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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 23, 2017 0:59:17 GMT -5
AMD.com Ryzen overclocking guide.www.amd.com/system/files/2017-03/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-and-AMD-Ryzen-Master-Overclocking-Users-Guide.pdfRyzen and Hyper X compatibility chart pdf. media.kingston.com/pdfs/hx-product-memory-ddr4-amd-ryzen-and-hx-compatibility-us.pdfSoftware Optimization Guide for AMD Family 17h Processorsdeveloper.amd.com/wordpress/media/2013/12/55723_SOG_Fam_17h_Processors_3.00.pdfGSkill Ram Configurator - www.gskill.com/en/configuratorGSkill trident Z kits for AMD www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-releases-amd-compatible-trident-z-rgb-kitsRyzen and Corsair compatability list.Compatible Dominator Platinum DRAM: CMD16GX4M2B3000C15 Compatible Vengeance LPX DRAM: CMK32GX4M4A2133C15 CMK32GX4M4A2400C16 CMK64GX4M4A2400C16 CMK16GX4M2A2400C16 CMK32GX4M2A2400C16 CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 CMK8GX4M1A2666C16 CMK16GX4M2Z2400C16 CMK16GX4M1A2400C16 CMK8GX4M1A2400C16 CMK8GX4M1A2400C16R Kingston Hyper X support.FURY DDR4 2400MHz Black Heat Spreader HX424C15FB/4 HX424C15FBK2/8 HX424C15FBK4/6 HX424C15FB2/8 HX424C15FB2K2/16 HX424C15FB2K4/32 HX424C15FB/16 HX424C15FBK2/32 HX424C15FBK4/64 FURY DDR4 2400MHz Red Heat Spreader HX424C15FR2/8 HX424C15FR2K2/16 HX424C15FR2K4/32 HX424C15FR/16 HX424C15FRK2/32 HX424C15FRK4/64 FURY DDR4 2400MHz White Heat Spreader HX424C15FW2/8 HX424C15FW2K2/16 HX424C15FW2K4/32 HX424C15FW/16 HX424C15FWK2/32 HX424C15FWK4/64 FURY DDR4 2666MHz Timing Change Black Heat Spreader HX426C16FB2/8 HX426C16FB2K2/16 HX426C16FB2K4/32 HX426C16FBK2/32 FURY DDR4 2666MHz Timing Change & Red Heat Spreader HX426C16FR2/8 HX426C16FR2K2/16 HX426C16FR2K4/32 HX426C16FRK2/32 FURY DDR4 2666MHz Timing Change & White Heat Spreader HX426C16FW2/8 HX426C16FW2K2/16 HX426C16FW2K4/32 FURY DDR4 2933MHz Black Heat Spreader HX429C17FB2/8 HX429C17FB2K2/16 HX429C17FB2K4/32 HX429C17FB/16 HX429C17FBK2/32 HX429C17FBK4/64 FURY DDR4 2933MHz White Heat Spreader HX429C17FW2/8 HX429C17FW2K2/16 HX429C17FW2K4/32 HX429C17FW/16 HX429C17FWK2/32 HX429C17FWK4/64 FURY DDR4 2933MHz Red Heat Spreader HX429C17FR2/8 HX429C17FR2K2/16 HX429C17FR2K4/32 HX429C17FR/16 HX429C17FRK2/32 HX429C17FRK4/64 FURY DDR4 3200MHz Black Heat Spreader HX432C18FB2/8 HX432C18FB2K2/16 HX432C18FB/16 HX432C18FBK2/32 FURY DDR4 3200MHz White Heat Spreader HX432C18FW2/8 HX432C18FW2K2/16 HX432C18FW/16 HX432C18FWK2/32 FURY DDR4 3200MHz Red Heat Spreader HX432C18FR2/8 HX432C18FR2K2/16 HX432C18FR/16 HX432C18FRK2/32 Predator DDR4 2400MHz Black Heat Spreader HX424C12PB3/8 HX424C12PB3K2/16 HX424C12PB3K2/32 HX424C12PB3/16 HX424C12PB3K4/32 HX424C12PB3K4/64 Predator DDR4 2666MHz Black Heat Spreader HX426C13PB3/8 HX426C13PB3K2/16 HX426C13PB3K4/32 HX426C13PB3/16 HX426C13PB3K2/32 HX426C13PB3K4/64 Predator DDR4 2933MHz RGB with Black Heat Spreader HX429C15PB3A/8 HX429C15PB3AK2/16 HX429C15PB3AK4/32 Predator DDR4 3000MHz* Black Heat Spreader HX430C15PB3K2/8 HX430C15PB3K4/16 HX430C15PB3/8 HX430C15PB3K2/16 HX430C15PB3K4/32 HX430C15PB3/16 HX430C15PB3K2/32 HX430C15PB3K4/64 HX430C15PB3K8/128 Predator DDR4 3200MHz Black Heat Spreader HX432C16PB3K2/8 HX432C16PB3K4/16 HX432C16PB3K2/16 HX432C16PB3K4/32 Compatible Valueselect DRAM: CMV8GX4M1A2133C15 CMV16GX4M1A2133C15 Validated Adata - XPG DDR4 models XPG Flame 2400, 2666, 2933 XPG Z1 2400 - 3000mhz I'll add more later.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 24, 2017 0:57:32 GMT -5
