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Post by austin86 on Jun 5, 2024 13:43:02 GMT -5
So I been tossing around the idea of selling my modern 12th gen i3 system, I only use it to DL stuff for my older PCs. I can commandeer the miss's laptop for that 😅 TBH the phenom II system I'm putting together can do that too. Anyway I picked up a early inwin q500 case form 98 and I'll be building a stickily a MS-DOS and windows 95 system in it or maybe NT4, I'm still planning it out.
As of right now I have the fallowing parts for it.
A uber rare AWE 64 with sim slots, they did not make to make AWE64s with 30 pin sim slots, most of them used a ram upgrade card, the nice thing about this is that I can grab whatever ram I want to use bigger sound fonts for DOS games.
inwin q500 case. a 3.5' SCSI 4gb SSD. yes a SCSI ssd!
a few vintage water cooling parts.
IDK what platform I'll be building, part of me wants to get a dual slot 1 broad, anther part of me wants to go SK8 with a PPro or PII overdrive or SS7 with a k6-3+, maybe even slot A. A lot of this will depend on what I can get my hands on. I'm also eyeballing the king shaman or a set of stoned shaman cards for a video but a reproduction obsidian 50sb is tempting too.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jun 5, 2024 15:07:14 GMT -5
If decide on slot A, I have a really nice Soltek board for you.
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Post by austin86 on Jun 6, 2024 8:13:59 GMT -5
If decide on slot A, I have a really nice Soltek board for you. Thanks for the offer. A lot of what I plan to use will depend on hardware compatibly with the king shaman voodoo cards. older voodoo1 drivers do not like faster systems nor does windows 95 and I don't think I could use 3rd party drivers on a voodoo1 SLI setup. I would likely have to use the obsidian drivers. I'm leaning more towards a socket 8 setup but slot A and 1 is in play assuming there is no hardware compatibly problems. |
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Post by austin86 on Jun 11, 2024 7:07:42 GMT -5
I received the case last night and despite it being labeled one of the biggest cases of it's age I can't help but notice how tiny it is compared to the no name server case from 1998 the 780a system i'm building in. I was also surprised to find the q500 case I bought was a super early production model from 1997 according to the date stamps on it. here's a photo of the scsi SSD ill be using in the system. i.ibb.co/TLn69d5/E288-FD62-EAE4-4-C1-A-B944-1-A2-D5-BC300-E6.jpg |
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Post by austin86 on Jun 11, 2024 8:25:34 GMT -5
So after doing some looking around I found that the voodoo1 SLI drivers are not really a thing for windows NT so a dual CPU system is a no go. From what I gather the best system is a 440bx system with a sub 1ghz CPU and a 100mhz fsb or lower.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jun 11, 2024 10:40:06 GMT -5
Slot A with a thunderbird will slay a bx setup.
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Post by austin86 on Jun 11, 2024 10:48:25 GMT -5
Slot A with a thunderbird will slay a bx setup. You question the mighty power of the BX and tualatin 😅 JKJK. Anthony K says the bx would be best for the card and since he made the card I'm thinking I will use a bx board, he said a 1.4ghz Piii running at 100fsb is the best CPU to pair with the king shaman. And I have a 1.4ghz piii so it seems like a easy pick. |
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Post by austin86 on Jun 12, 2024 14:55:48 GMT -5
Picked up a few parts for the system, a 36gb Atlas iii drive that the seller did not know what he had, its a 68 pin drive and was listed for peanuts. I hope it has a good motor, a 3rd gen atlas should have FDB and a brush less motor but they can still get noisy/grindy.
I picked up a rounded scsi cable as all the cables I had were way way way to long, like 3 to 4 ft long. lol, nabbed a CPU heatsink, I was going to water cool the system but chose to air cool it for now. I'll be using my bx133 raid board but I did think of getting a kt133 board as well. but the bx133 will do until I get to play around with the card and find what all it works with.
