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Post by jimba on Apr 25, 2023 20:39:23 GMT -5
So I am currently trying improve my points on hwbot without going LN2 and joining extreme league (im in enthusiast league now) I am just wondering what platform I should look into investing into. I have a bunch of X58,775,Z77,Z97,X79 and AM3 gear but I am wanting something a bit newer which isn't DDR3 based for something to new to play with. The only DDR4 platforms I have are X99 Deluxe (Need to test) and 6600K and Apex motherboard.
I have a bunch of older graphics cards so im good there.
My thought was a Z690 board with a 12900K (used) but I am unsure as good boards are not cheap.
Suggestions are welcome.
I am based in Australia so US stores/deals are not relevant.
thanks,
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Post by Bones on Apr 25, 2023 21:30:16 GMT -5
Mac and Zarok would be the ones best suited to let you know what's available based on where you are. As for the gear you have, check and see who's done what with what you've got and what you want - That will let you know what pieces are good for taking you further and those you'll probrably not want to worry about too much. Since cooling matters, you CAN go subzero without jumping right into the extreme league you know, DICE puts you in the Apprentice league which some find as a nice place to be - Not on the extreme side of it yet you can still go fast. In fact if you have no subzero experiece that's where you can start and learn about things like Cold bugs/cold boot bugs, how to insulate your boards and setups which archtectures like the cold and which ones don't.... All that. Same goes for GPU's too and older cards are perfect to start learning how to set those up for the same purpose. Any questions we may be able to help with, fire away. BTW, although there isn't a "single" person here that can answer all your questions, collectively speaking we've got it covered.  |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Apr 25, 2023 22:25:23 GMT -5
My latest is Maximus X Apex so I would look on HWBot at scores and see what the good scores are running for boards Zarok or George would be more helpful for boards for 12000 series.
You sometimes see good deals on OCAU I am sure you are a member there too.
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Post by Aleslammer on Apr 25, 2023 23:23:24 GMT -5
Looking through your Bot profile, if the Giga P45T is still working might try some Yorkfields with some Hyper or PSC IC Ram, should be some decent UPs available, depending on CPU sample and how far you push ambient cooling.
3D definitely making points right now so a good avenue to take a look at.
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Post by jimba on Apr 25, 2023 23:55:12 GMT -5
Looking through your Bot profile, if the Giga P45T is still working might try some Yorkfields with some Hyper or PSC IC Ram, should be some decent UPs available, depending on CPU sample and how far you push ambient cooling. 3D definitely making points right now so a good avenue to take a look at. Yes I am much more a 3D fan than a 2D fan thats for sure. I dont have any yorkfields so I will have to look for some. but do have a few good kits of hypers and PSC kits.
My current hardware stash (not all benched on hwbot):
Motherboards:
775:
Asus Rampage Extreme X48
Foxconn Blackops X48 (early, sham tested board)
DFI P45-TR2S Plus (only DDR2 board I have)
1366:
Gigabyte X58-OC (1 ram channel not working, can it be fixed?)
Asus Rampage 3 Extreme + Xpander
1156:
Gigabyte P55A-UD6 (need to test, not sure if working, currently in the mail)
2011:
Asus Rampage IV Extreme
2011-3:
Asus X99 Deluxe (unsure if working, need to test)
1150:
Asrock Z77 OC Formula
AM3:
Gigabyte 990FX-UD7 (rev 1.1) ex LN2 board by previous owner,covered in vaseline
Asus Crosshair V-Z
1151:
Asus Maximus Apex IX (modded for coffee lake)
Have various 775 CPUs but no quad cores, I also dont have any high end chips for Z77 or Z97 just i5s. and I dont have any AM3 CPUs for the AMD boards either.