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Post by Aleslammer on Apr 26, 2017 18:13:16 GMT -5
Stupid question does the F4 socket use the same bolt pattern for coolers as AM3 etc.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Apr 26, 2017 18:28:32 GMT -5
No. It's different. Most cooler manufacturers are giving away mount kits for their existing products though.
CPU - Length - Height
Am3/3+ - 96mm - 48mm
AM4 - 90mm - 54mm
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Apr 26, 2017 18:57:47 GMT -5
My Ryzen 1800X should be here today I have ordered a AM4 plate for that EK Supremacy that Shane had the new plate just has slotted holes in it and its still got the holes for 939. My board should be here soon I have been told.  The water block is a story in itself I put it on the FX5950 and the contact was pitiful. Its disgraceful that they can sell a premier block like that and it can be so bad. I have lapped it there was 2 layers of Nickel in the picture you can see 2 little pieces of the top layer of nickel near the right and left edge. the top layer of nickel basically came off in strips I actually used a hobby knife to get it off the edges. Thats just a rough finish in the pic.   |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Apr 26, 2017 19:04:06 GMT -5
Just based on your pic, I will never buy their products now.
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Post by zila1 on Apr 26, 2017 19:25:39 GMT -5
That's just disgraceful.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Apr 26, 2017 20:38:25 GMT -5
The only advantage of nickel plating is that copper tarnishes I have already run the holes down slightly with a countersink so the top of the screws are below the face of the block and I can give it a quick lap if I have to without disassembly.
I am going to run the countersink in the holes on my copper faced one to so the screws are below the face I usually rub a bit of vaso over the face or it when not in use so it doesnt tarnish.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Apr 27, 2017 9:32:28 GMT -5
Dont talk about the Salt air.
I live 300yds from the beach if I leave my waterblocks out CLR wont help them after a week or 2.
Graphics cards and Motherboards have to be put in their bags and boxes after use if they are left out the solder joints corrode and turn to shit.
My daily runners only last a couple of years.
For this hobby salt air is a bastard.
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Post by Aleslammer on Apr 27, 2017 9:48:12 GMT -5
Had a True that was a little convex but no where close to that block will go with Zila1 and say disgraceful!
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Apr 27, 2017 17:49:48 GMT -5
The funny thing about it is the other one I got that is just copper faced no Nickel plating is nice and flat I checked it after finding this one was so bad and it makes great contact with the X5960 which are a big CPU.