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Post by austin86 on Jun 17, 2024 11:23:40 GMT -5
ok progress. The OCZ PSU I'll be using has some rather thick hard wires I was going to strip the hard sleaving off them but found the ground were not insulated, tisk tisk OCZ i.ibb.co/CvXJKH7/psu4.jpgI know its a crappy photo but I think you get what I'm showing here, thats the un insulated ground on the +4 connector on the 20+4 ATX cable But we have a bigger problem, a really big problem. i.ibb.co/Qm0z16V/psu-1.jpgi.ibb.co/8BSP4xK/psu-2.jpgi.ibb.co/X5zcZr3/psu3.jpgYeah that glue, its hygroscopic glue, that stuff is bad. If you did not know that type of glue pulls in moisture and it becomes conductive as its ages. When it becomes conductive it become dark brown so its in the clear for now. I'll need to tape a pack of silica gel inside the PSU. I think I'll nab a more correct PSU for the build later on as well. One to the case, its not bad at all and rather clean outside a few scuffs, but there is a bit of a defect in the case. The way the intake fans mounts prevents it form getting air, its shoved right up against a mesh with tinny holes. When the case is all closed up it gets zero air. From looking at old archived content it was rather common to cut a hole in the front of the case to let the fan get air, I also saw a lot of people drilling bigger air holes in the front cover too but I don't think I need to go that far. I might drill out the bottom holes if need be the that would be it. I did found this snazzy old site when looking for info on the inwin q500 case that some of you might like to see www.benchtest.com/way2cool4.html there is a lot of good info there. Here is a photo of the mesh the intake fan butts up against i.ibb.co/0VngL2v/case-2.jpgThe fan i.ibb.co/6tFSwW9/case1.jpgAnd the hole cut i.ibb.co/Q6wbDpv/case3.jpgi.ibb.co/5RJpV6M/case4.jpg |
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Post by austin86 on Jun 17, 2024 14:51:46 GMT -5
ok I think I got the last of the parts I need for the build outside a more era correct PSU and maybe a LS drive or 5.25 floppy drive . I don't need the ladder two but it would be nice to have, maybe next month I'll buy those as I spent way to much this month lol. The last two parts I nabbed was a heatsink for the video card, what I had was not going to cut it as the fan was dying. it was cheaper just to by a new heat sink then it was to replace the fan. I also picked up a 50 pin to 68 pin scsi adapter so I can use a 5- pin scsi DVD drive in the system without added anther scsi card, I hope it does not slow down the hdds, I vaguely recall mixing 50 pin and 68 pin scsi drives in a chain will lower the transfer speeds, time will well if that is the case. I have XP on the system right now so that I can copy all my soft ware over to the 36gb scsi drive before installing windows 95 or maybe 98 on the ssd. I'll toss a few benches on it wile I'm at it. might as well run super PI or something wile I have XP on there, its ICE XP v6 so the scores will be junk but whatever. It looks like I got most of the parts I ordered last week today so I can get some work done on it. I'm still waiting on parts for my phenom system tho, I ordered new GPU mounts for the blocks, IDK when those will get here. Ok so here is the parts list. bx133 raid motherboard. 1.4ghz piii-s at 1050mhz 256mb of PC133-cl2 (need to find a way to run it at 100mhz cl1.5) 4gb SCSI flash ssd 36gb atlas III 10k rpm drive 2100s scsi card asus tnt 16mb ocz PSU King Shaman voodoo 1 SLI card from Anthony K PowerVR PCX-2 from Anthony K If you want to see more about the cards I got form Anthony you can real more about them at the links below www.voodooalert.de/board/forum/index.php?thread/25232-anthony-s-cards/&pageNo=1www.zxc64.com/ |
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Post by austin86 on Jun 18, 2024 8:38:21 GMT -5
well this kinda sucks, the 36gb drive I bought is only 18gb, however the drive has very low HRs on it and is running good and I got it so cheap that I'll be keeping it. I plan to nab 1 or 2 more to run in raid at some point. What is rather odd is how the PN on the drive is for a 36gb drive, I thought someone swapped the board on the drive but my scsi card shows the board has a match PN to what is stamped on the drive. is preforms within speck too. The only thing that stands out is the the bard is different then any other 18gb drive I seen, but it just looks like a older rev board as it some some hand soldered parts. IDK its so odd. ether way I picked up anther 18gb drive an only need to find one more.
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Post by austin86 on Jun 24, 2024 11:11:14 GMT -5
OK. after messing around with the scsi CD drive I had I found that there was no way of getting it to work right with the scsi card I had. The CD drive was a narrow device and the hdds are wide. no matter the order of the buss if I tossed the CD in it it would not detact any device past the first wide device. And if I put the CD drive at the end of the buss the whole buss would not work. I also found that the scsi ssd was making he HDDs run in scsi-2 mode at only 40mbs. SCSI is a lot of fun egh ?
So I chose to replace the 2100s scsi card with a AAA-133u2 card. the 133u2 is a older card so it would be more era correct. I even found a NOS card. The card as 3 busses so I can put the CD drive an later if I can find one a scsi LS drive on one buss, anther buss for the SSD and 10k drive and I chose to get a few 15k drives so I'll put those on buss 3.