CPUs:
775:
Dual cores only, E8400,E8500,E8600 etc
1366:
980X
950
W3580
1150:
4670K G3258
1156:
TBC - in the P55 board
X99:
5820K
5930K 5950X
1151:
6600K
Memory:
DDR2:
Corsair 1150
Cellshock Gskill HZ and others I dont remember
DDR3:
All Corsair GTX Series Dom GT 1866 Cl7 Hypers Gskill Pi 2300 Cl8 (1 stick) Kingston BDGE Gskill Trident 2000 Cl9 BBSE
+ more but I cant remember all the names of the kits
DDR4:
Gskill Trident Z 3200 Cl16 Gskill Sniper 2400 Gskill Ripjaws V 32GB Cl18 (2 kits)
so a few good things but my question was about getting more points, which is why I thought it was based on popularity so newer = more popular = more points
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Post by jimba on Apr 26, 2023 0:45:18 GMT -5
My latest is Maximus X Apex so I would look on HWBot at scores and see what the good scores are running for boards Zarok or George would be more helpful for boards for 12000 series. You sometimes see good deals on OCAU I am sure you are a member there too. i am a member on ocau so i will ask there. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Apr 26, 2023 1:14:16 GMT -5
3D? 13th gen. These no reason to consider 12th gen at this time. Ddr5 . GL!
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Post by Aleslammer on Apr 26, 2023 4:37:56 GMT -5
jimba "which is why I thought it was based on popularity so newer = more popular = more points" Your statement is very true, more popular equals more UPs, leading edge equals more globals, both equal stiffer competitors, the latter can drain the bank account. TPs are related more to a team's hardware list, if everyone on a team benches the same hardware only one person will have TPs. If 3D is really your goal, then SB's advice is correct. Present 13th gen is making the older popular VGAs (within support limits) put up some nice numbers, this has always been true in 3D just that present 13th gen is really kicking ass. Next would be cooling, there a few folks done pretty well using chilled fluid / SS for 3D, ambient is doable but colder is always better. Can you use 12th gen and make points yes, all depends at what platform gen the VGA was used the most. Looking at your time on the Bot I'm preaching to the choir but making points all depends on your desire and pocketbook. Benching for most is a hobby, when you think of it as work then hopefully someone is paying you or it's time to find a new hobby.
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Post by jimba on Apr 26, 2023 6:32:42 GMT -5
jimba "which is why I thought it was based on popularity so newer = more popular = more points" Your statement is very true, more popular equals more UPs, leading edge equals more globals, both equal stiffer competitors, the latter can drain the bank account. TPs are related more to a team's hardware list, if everyone on a team benches the same hardware only one person will have TPs. If 3D is really your goal, then SB's advice is correct. Present 13th gen is making the older popular VGAs (within support limits) put up some nice numbers, this has always been true in 3D just that present 13th gen is really kicking ass. Next would be cooling, there a few folks done pretty well using chilled fluid / SS for 3D, ambient is doable but colder is always better. Can you use 12th gen and make points yes, all depends at what platform gen the VGA was used the most. Looking at your time on the Bot I'm preaching to the choir but making points all depends on your desire and pocketbook. Benching for most is a hobby, when you think of it as work then hopefully someone is paying you or it's time to find a new hobby. It just a hobby for me which is why I have a collection of older gear as it what I could afford. I could buy 13th gen but I dont know what boards are good. Something like a $1300 board is out of the question. but I could save for a $500 chip. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Apr 26, 2023 12:16:48 GMT -5
jimba "which is why I thought it was based on popularity so newer = more popular = more points" Your statement is very true, more popular equals more UPs, leading edge equals more globals, both equal stiffer competitors, the latter can drain the bank account. TPs are related more to a team's hardware list, if everyone on a team benches the same hardware only one person will have TPs. If 3D is really your goal, then SB's advice is correct. Present 13th gen is making the older popular VGAs (within support limits) put up some nice numbers, this has always been true in 3D just that present 13th gen is really kicking ass. Next would be cooling, there a few folks done pretty well using chilled fluid / SS for 3D, ambient is doable but colder is always better. Can you use 12th gen and make points yes, all depends at what platform gen the VGA was used the most. Looking at your time on the Bot I'm preaching to the choir but making points all depends on your desire and pocketbook. Benching for most is a hobby, when you think of it as work then hopefully someone is paying you or it's time to find a new hobby. It just a hobby for me which is why I have a collection of older gear as it what I could afford. I could buy 13th gen but I dont know what boards are good. Something like a $1300 board is out of the question. but I could save for a $500 chip. You don't buy a 1300$ motherboard unless you