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 1, 2017 0:18:12 GMT -5
Dont talk about the Salt air. I live 300yds from the beach if I leave my waterblocks out CLR wont help them after a week or 2. Graphics cards and Motherboards have to be put in their bags and boxes after use if they are left out the solder joints corrode and turn to shit. My daily runners only last a couple of years. For this hobby salt air is a bastard. oh I know I lived just as close as you do to the gulf lmao so I know all about the salty ass air here in FL lmao |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 26, 2017 6:13:49 GMT -5
well if this bloke is right, the temps specified for the ryzens arent right, even at stock no they arent right at all they have a 20c offset they are actually 20c less then what they are reading AMD even said themselves that it has the offset I dunno why they just couldnt make it read the right damn temps people that dont know are gonna shit when see those temps |
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 26, 2017 16:13:43 GMT -5
my 5820k which is 140w CPU never goes over 140w even OC to 4.5ghz I think it peaks around 120w under full load lol Bullshit. 140w load at stock. If you OC it the load WILL be higher. Physics and thermodynamics man. You can't stop either. And if you read closely, that article states 108w load at stock. The 200w was overclocked. Manufacturers only guaranty TDP at stock settings. That mission was fulfilled. Manufacturers guaranty nothing when overclocking. |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 26, 2017 17:54:01 GMT -5
my 5820k which is 140w CPU never goes over 140w even OC to 4.5ghz I think it peaks around 120w under full load lol Bullshit. 140w load at stock. If you OC it the load WILL be higher. Physics and thermodynamics man. You can't stop either. And if you read closely, that article states 108w load at stock. The 200w was overclocked. Manufacturers only guaranty TDP at stock settings. That mission was fulfilled. Manufacturers guaranty nothing when overclocking. FYI the 1700 is 65w TDP stock "At stock settings, the Ryzen 7 1700 system draws 108 watts but when overclocked, that peaks at 214 watts! That’s a gain of 106 watts over the 65-watt TDP that the part is rated at." straight from the article all my point was that is was 106w over I never said nothing more and as for the 140w with mine I was just going by what HWinfo says for TDP 2nd off at full system load at stock it only pulls 30w less then the 140w TDP 6800k FROM THEIR OWN CHART 3rd is you look at the STOCK 1700x it pulls 1w less then a 6800k 140w TDP CPU and 1700x is ONLY 95w and that is stock FOR BOTH so you tell me how that is mission fulfilled?  ? also look at the 95w 1800x it pulls 17w MORE then a 140w 6800k at stock settings also if what you claimed is true wouldnt the 6800k 6900k and 6950x ALL pull the same wattage being they are all 140w TDP CPUs? ? with your claim of 140w at stock  |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 26, 2017 18:58:28 GMT -5
Take that article you are reading with a grain of salt.
They are measuring watts of electrical power from the wall probably with a cheap meter they bought at Wallmart.
TDP (Thermal Design Power) is the heat a CPU produces and a bit different to the watts of power it consumes even though they are related.
AMD bins Ryzen 7 by the voltage that is required to achieve a certain frequency they are the same silicon a 1700 is the same as a 1800x the 1800x just clocks better with lower voltage.
Of course the Ryzen 1700 will use more power clocked at 4Ghz it would probably be using more voltage to do it.
Shady your claim that your 5820k 140W doesnt pull any more power under 100% load clocked from 3.6 to 4.5 is a bit farcical the things that raise TDP are voltage, clockspeed and workload.
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 26, 2017 19:13:33 GMT -5
Take that article you are reading with a grain of salt. They are measuring watts of electrical power from the wall probably with a cheap meter they bought at Wallmart. TDP (Thermal Design Power) is the heat a CPU produces and a bit different to the watts of power it consumes even though they are related. AMD bins Ryzen 7 by the voltage that is required to achieve a certain frequency they are the same silicon a 1700 is the same as a 1800x the 1800x just clocks better with lower voltage. Of course the Ryzen 1700 will use more power clocked at 4Ghz it would probably be using more voltage to do it. Shady your claim that your 5820k 140W doesnt pull any more power under 100% load clocked from 3.6 to 4.5 is a bit farcical the things that raise TDP are voltage, clockspeed and workload. oh I know they are measuring wall power now take what you said about the CPUs being binned 1800x clocks better with lower voltage right? then why does the 1800x pull more power then them all? wouldnt it pull less? so you are telling me just because of clock speed its raising the power that much even using less voltage?? I guess I dont get none of this shit also like I said if 6800k 6900k and 6950x are ALL 140w TDP shouldnt they ALL PULL the same vwattage at stock??? as for my CPU I did say that 120w TDP was what it was saying in HWmonitor and we know you really cant trust that thing when you ope your HWmonitor go to the TDP section and see what yours says it hits while stock and while OC and then me and you can compare I dont like looking dumb I really wanna understand |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 26, 2017 19:38:33 GMT -5
here lets do this open HWMonitor and see if you can find package section like below open CPUz go to the bench tab and click stress and see what you get  |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 26, 2017 21:41:06 GMT -5
Shady Open another instance of CPUz on the CPU tab as well so we can see what voltage its running at under load.
