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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 6, 2017 1:49:39 GMT -5
I'm looking to do a Slim Case build to compete at my family TV for gaming and such. So recently I've purchased a few items, but not sure about a couple things.
Have 2 cards to choose from. 760 or 770 GTX. Both pretty big, but I want/need at least this much Gpu. Also have a Titan 6GB. I gotta choose one of these three...
Have i5 4690K. Or I could buy some Ryzen action. Older hardware a plenty, but looking for future proofing faster than the next gen consoles. So 6 core Ryzen. (65W) or smaller.
Cannot be larger than mATX motherbaord. So I'd have to get a different board for the current i5. That's not an issue. Either will suit my needs just fine.
But the case..... Do I need a ribbon cable for the GPU right? The slim cases I see look like I need it, but doesn't appear to come with the case.
Does any one know of any good gaming slim cases that can house monster video cards?
A little larger than an XBOX but the design concept is my desire.
Please help a fellow!
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 6, 2017 7:55:13 GMT -5
Slim designs are more about heat control than anything else. Use whatever is the coolest CPU and GPU wise. You will not need more than 4 cores for anything.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 6, 2017 8:25:15 GMT -5
770 and 760 only come as full height cards so I am not sure about the slim design.
I would probably put the 4690k in and buy a Ryzen to play with. (just my thoughts)
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 6, 2017 16:56:02 GMT -5
if its just for your living room use the 4790k and titan its better then the 760 and 770 save Ryzen for yourself
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 6, 2017 20:05:39 GMT -5
Yea the slim cases have a slot for big cards. That's not an issue. Its the PSU.
I have space for a small mini tower perhaps.
Isn't the 4690k higher in wattage then Zen?
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Post by alpi on May 6, 2017 20:27:28 GMT -5
Yea the slim cases have a slot for big cards. That's not an issue. Its the PSU. I have space for a small mini tower perhaps. Isn't the 4690k higher in wattage then Zen? Don't know if You have some cooler issues good to know that Haswell's can be downclocked with much lower voltages. You can easily set up a 3.2 - 3.5 ghz setup so get much lower tdp. Here is a screen from my 4790K, clocked to 3.2 with 0.85V max core voltages. Ok below is just a measurement by hwinfo software but it's pretty funny, doesn't it ?  We can say it's an I3 tdp but with 8 threads.  |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 6, 2017 20:55:12 GMT -5
Yea the slim cases have a slot for big cards. That's not an issue. Its the PSU. I have space for a small mini tower perhaps. Isn't the 4690k higher in wattage then Zen? 4690k is 88w 1800x 95w same with 1700x and 1700 is 65w so it depends on which one you want to get remember the 1700 is $350 1700x $399 is $499 1600x is 95w and $250 1600 is 65w and $219 remember you already own the 4690k too as for PSU the GTX 770 and titan 6GB both have a 8 and 6 pin pcie as long as you got 650w PSU you are good to go using the titan |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 7, 2017 11:16:31 GMT -5
Would aim for 1600 Zen or lower. I have plenty of PSU, but just wouldn't fit a slim case. The slim idea is not good. Although I'd like to have it small like that, it doesn't look promising without spending coin.
I could use the 4690K. It's a good chip. The board is too big though, So I'd still be into purchasing at least that.
Any recommendations on a smaller form factor case? mATX is the aim here. small but manageable that can support a standard PSU then.
