about how what it says correlates with what's going on these days to see it.

OK - Off the soapbox now.... Have a nice day.

[stormchaser]

Hey whenever you guys want to chat I'm down. Can't hurt hashing out the secrets of our universe, right? lol

As for ThreadRipper I see there has been a leaked CPU screenshot of this "beast" in action, found this on overclockers.com

[ShrimpBrime]

Yes, drool. Decent clock rate, decent low voltage. Yea, I could rock one of those. Got some TDP, but I imagine that's the BIG chip and there will be others at lower clocks yes? Perhaps lower voltage with that? Getting sub 200w perhaps.

[WhiteWulfe]

Wait... 3.4GHz... Please say that's all core speeds....

[ShrimpBrime]

Looks like base clock yes. OC headroom is probably very little though.... Depending on cooling. I'm waiting to see real numbers for the overclocking.