HW monitor is saying Vcore .952v and the VID is 1.256v (the VID is the standard voltage that is programmed into the CPU that the board will use to set voltage on Auto)
HW Monitor is way off beam there thats for sure.
I will run HW monitor on the Ryzen later.
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 26, 2017 23:37:55 GMT -5
Shady Open another instance of CPUz on the CPU tab as well so we can see what voltage its running at under load. HW monitor is saying Vcore .952v and the VID is 1.256v (the VID is the standard voltage that is programmed into the CPU that the board will use to set voltage on Auto) HW Monitor is way off beam there thats for sure. I will run HW monitor on the Ryzen later. ok wait CPUz says 1.256v I have 1.255 set in the bios so you want me to set everything on auto and stock and try it also |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 27, 2017 6:48:50 GMT -5
ok well when I know for a fact in the bios its 1.255v which I set with LLC and also reads same in bios as CPUz and HWMonitor we are doing this to compare I dont have the stuff some of you got and I like to compare stuff and its hard to trust people you dont know or stupid ass articles and yes I know sometimes HWmonitor and CPUz read the wrong sensors I am just trying to get a general idea here
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 27, 2017 6:57:46 GMT -5
Bullshit. 140w load at stock. If you OC it the load WILL be higher. Physics and thermodynamics man. You can't stop either. And if you read closely, that article states 108w load at stock. The 200w was overclocked. Manufacturers only guaranty TDP at stock settings. That mission was fulfilled. Manufacturers guaranty nothing when overclocking. FYI the 1700 is 65w TDP stock "At stock settings, the Ryzen 7 1700 system draws 108 watts but when overclocked, that peaks at 214 watts! That’s a gain of 106 watts over the 65-watt TDP that the part is rated at." straight from the article all my point was that is was 106w over I never said nothing more and as for the 140w with mine I was just going by what HWinfo says for TDP 2nd off at full system load at stock it only pulls 30w less then the 140w TDP 6800k FROM THEIR OWN CHART 3rd is you look at the STOCK 1700x it pulls 1w less then a 6800k 140w TDP CPU and 1700x is ONLY 95w and that is stock FOR BOTH so you tell me how that is mission fulfilled? ? also look at the 95w 1800x it pulls 17w MORE then a 140w 6800k at stock settings also if what you claimed is true wouldnt the 6800k 6900k and 6950x ALL pull the same wattage being they are all 140w TDP CPUs? ? with your claim of 140w at stock Chart is misleading. It shows the draw of the entire system. They don't mention what else is running on their test bed, but I can assure you that they're all not identical test beds. That skews the results pretty badly. |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 27, 2017 7:17:34 GMT -5
FYI the 1700 is 65w TDP stock "At stock settings, the Ryzen 7 1700 system draws 108 watts but when overclocked, that peaks at 214 watts! That’s a gain of 106 watts over the 65-watt TDP that the part is rated at." straight from the article all my point was that is was 106w over I never said nothing more and as for the 140w with mine I was just going by what HWinfo says for TDP 2nd off at full system load at stock it only pulls 30w less then the 140w TDP 6800k FROM THEIR OWN CHART 3rd is you look at the STOCK 1700x it pulls 1w less then a 6800k 140w TDP CPU and 1700x is ONLY 95w and that is stock FOR BOTH so you tell me how that is mission fulfilled? ? also look at the 95w 1800x it pulls 17w MORE then a 140w 6800k at stock settings also if what you claimed is true wouldnt the 6800k 6900k and 6950x ALL pull the same wattage being they are all 140w TDP CPUs? ? with your claim of 140w at stock Chart is misleading. It shows the draw of the entire system. They don't mention what else is running on their test bed, but I can assure you that they're all not identical test beds. That skews the results pretty badly. yea I dont doubt that either Scotty I really wish I had these items so we could test and find out for our self Pete does have that 5960x but his x99 mobo is different then mine and as we all know not every mobo is created = I think it was Der8auer that did a video comparing 2 or 3 mobos showing you some mobos might give you a better clock with lower voltages and shit or the same clocks just lower voltages |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 27, 2017 7:28:09 GMT -5