The ssd will be for the OS, the 10k drives for disk images and the 15k drives would be for games.
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Post by austin86 on Jun 27, 2024 10:31:54 GMT -5
Still waiting on parts 😕 The new scsi card has not shipped, nor has the heatsink for the tnt and I'm still on the hunt for more Hdds.
I did get the voodoo card last night and will post photos of it latter, its a beast of a card.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 3, 2024 8:45:26 GMT -5
I got the new scsi card last night and I do not miss how these old scsi raid cards are configured 😅 Good thing I bought it new in the box, there is no way I would have been able to track down the boot floppy to set the card up. Sadly I found out that my floppy drive is dead so I could not set it up. I'll have to nap a replacement
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Post by austin86 on Jul 9, 2024 8:21:49 GMT -5
so bad new, the aaa-133u2 card can't be used with the king shaman card. There is a hardware level incompatibly with the pci to pci bridge on the two cards. So I'm back to the 2100s card and no scsi CD drive. I'll have to use a IDE drive.
Picked up some more parts for the system. Some round IDE cables and 4 80gb WD ide drives to use for a back up and disk images. I"m still on the look out for 2 more 18gb atlas iii drives.I also got the powerVR PCX2 card today
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Post by austin86 on Jul 10, 2024 12:01:20 GMT -5
did some testing last night, the voodoo and power VR card both run supper hot even with heat sinks. I'll have to get some fans for them
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Post by austin86 on Jul 12, 2024 9:24:43 GMT -5
I ordered the extra fans needed for the system and a stick on heatsink for the PCX2 card. When I get a chance this weekend I"ll be posting photos of the progress
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Post by austin86 on Jul 15, 2024 7:10:04 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 16, 2024 3:03:55 GMT -5
I love them old school hardware pics.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 16, 2024 14:22:59 GMT -5
I love them old school hardware pics.
Thanks.
I picked up a winfast 250 ultra (ti4600) for the system I'll be sure to get you photos of the card when I get it. The 5950u You sent me just did not like the 440bx board I have and had a lot of bugs with te pcx2 and voodoo. Hoping the 4600 and its support for older drivers will not have any bugs.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 23, 2024 11:35:19 GMT -5
Got the 60mm fans installed other side of the case i.ibb.co/bshVd2q/IMG-3475.jpgThe voodoo and the PCX2 run a lot cooler now. I'm going to start doing some bench marking this week of the system. I did a little on the voodoo but I want to bench the tnt card too.I'l get some better photos this week too |
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Post by austin86 on Jul 29, 2024 8:49:56 GMT -5
Got the winfast a250 ultra ti4600 over the weekend, fans are shot. I soaked the barrings in oil but go no. the fans use a single ball barring and a sleeve barring and the bronze sleeve it shot. I looked up the PN and the are NOS fans for the card you can get. like 100% the same with the same grill and dust filter and everything.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 30, 2024 12:00:35 GMT -5
got the VH6-II last night, I'm going to recap it later down the road. I'll clean up the board and get some photos of it later tonight.
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Post by spit051261 on Aug 1, 2024 8:35:09 GMT -5
Just got a 12600HX ....might be fun
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Post by austin86 on Aug 8, 2024 9:27:44 GMT -5
Just got a 12600HX ....might be fun 12th gen chips are something. i have a 12th gen i3 and it crazy to think a i3 is faster then the x79 xeon I had running at 4+ ghz. |
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Post by austin86 on Sept 30, 2024 8:38:23 GMT -5
finally got around to ordering new caps for the VH6-II. I hope to get photos of the build with the 440bx board in it tonight and do some benching of the system befor swapping it over to the VH6-II to compare
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Post by austin86 on Oct 7, 2024 8:30:38 GMT -5
finally got around to ordering new caps for the VH6-II. I hope to get photos of the build with the 440bx board in it tonight and do some benching of the system befor swapping it over to the VH6-II to compare welp, I screwed up the order and missed a few caps lol but I have most of them replaced and will post photo tonight. |
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Post by austin86 on Oct 9, 2024 8:10:11 GMT -5
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Post by cbjaust on Oct 10, 2024 21:02:44 GMT -5
shiny
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Post by austin86 on Nov 14, 2024 9:53:25 GMT -5
After doing some digging in my scrap pile I found the last 4 caps I needed to get the board fully recapped only to find that two of the caps on the ti4600 need replaced too lol.
This weekend I'll be doing some benching of the 440bx setup then swap over to the via board.
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