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Post by MachineLearning on Jan 6, 2024 0:46:10 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
I would like to field ideas and know what you all would like to see from the next competition. Some basic questions: - What hardware?
- Which benchmark(s)?
- Stages? If so, staggered or all at once?
- Cooling limitations? Or at least, cooling separated in the rankings?
- Benchmate required for Windows 8+?
All suggestions / thoughts welcome.
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Post by spit051261 on Jan 6, 2024 0:52:17 GMT -5
Legacy  03 , 05 , 06 , 3D01 , Aqua or any 3D mark vantage , performance . Limit CPU speed  |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 6, 2024 1:13:51 GMT -5
I was gonna toss in something. But you can run it, or put into pocket for a later time....
GPU % OC gains. Not about a score, must pass (benchmark here) to validate the OC %.
So example, 1000mhz GPU OC to 1300 is a 30% OC. Highest % OC wins.
SS, appropriate rules, CPU doesn't matter, platform doesn't matter and have use of ANY GPU in order to obtain greatest % OC. Pass Aquamark (example)
Whatcha think?
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Post by MachineLearning on Jan 6, 2024 1:34:58 GMT -5
I was gonna toss in something. But you can run it, or put into pocket for a later time.... GPU % OC gains. Not about a score, must pass (benchmark here) to validate the OC %. So example, 1000mhz GPU OC to 1300 is a 30% OC. Highest % OC wins. SS, appropriate rules, CPU doesn't matter, platform doesn't matter and have use of ANY GPU in order to obtain greatest % OC. Pass Aquamark (example) Whatcha think? I like this idea. If you mean you were planning in organizing this, then by all means go for it. I don't want to take your idea away from you. Maybe we can take turns each month / 2mo.? With that being said, I'm also happy to do it. Up to you. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 6, 2024 2:45:55 GMT -5
I was gonna toss in something. But you can run it, or put into pocket for a later time.... GPU % OC gains. Not about a score, must pass (benchmark here) to validate the OC %. So example, 1000mhz GPU OC to 1300 is a 30% OC. Highest % OC wins. SS, appropriate rules, CPU doesn't matter, platform doesn't matter and have use of ANY GPU in order to obtain greatest % OC. Pass Aquamark (example) Whatcha think? I like this idea. If you mean you were planning in organizing this, then by all means go for it. I don't want to take your idea away from you. Maybe we can take turns each month / 2mo.? With that being said, I'm also happy to do it. Up to you. You take what is given to you and like it. By all means, do your thing. I like this thread, people can toss their ideas. Who said there couldn't be more than 1 comp running at the same time?? We have no such rules here.... |
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 6, 2024 4:47:42 GMT -5
Limited cpu speed to 6ghz.
Maybe 6.2 or 6.3.
This is chilled water, or very strong water cooling at low ambient temps or very lite SS usage.
Other than that, whatever.
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Post by spit051261 on Jan 6, 2024 5:39:24 GMT -5
Got to be a limit on CPU speed George to keep it sort of fair Saying that , 62 on phase will go a lot faster than air .
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Post by MachineLearning on Jan 6, 2024 10:05:03 GMT -5
I like this idea. If you mean you were planning in organizing this, then by all means go for it. I don't want to take your idea away from you. Maybe we can take turns each month / 2mo.? With that being said, I'm also happy to do it. Up to you. You take what is given to you and like it. By all means, do your thing. I like this thread, people can toss their ideas. Who said there couldn't be more than 1 comp running at the same time?? We have no such rules here.... Hey, good point.  |
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 6, 2024 10:25:07 GMT -5
General suggestions.
1) FORGET HWBOT RULES
2) platforms
3) memory generations
4) Gpu generations.
These should be considered when setting up a comp.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 6, 2024 16:34:20 GMT -5
Permit me to add some important notes.
1) in order to attract more people in a comp it is important to make rational choices.
2) Sure, LN2 or even cascade and dry ice make a bencher look good. Is it so ?
Design the comp in a way to challenge the knowledge and experience.
There is where talents will shine.
3) The true meaning of a comp is participation.
True competition within affordable costs.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 6, 2024 17:18:34 GMT -5
You take what is given to you and like it. By all means, do your thing. I like this thread, people can toss their ideas. Who said there couldn't be more than 1 comp running at the same time?? We have no such rules here.... Hey, good point. Listen, just make the competitions easy and flexible. If you offer prizes, squeeze the rules tight. 1. Benchmate for W8 and up 2. Viable screen shots. 3. No comments in submission threads 4. Specifics always. I am limited on hardware and have focused the goal for Htpp instead of holding onto old hardware that sits and sits. I myself have nothing to prove. I haven't any tweaking experience with most platforms. I don't and won't buy hardware more than 500$ a piece new when in a couple years pay a fraction. 4090? I'll get to that after a few more cpu generations. Using this as an example that I do not have tons of hardware of all these generations anymore. HWBot has gotten old on me. I care less for it now that 12 months ago. And the 12 months before that. Thoughts for hwbot I have, make small points and will only loose small points. HW masters top 50 is my goal. Otherwise, HTTP and otherwise from that..... hang the hobby up. |
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Post by MachineLearning on Jan 6, 2024 17:36:13 GMT -5
Ok. I'll give some thoughts after reading all you folks have wrote.
