Upgrading to 32Gb for DZ68BC

[revin]

Ok so I need to "top" out my ram and Intel states {rep confirmed years ago} I can use "specific" 8 Gb modules, 1333 Or 1600 and possibly 1866

Thing is they must be 4Gbit 512Mx8 Dual Sided for 16 Chips Total per Dimm

Supported Memory Configurations

If i understand correct this is "same" as 2Rx8 ?

Last year i tried G.Skill Ares F3-1866C10Q-32GAB and they did NOT even post BIOS, not even 1 stick, seller was unsure of it's "configuration" and i did not had luck sorting it also so they refunded me.

Now, there is a few 32Gb kits that i have been told that "seem" to fit the config. a/some Samsung 1600 11-12 B1 set

and found a 32GB (4x8GB) PC3-12800u DDR3-1600MHz 2Rx8 Non-ECC Crucial BLS8G3D1609DS1S00.16FN 9.9.9.24 1.5v This kit i really like since it's got good timings and 1.5v BUT No where does it say what configuration" it's made of, But seller said he's pretty sure it Will work.

Also not too interested in an OC if it happens so be it, But if it "can" get to 1866 divider, then a Whole new world opens up, since, as ole caDaveca found out during the test/review of the Wonder Ram, Intel engineer's went Crazy working it over

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[ShrimpBrime]

Hard to say. I'm no ddr3 expert myself, but qvl isn't always correct. And being old, could you even find what's on the qvl for compatibility??

[revin]

Intel didnt really do much for QVL on this board, it was more of " Refer to Supported Memory Configuration" so that was a bummer having to find the proper list on the "vendors" site.
I did find this But the numbers on the DIMM dont show on the Crucial "configuration" panel https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/pzbr36/crucial_ballistix_part_numbering_system_for_dram/

But 1 thing that may give me hope is the last "16", it could mean indeed there is 8x8 DS chips on it 16 total .... just a thought
And it kind of aligns with 2Rx8 codes

Also the previous Mushkin 2133 4x4 kits i had used with this setup, ran great, only would not do 2133. Dave felt by the way the 1866 divider was over performing the engineers knew it would be an issue and focused more on 1866 rather than 2133<script src="moz-extension://4d1149eb-44a3-432d-9042-d25c0d1ee5c2/js/app.js" type="text/javascript"></script><script src="moz-extension://4d1149eb-44a3-432d-9042-d25c0d1ee5c2/js/app.js" type="text/javascript"></script>

[Aleslammer]

I assume you're talking about the Intel board in your sig, no information there, buy new or don't talk to us.
Based on what you stated, 2Rx8 is what you're looking for, Intel just stating size of 512 per IC double sided for a total of 16 mem modules, 8 per side. Look at Asus/Giga QVL's for boards with the same chipset, generally speaking if a kit shows up on a couple different QVL's should be pretty friendly on all.

Opps, didn't read the thread name.

[revin]

Thanks Aleslammer I have did some previous queries into other mfg Z68 boards, but most all have little to none on 8 Gb / 32 Gb info
It was pretty much a good time before 8Gb dimm's was widely available much less for 32Gb instillation's
I'm looking again tho
I'm thinking the Ballistic Sports are best bet, and seller agreed that since they are 2Rx8 it would work.
I and sellers have confirmed a few other sets of 1600 32Gb sets are "Z68BC" compatible

As ShrimpBrime has pointed out before, some "IC chips" are binned, thus I see some overlap for 1600 ic's with 1866, just timings are changed and have been rated for LV {same ic part #} for 1600 ie: 1600 1.35v 11.12 vs 1866 9/10.9/10 at 1.5v

Sorry i'm dragging up for an oldass system, but maxing out to 32Gb will "top off" my system and help with some programs ect
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[ShrimpBrime]

Hard to say what would work or not.

The 2600K is only good for 1333mhz, I'd imagine 32gb won't run speeds higher than that without some tweaking and luck.

[Mr.Scott]

IMC on Sandy sucks. Will be hard to max out.