ok so I read this and learned a little more TDP isnt actually the power it pulls its the maximum heat it can dissipate for continuous use so basically its for designing coolers and not really the power that is being drawn en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_power_dissipationProcessor manufacturers usually release two power consumption numbers for a CPU: typical thermal power, which is measured under normal load. (for instance, AMD's Average CPU power) maximum thermal power, which is measured under a worst-case load For example, the Pentium 4 2.8 GHz has 68.4 W typical thermal power and 85 W maximum thermal power. When the CPU is idle, it will draw far less than the typical thermal power. Datasheets normally contain the thermal design power (TDP), which is the maximum amount of heat generated by the CPU, which the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate. Both Intel and Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) have defined TDP as the maximum heat generation for thermally significant periods, while running worst-case non-synthetic workloads; thus, TDP is not reflecting the actual maximum power of the processor. This ensures the computer will be able to handle essentially all applications without exceeding its thermal envelope, or requiring a cooling system for the maximum theoretical power (which would cost more but in favor of extra headroom for processing power).[4][5] |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 27, 2017 7:49:55 GMT -5
ok here is what I got at stock setting auto voltage and all the one thing I know its reading right is that voltage and the temp cause I got a readout on the mobo for temp I can see LOL  |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 27, 2017 8:37:54 GMT -5
HW monitor dont work real good on Ryzen tells me its running at 2v and temp is 19 degrees.
HW monitoring programs are usually not accurate a lot of the time.
Just know that when you raise clocks and voltage power draw rises substantially especially raising voltage.
There was an article written by TIN about what power do you need for extreme benching I read a long time ago where he was measuring the current draw of a GTX580 Classified with a scope on the 2x8pin power connectors from memory they were feeding it 1.6v and it was cooled with LN2 and a single card current draw peaks was over 700 watt one of the reasons he designs the Epower to be 800watt capable.
I cant find it now it was a good read and his measurments would of been accurate.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 27, 2017 8:56:10 GMT -5
Shady the main thing is you are learning something.  |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 27, 2017 10:00:23 GMT -5
HW monitor dont work real good on Ryzen tells me its running at 2v and temp is 19 degrees. HW monitoring programs are usually not accurate a lot of the time. Just know that when you raise clocks and voltage power draw rises substantially especially raising voltage. There was an article written by TIN about what power do you need for extreme benching I read a long time ago where he was measuring the current draw of a GTX580 Classified with a scope on the 2x8pin power connectors from memory they were feeding it 1.6v and it was cooled with LN2 and a single card current draw peaks was over 700 watt one of the reasons he designs the Epower to be 800watt capable. I cant find it now it was a good read and his measurments would of been accurate. yeah I figured HWMonitor wouldnt work right maybe they will get it sorted out sooner or later Id really like to know just like the test TiN did you are talking about on CPUs to see what is the real power draw from these CPUs are and for the epower they got a new one coming out at computex I believe I know the new 1080ti KPE is coming already got teaser pics of the PCB from Vince on facebook and the project manager from EVGA posted them too on twitter and a few weeks back Vince posted a pic of a bunch of Epowers as he was walking by TiNs station * Primary Core voltage output: 0.6 - 2.0 VDC, rated at 600 Amps * Secondary Memory voltage output: 0.6 - 2.0 VDC, rated at 80 Amps * Onboard voltage monitoring and control, without any extra software/hardware purchase requirement. * ProbeIT header with same pinout as any EVGA Classified/K|NGP|N VGA * Adjustable sensing for primary output * EVBOT port for remote control * USB Type-C for advanced control & monitoring * Dual 12V (fixed) 3-pin high-power fan headers * 3 x 6pin standard GFX cable +12V inputs from PSU * Similar size as EPOWER Classified * High-power design with 8-layer gold plated PCB for best soldering & connection quality  |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 27, 2017 17:03:03 GMT -5
Nice I want a couple of those. |
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 27, 2017 17:08:06 GMT -5
Nice I want a couple of those. I want one at least I dont want to let them slip by and not get one do you got any of the older models? I have never used one at all but I want one for the day I do try there is a place here that has the 1st gen Epower for $75 this one  |
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? also look at the 95w 1800x it pulls 17w MORE then a 140w 6800k at stock settings also if what you claimed is true wouldnt the 6800k 6900k and 6950x ALL pull the same wattage being they are all 140w TDP CPUs?