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 7, 2017 11:27:59 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 7, 2017 13:17:17 GMT -5
That Raijintek looks NICE!! I cleaned out the lower cabinet so I can totally enclose it out of site. So it won't really be seen, but I like the idea of the board on it's back like that. I've put it in the shopping cart for consideration. This is what was my original intention for a build, but not sure it's quite big enough. And the PSU I gotta buy too... www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811108065&ignorebbr=1There was a Slim design that did house a regular ATX power supply, but be darned I can find it again. Had a nice little video review. I failed to save it in my cart  |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 7, 2017 16:56:28 GMT -5
yea that is a really cool case I didnt know if you would have the case out in the open or not remember if you in close it in a cabinet it needs to get air inside there I did that once and my PC kept overheating till I cut 2 holes in it and added low RPM fans to move air through it but mine was closed in on all 4 sides so the heat stayed in there if the back of it is open you dont have to worry
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 7, 2017 17:43:22 GMT -5
I got the hole saw. That's no problem  |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 7, 2017 18:11:59 GMT -5
lol yea that is what I used I put a hole in the sides and 1 in the back with a fan mounted to the back hole pulling the air out it worked great but then I ended up getting a new case that didnt fit in there lol so I ditched the desk and gave it to a friend
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Post by Vinster on May 8, 2017 10:52:11 GMT -5
That Raijintek looks NICE!! I cleaned out the lower cabinet so I can totally enclose it out of site. So it won't really be seen, but I like the idea of the board on it's back like that. I've put it in the shopping cart for consideration. This is what was my original intention for a build, but not sure it's quite big enough. And the PSU I gotta buy too... www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811108065&ignorebbr=1There was a Slim design that did house a regular ATX power supply, but be darned I can find it again. Had a nice little video review. I failed to save it in my cart I have the older version of that case. it does the job but the e7200 I have in there with a GT210 1GB GPU keeps the inner case really warm. I think the CPU idles at 50 degrees. it would need some holes and added fans to do what you are thinking. have you thought about Silverstone? they make a flurry of matx cases that are geared to HTPC functions; www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=silverstone&ignorear=0&N=100008308&isNodeId=1Vin |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 8, 2017 14:03:24 GMT -5
Ah. Now there's a list of nice cases. I gotta browse this one for a bit... Thank you.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 9, 2017 0:46:36 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 9, 2017 1:38:15 GMT -5
I made the order for the Raijintek case along with AMD Ryzen 1400, Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB, Asus Prime A320M-K and will run the GTX 770 along with 850w Psu until I find something reasonable priced and less wattage. Should make for a good build. The 1400 is 83% faster than the i5 with multi-threading lower wattage 65w vs 88w and also has more L2 qand L3 cache. So for future proofing a little I went small on the CPU and can always add threads later. When I get all the stuff, pictures will be posted. Like a little build log, but without some major logging action going on. I'm not much of a lumber jack. |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 9, 2017 7:27:12 GMT -5
I made the order for the Raijintek case along with AMD Ryzen 1400, Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB, Asus Prime A320M-K and will run the GTX 770 along with 850w Psu until I find something reasonable priced and less wattage. Should make for a good build. The 1400 is 83% faster than the i5 with multi-threading lower wattage 65w vs 88w and also has more L2 qand L3 cache. So for future proofing a little I went small on the CPU and can always add threads later. When I get all the stuff, pictures will be posted. Like a little build log, but without some major logging action going on. I'm not much of a lumber jack. actually in multi threaded work loads is the only time the 1500 beats the i5 when it comes to gaming it doesnt do that hot but it is $100 cheaper too www.pcworld.com/article/3186811/computers/ryzen-5-review-vs-core-i5-ryzen-5-1600x-wins-for-best-mainstream-power-cpu.html?page=3 |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 9, 2017 10:23:54 GMT -5
The Ryzen 1400 is comparable to i5 4690K and generally within 10 fps. Witcher 3 Zen with the upper hand.... But I'm not worried about such a low difference ion gaming. We'll be building Roblox maps and running a server or two as well so the higher thread count is going to help!
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Post by Vinster on May 9, 2017 10:29:11 GMT -5
The Ryzen 1400 is comparable to i5 4690K and generally within 10 fps. Witcher 3 Zen with the upper hand.... But I'm not worried about such a low difference ion gaming. We'll be building Roblox maps and running a server or two as well so the higher thread count is going to help! you make Roblox Maps? Vin |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 9, 2017 11:03:32 GMT -5