I agree with George, that participation is needed to truly make a competition.
And for max participation, it must be accessible. I.e., cheap and/or very common hardware.
For more to participate, ambient cooling or at least CPU clock limits will be encouraging. Since then it is a test of skill, not how much LN2 you can afford.
For lowest cost, this means probably GPU OC, since you do not need to buy into a platform to run it.
So, this means I should be looking at some low to midrange GPU made in the last decade. Ambient cooling only, rig pic required.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 6, 2024 18:58:24 GMT -5
Being the smallest active PC overclocking enthusiast forum in the world, participation will always be low. This must be an expectation of the reality we live in. We have 40 team members only. Promotion will help.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 6, 2024 20:40:28 GMT -5
Being the smallest active PC overclocking enthusiast forum in the world, participation will always be low. This must be an expectation of the reality we live in. We have 40 team members only. Promotion will help. I will second that. But I do not know how and where. |
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Post by twopic on Jan 6, 2024 21:19:21 GMT -5
Being the smallest active PC overclocking enthusiast forum in the world, participation will always be low. This must be an expectation of the reality we live in. We have 40 team members only. Promotion will help. Having fun should be our top priority |
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Post by spit051261 on Jan 7, 2024 1:27:30 GMT -5
Legacy 03 , 05 , 06 , 3D01 , Aqua or any 3D mark vantage , performance . Limit CPU speed There are lots of points on Bot for legacy , we should be encouraging everyone to put scores up. We have Mr.Scott and Macsbeach98 to give out stacks of advice on the best benchmark there is |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 7, 2024 13:13:32 GMT -5
Legacy 03 , 05 , 06 , 3D01 , Aqua or any 3D mark vantage , performance . Limit CPU speed There are lots of points on Bot for legacy , we should be encouraging everyone to put scores up. We have Mr.Scott and Macsbeach98 to give out stacks of advice on the best benchmark there is It's not about the benchmark unless you look for globals. Unbenched hardware. That's what you look for. The stuff nobody on the team has benched. For example. GenieBen benched a rtx2060. I already benched it. He gained less than 1 or 2 htpp per submission. 50 points UP is only 5.0 points towards team contribution Top 30 global and top 60 hardware team stats apply. You beat someone's global by 5 points, it's only 5 points global gain to the team. Not 30 globals plus the 35 globals you earned, it's adding only 5 global points for the team. The UP you see when viewing bot team page "members" tab is only that. User points. Example: GENiEBEN 147 submissions worth 1699.0 points He only gained 169.9 contribution to the team. The UP is almost meaningless. Now if this guy benches the same hw I did, the http gains are also minimal. Good approach for personal UP, this helps the hardware masters ranking. This is personal for you. Your top 30 Globals rank you in a league. Wow, you're a fast extreme clocker cause you used some dry ice! Nobody cares because the cooling leagues are not separated in the entire list for users on any particular hardware. That means the air cooling guys will always not have a chance to get the top scores. This is why its stupid as fuck. Top air cooling submission should bring just as many points to the team or person as it would a guy on LN2. This is not the case obviously. My air cooling will never compete with cascade. Why bother? |
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 7, 2024 13:23:28 GMT -5
There are lots of points on Bot for legacy , we should be encouraging everyone to put scores up. We have Mr.Scott and Macsbeach98 to give out stacks of advice on the best benchmark there is It's not about the benchmark unless you look for globals. Unbenched hardware. That's what you look for. The stuff nobody on the team has benched. For example. GenieBen benched a rtx2060. I already benched it. He gained less than 1 or 2 htpp per submission. 50 points UP is only 5.0 points towards team contribution Top 30 global and top 60 hardware team stats apply. You beat someone's global by 5 points, it's only 5 points global gain to the team. Not 30 globals plus the 35 globals you earned, it's adding only 5 global points for the team. The UP you see when viewing bot team page "members" tab is only that. User points. Example: GENiEBEN 147 submissions worth 1699.0 points He only gained 169.9 contribution to the team. The UP is almost meaningless. Now if this guy benches the same hw I did, the http gains are also minimal. Good approach for personal UP, this helps the hardware masters ranking. This is personal for you. Your top 30 Globals rank you in a league. Wow, you're a fast extreme clocker cause you used some dry ice! Nobody cares because the cooling leagues are not separated in the entire list for users on any particular hardware. That means the air cooling guys will always not have a chance to get the top scores. This is why its stupid as fuck. Top air cooling submission should bring just as many points to the team or person as it would a guy on LN2. This is not the case obviously. My air cooling will never compete with cascade. Why bother? 110% correct. |