know you have a great clocking chip (bin several) and plan mostly LN2. A 13600K is a great starter chip , not horribly expensive, though an 8p core would be better, bit not a difference in IPC. Im running a ROG B660-G which was 269$ and DDR5. The board is equipped with a clock generator. There's an MSI board also with an external clock gen. Juse DO NOT update the ME firmware on these boards if you go this route, because Intel has locked the bios clocking through that firmware. The board will then become restricted to only 103 bus clocks. I made this stupid mistake thinking it would bring slight performance increase, no, lost all performance instead. For comparison, I'm restricted to 5450mhz (13700K) and it easily competes with 6ghz 12900K for 3D benching. Yes, totally a popularity contest. |
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Post by jimba on Apr 26, 2023 18:47:05 GMT -5
It just a hobby for me which is why I have a collection of older gear as it what I could afford. I could buy 13th gen but I dont know what boards are good. Something like a $1300 board is out of the question. but I could save for a $500 chip. You don't buy a 1300$ motherboard unless you know you have a great clocking chip (bin several) and plan mostly LN2. A 13600K is a great starter chip , not horribly expensive, though an 8p core would be better, bit not a difference in IPC. Im running a ROG B660-G which was 269$ and DDR5. The board is equipped with a clock generator. There's an MSI board also with an external clock gen. Juse DO NOT update the ME firmware on these boards if you go this route, because Intel has locked the bios clocking through that firmware. The board will then become restricted to only 103 bus clocks. I made this stupid mistake thinking it would bring slight performance increase, no, lost all performance instead. For comparison, I'm restricted to 5450mhz (13700K) and it easily competes with 6ghz 12900K for 3D benching. Yes, totally a popularity contest. a 13600K is a good idea, the price is fair, I will have a look at that asus board. |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Apr 27, 2023 16:58:30 GMT -5
Jimba, not for nuthin but, do you bench for a specific team?
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Post by georgekokovinis on Apr 27, 2023 17:09:51 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, because it seems I am missing something.
How is BCLK overclocking useful on K cpus ?
On non K cpus yes.
On K cpus you raise ratio until you hit thermal issues and lose stability.
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Post by jimba on Apr 27, 2023 19:51:49 GMT -5
Jimba, not for nuthin but, do you bench for a specific team? I bench for the team Australia hwbot team (OCAU team) |
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Post by austin86 on Apr 29, 2023 14:08:38 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, because it seems I am missing something. How is BCLK overclocking useful on K cpus ? On non K cpus yes. On K cpus you raise ratio until you hit thermal issues and lose stability. idk about newer hardware but on x58 I found BCLK OC clock for clock preformed better. |
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Post by georgekokovinis on Apr 29, 2023 14:21:35 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, because it seems I am missing something. How is BCLK overclocking useful on K cpus ? On non K cpus yes. On K cpus you raise ratio until you hit thermal issues and lose stability. idk about newer hardware but on x58 I found BCLK OC clock for clock preformed better. You are out of topic, again. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Apr 29, 2023 17:31:18 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, because it seems I am missing something. How is BCLK overclocking useful on K cpus ? On non K cpus yes. On K cpus you raise ratio until you hit thermal issues and lose stability. idk about newer hardware but on x58 I found BCLK OC clock for clock preformed better. Still true. You'll experiment once you get that Apex I'm sure. I expect big things from your ddr5 adventures!!  |
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Post by spit051261 on Nov 7, 2023 0:58:05 GMT -5
I'm new here but can people from other teams join and get access to our team talk ?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 7, 2023 1:32:54 GMT -5
I'm new here but can people from other teams join and get access to our team talk ? They can join any forum except the team section for discussion. |
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Post by MachineLearning on Nov 7, 2023 1:58:47 GMT -5
I'm new here but can people from other teams join and get access to our team talk ? Log out and you will see all that non-teammates can see. |
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Post by spit051261 on Nov 7, 2023 3:33:11 GMT -5
OK I understand
I still think this forum should be for warp 9 only
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 9, 2023 3:22:00 GMT -5
OK I understand
I still think this forum should be for warp 9 only
I understand. See PM. |
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Post by spit051261 on Nov 11, 2023 2:42:14 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing it up
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