The Ryzen 1400 is comparable to i5 4690K and generally within 10 fps. Witcher 3 Zen with the upper hand.... But I'm not worried about such a low difference ion gaming. We'll be building Roblox maps and running a server or two as well so the higher thread count is going to help! every single review I have seen shows the 1400 and the 4690k getting the same FPS and not just one every single one I looked at and for another $60 the stock 7600k beats the breaks off of the 1600x OC 4.0GHZ in gaming and as for the witcher 3 the i5 7500 non k beats the 1400 project cars same thing GTA V same shit the 7500 non k is only 30$ more and for another $30 on top that the 7600k is right there which out performs the 1600x at the same price Ryzen 5 1600X / 1600 / 1500X / 1400 vs Haswell Benchmarks vs i7 4790K / i5 4690K Ryzen 5 1400 OC vs i5 7500 Test in 6 Games (GTX 1060) |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 9, 2017 11:20:41 GMT -5
The Ryzen 1400 is comparable to i5 4690K and generally within 10 fps. Witcher 3 Zen with the upper hand.... But I'm not worried about such a low difference ion gaming. We'll be building Roblox maps and running a server or two as well so the higher thread count is going to help! you make Roblox Maps? Vin Not yet  But that is partially why we are building this rig. It's fun to play others maps, but I have experience with the source engine and everything I read about roblox puts it into a pretty simple category for map building. Probably a minecraft server too. But as of lately, the kids aren't into minecrafting so much.. @ Shady - I've had this conversation a many times. I don't argue over fps while my eye sees little more than 30 fps which is what most cinema runs at on the big screen. So 100AMD vs 125Intel doesn't justify my final decisions. While we play mostly less intensive games, this rig will also serve as a server and workstation also. Partially why I've choosen to go with the 770 while keeping TDP to a lower amount. I'd rather use the Titan for the 6GB and have no desire to purchase a brand new GTX right now. Might even use this for a file server. It's got the power for it. I can down the current aging one....... Think that's what I'm going to do. Need some new drives first. My WD Green 640GB drives are getting old. |
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Post by Vinster on May 10, 2017 11:08:20 GMT -5
Not yet But that is partially why we are building this rig. It's fun to play others maps, but I have experience with the source engine and everything I read about roblox puts it into a pretty simple category for map building. Probably a minecraft server too. But as of lately, the kids aren't into minecrafting so much.. My Kids play it. my son (9, turns 10 in under 2 weeks) and my daughter (7) they love it. They have an obsession with Five Nights at Freddies... I don't get it.. and then there's this tall skinny shaded character that they run away from.. I still don't get it... But I do have issues with it to some degree where a map they've been playing for a while "Gets Hacked" and some of the kid posters on the wall aren't kid friendly anymore... I've pulled their Roblox access a few times but this issue of it not being kid friendly keeps coming up. it's rather annoying. Vin |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 10, 2017 12:59:10 GMT -5
Not yet But that is partially why we are building this rig. It's fun to play others maps, but I have experience with the source engine and everything I read about roblox puts it into a pretty simple category for map building. Probably a minecraft server too. But as of lately, the kids aren't into minecrafting so much.. @ Shady - I've had this conversation a many times. I don't argue over fps while my eye sees little more than 30 fps which is what most cinema runs at on the big screen. So 100AMD vs 125Intel doesn't justify my final decisions. While we play mostly less intensive games, this rig will also serve as a server and workstation also. Partially why I've choosen to go with the 770 while keeping TDP to a lower amount. I'd rather use the Titan for the 6GB and have no desire to purchase a brand new GTX right now. Might even use this for a file server. It's got the power for it. I can down the current aging one....... Think that's what I'm going to do. Need some new drives first. My WD Green 640GB drives are getting old. that whole 30FPS thing is a myth LMAO the human eye doesnt see in FPS in reality but the human eye can see anywhere from 60-150FPS and peak of 1000FPS I just was talking about this earlier today with someone else but if you are only playing shit like minecraft with it then it dont matter just dont plan to play no AAA titles with max setting that are coming out and as for server stuff I ran a world of warcraft server off of a damn AMD Phenom 9750 quad core and Im sure WoW is a lot more intense then minecraft and roblox "Although the human eye and brain can interpret up to 1000 frames per second, someone sitting in a chair and actively guessing at how high a framerate is can, on average, interpet up to about 150 frames per second." |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 10, 2017 13:06:09 GMT -5
Not yet But that is partially why we are building this rig. It's fun to play others maps, but I have experience with the source engine and everything I read about roblox puts it into a pretty simple category for map building. Probably a minecraft server too. But as of lately, the kids aren't into minecrafting so much.. My Kids play it. my son (9, turns 10 in under 2 weeks) and my daughter (7) they love it. They have an obsession with Five Nights at Freddies... I don't get it.. and then there's this tall skinny shaded character that they run away from.. I still don't get it... But I do have issues with it to some degree where a map they've been playing for a while "Gets Hacked" and some of the kid posters on the wall aren't kid friendly anymore... I've pulled their Roblox access a few times but this issue of it not being kid friendly keeps coming up. it's rather annoying. Vin I wouldn't have any control over hacking teenagers and adults. Those hacks are on the game engine just like any other game..... There's only so much that can be done about hacking. The access to computers and how fast kids pick up on software modifications is pretty impressive, but none the less just goes to show how bored these kids can really get. Like little mini terrorists in my opinion. All you can do it parent the best you can. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 10, 2017 13:07:54 GMT -5