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Post by twopic on Jan 8, 2024 0:35:07 GMT -5
One of my favorite benchmarks is 3dmark11 physics and that doesn't get a lot of points. Whereas a benchmark I despise is Gpupi is worth loads of points.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 8, 2024 1:48:56 GMT -5
One of my favorite benchmarks is 3dmark11 physics and that doesn't get a lot of points. Whereas a benchmark I despise is Gpupi is worth loads of points. Depends on the popularity. |
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Post by spit051261 on Jan 8, 2024 2:43:51 GMT -5
as many points on 3d01 bro |
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 8, 2024 4:48:22 GMT -5
One of my favorite benchmarks is 3dmark11 physics and that doesn't get a lot of points. Whereas a benchmark I despise is Gpupi is worth loads of points. Depends on the popularity. Exactly Jon. And the popularity of the HW. |
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Post by spit051261 on Jan 8, 2024 6:14:42 GMT -5
Get whatever bench you like. I will have a go on phase. That is all I bench on. I got no air but I do have chiller and all I use that for is testing new motherboards. We should have a good comp bro |
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Post by mllrkllr88 on Jan 20, 2024 22:01:41 GMT -5
Something with GTX1060...
Those are getting dirt cheap now and still an awesome card to have floating around after the competition.
As a side note: I want to battle 32M efficiency on X58. I know this is too small to be a competition but who wants to race low clock 32m?
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Post by alex2305 on Jan 22, 2024 5:53:55 GMT -5
Maybe we wait until the new competition launches in HWBot so it don't interfere with that. Only an idea for timing...
Most older AMD GPUs are pretty cheap in Germany. If you want do GPU OC this is a option. Or gtx260 is also cheap
Or maybe APU OC like 5700g or 5600g could be fun too.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 22, 2024 13:41:14 GMT -5
Maybe we wait until the new competition launches in HWBot so it don't interfere with that. Only an idea for timing... Most older AMD GPUs are pretty cheap in Germany. If you want do GPU OC this is a option. Or gtx260 is also cheap Or maybe APU OC like 5700g or 5600g could be fun too. I'm sorry sir, But I don't cater to HWBot. If someone posts a comp here, it's up to you guys to participate in house games. HWBot has us as customers and should cater to us. It's a shame people think the other way around. But I've gained nothing in many years making submissions to hwbot except loosing money buying hardware. Food for thought Cause I'm a hobbiest |
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 22, 2024 14:26:34 GMT -5
Maybe we wait until the new competition launches in HWBot so it don't interfere with that. Only an idea for timing... Most older AMD GPUs are pretty cheap in Germany. If you want do GPU OC this is a option. Or gtx260 is also cheap Or maybe APU OC like 5700g or 5600g could be fun too. I'm sorry sir, But I don't cater to HWBot. If someone posts a comp here, it's up to you guys to participate in house games. HWBot has us as customers and should cater to us. It's a shame people think the other way around. But I've gained nothing in many years making submissions to hwbot except loosing money buying hardware. Food for thought Cause I'm a hobbiest !!! |
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Post by Bones on Jan 22, 2024 19:01:09 GMT -5
Maybe we wait until the new competition launches in HWBot so it don't interfere with that. Only an idea for timing... Most older AMD GPUs are pretty cheap in Germany. If you want do GPU OC this is a option. Or gtx260 is also cheap Or maybe APU OC like 5700g or 5600g could be fun too. Feel free to setup a comp here if you want at a time of your choosing. Need any help, we'll be here. |
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Post by alex2305 on Jan 23, 2024 4:42:02 GMT -5
Maybe we wait until the new competition launches in HWBot so it don't interfere with that. Only an idea for timing... Most older AMD GPUs are pretty cheap in Germany. If you want do GPU OC this is a option. Or gtx260 is also cheap Or maybe APU OC like 5700g or 5600g could be fun too. Feel free to setup a comp here if you want at a time of your choosing. Need any help, we'll be here. After my exams are done end of February I can start planing one |
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Post by spit051261 on Jan 24, 2024 3:28:04 GMT -5
I'm sorry sir, But I don't cater to HWBot. If someone posts a comp here, it's up to you guys to participate in house games. HWBot has us as customers and should cater to us. It's a shame people think the other way around. But I've gained nothing in many years making submissions to hwbot except loosing money buying hardware. Food for thought Cause I'm a hobbiest !!! Unless you are in the "secret handshake club" That is the way it is , unfortunately |
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