Not yet But that is partially why we are building this rig. It's fun to play others maps, but I have experience with the source engine and everything I read about roblox puts it into a pretty simple category for map building. Probably a minecraft server too. But as of lately, the kids aren't into minecrafting so much.. @ Shady - I've had this conversation a many times. I don't argue over fps while my eye sees little more than 30 fps which is what most cinema runs at on the big screen. So 100AMD vs 125Intel doesn't justify my final decisions. While we play mostly less intensive games, this rig will also serve as a server and workstation also. Partially why I've choosen to go with the 770 while keeping TDP to a lower amount. I'd rather use the Titan for the 6GB and have no desire to purchase a brand new GTX right now. Might even use this for a file server. It's got the power for it. I can down the current aging one....... Think that's what I'm going to do. Need some new drives first. My WD Green 640GB drives are getting old. that whole 30FPS thing is a myth LMAO the human eye doesnt see in FPS in reality but the human eye can see anywhere from 60-150FPS and peak of 1000FPS I just was talking about this earlier today with someone else but if you are only playing shit like minecraft with it then it dont matter just dont plan to play no AAA titles with max setting that are coming out and as for server stuff I ran a world of warcraft server off of a damn AMD Phenom 9750 quad core and Im sure WoW is a lot more intense then minecraft and roblox "Although the human eye and brain can interpret up to 1000 frames per second, someone sitting in a chair and actively guessing at how high a framerate is can, on average, interpet up to about 150 frames per second." The Ages old debate. But I had already stated my point being that I could care less if I am loosing out on 10 whole frames a second while paying half the price for twice as many threads and up-gradable to 16 thread in the future. |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 10, 2017 13:43:45 GMT -5
that whole 30FPS thing is a myth LMAO the human eye doesnt see in FPS in reality but the human eye can see anywhere from 60-150FPS and peak of 1000FPS I just was talking about this earlier today with someone else but if you are only playing shit like minecraft with it then it dont matter just dont plan to play no AAA titles with max setting that are coming out and as for server stuff I ran a world of warcraft server off of a damn AMD Phenom 9750 quad core and Im sure WoW is a lot more intense then minecraft and roblox "Although the human eye and brain can interpret up to 1000 frames per second, someone sitting in a chair and actively guessing at how high a framerate is can, on average, interpet up to about 150 frames per second." The Ages old debate. But I had already stated my point being that I could care less if I am loosing out on 10 whole frames a second while paying half the price for twice as many threads and up-gradable to 16 thread in the future. I cant wait to see X299 |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 11, 2017 0:45:46 GMT -5
The Ages old debate. But I had already stated my point being that I could care less if I am loosing out on 10 whole frames a second while paying half the price for twice as many threads and up-gradable to 16 thread in the future. I cant wait to see X299 Me too, but that's about it for me. I'll view it from my Ryzen build (At least on one of them) and happily enjoy the awesomeness. Intel has always been a little pricey for a family man such as myself. The 4690K set up I have I got used after 3 more generations of Intel chips went by. Since my current Ryzen is comparable to this in gaming, It's also priced right, Happy to stick with AMD for a while. My daily for the past months has been on Intel. And quite frankly with going from FX-8 threads to 4, I saw a tremendous frame rate increase, but lacks that multi-tasking enthusiasm I obtain. And no the Intel chip doesn't run cooler while having a much higher thermal throttle than AMD. The throttle and thermtrip are very different. The Intel rig actually releases more BTU than the AMD rig. Just because I can run it 75c all day long no problems. AMD however (up till Ryzen basically) is quite different while running better stability under 60c on almost all chips. Thermtrip for AMD FX is 90c - While Intel Thermal throttles at this temp. I know these are merely items I am deflecting on, but I base my purchases on more things than just a Frame rate and dollar amount. I do take a lot of other things into consideration. |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 11, 2017 6:16:42 GMT -5
I guess I never told anyone buy my last system was ALL AMD from CPU to GPUs and it was a FX8350 once that CPU hit above 65c it started falling on its face hence why it has that water cooler on it it ran way hotter then my 5820k at stock speed and voltage and my 5820k is OC to 4.5ghz with the same cooler on both oh and for X299 they will have i5 for HEDT this time around  |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 11, 2017 22:47:13 GMT -5
Nice looking build There.
Got everything together now except the case. That will arrive monday. I got 2 Sandisk 120GB SSDs for the raid 0 operating system which I purchased Windows 10 home to stay legit. Got a 1TB WD Black 64mb cache 7200 rpm drive and will add more later down the road. Still on the fence with using this as a file server while the current one works fine. Really it stores mostly home videos and pictures......
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We can say it's an I3 tdp but with 8 threads.