[Aleslammer]

revin

Asrock has a pretty good list for their Z68 boards, same for the few boards I looked at. Couple kits of HyperX stand out.
www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty%20Z68%20Professional%20Gen3/#Memory

[revin]

Thank You Aleslammer I've gone down a rabbit hole lol,
I have to stay with short dimm's with the old Ninja cooler, but the list of candidates is pretty good so far

But indeed found another 32Gb kit to add to my watch list

Kingston HyperX 1600 C10 "Low Density "
Crucial Ballistic SPORT 1600 C9 kit,2Rx8 {seller confirmed compatibility]
Hynix 1600 C11-13 "Eco"
And from your link { my rabbit hole}
Kingston HyperX GENISIS 1866 C11

I lost out on a generic Crucial C11 1.35v 32Gb kit he had 2 set's and last 1 sold before i woke up this am.
All these kits are $70 or less,

But "New" from China are ballpark range, even "HyperX" but lil shy since i've seen a few talk about failures pretty quick

Mar 21, 2023 13:38:45 GMT -5 Mr.Scott said:
IMC on Sandy sucks. Will be hard to max out.

Well so far i been of great fortune to have better results with all 4 dimm's used, even tho i'm speed limited to 1866

caDave had a paragraph about how it "seems " that Intel tweaked the microcode for "1600+" to work on Sandy and it took him some time to grasp how i was doing "better than expected" with my chip

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[Bones]

Low density vs high density sticks: thepcstuff.com/low-density-vs-high-density-ram/

I don't know if you're looking for single or double sided sticks but in terms of density, there ya go.
Double sided sticks normally has better bandwidth than single sided sticks do if that matters to you.

You probrably knew all this anyway but had to mention it "Just in case".

[revin]

Hi Bones GTSY !, TY and indeed need DS Low Density 2Rx8 DS, 16 chips total<script src="moz-extension://4d1149eb-44a3-432d-9042-d25c0d1ee5c2/js/app.js" type="text/javascript"></script>

[Bones]

Alot of older OCZ sets are like that - Have a few myself and they clock fairly well too.
Reaper and Flex sets are the ones I've got like that, esp the Flex sets I snagged that clocks well with tight timings too. Those have the provision for watercooling made into them, had to seal those up to stop all the leaks but they work well once that's done.
Some sets of Flex I've seen are higher binned BUT also have looser timing specs to them, these are rated kinda low (1333) but clock high enough with about the best DDR3 timings (6-6-6-21) you can ask for in the process of topping 1600 at the very least.

Specs on these are 1333 @ 7-7-7-21 stock but will go tighter and higher as said, being these are D9 IC based sticks.

A decent set of Reapers with specs of 1600/8-8-8-24 are good too, they may or may not go as high as you'd like but are still a solid choice overall if either set model fills the bill for what you are really looking for.

[Bones]

Spotted a set you may have interest in.
www.ebay.com/itm/325581047769?hash=item4bce2487d9:g:lkgAAOSwmP5kFzfQ

[revin]

edit: Bones Forgot to say i need short dimm's with the Ninja cooler

Well phooey, those are 4Gb dimm's, I need 8Gb x4 for 32Gb.

Also When i looked them up those are 512Meg x 64 and from the link to my board i must get 512Mx8 512Mx8 {DS} 16 chips total on dimm for 32Gb to be used.

So far only a couple have been confirmed to meet that

KHX18C11P1K2/16 Kingston HyperX GENESIS 1.5v 1866 C11, First Choice since this > from Kingston page {2Rx8 memory modules, based on sixteen 512M x 8-bit}

CMS  {Generic?} 16GB (2x8GB) Memory RAM FOR Intel DX58SO2, DZ68BC, DZ68DB, DZ68ZV Mainboard A63 {not my 1st choice} but listed my board

Crucial CT102464BA160B.M16FN solid choice And 1.35 Low voltage

M378BIG73EB0-YK0 Samsung LV 1.35 set also

KHX1600C10D3B1/8G Kingston Low Density 1.5v

HX318C10FBK2/16 HyperX 1866 C10 1.5 Low Density

Crucial BLS8G3D1609DS1S00.16FN  Ballistix SPORT 1866 C9 { 2nd Choice} Seller is pretty sure it is compatible

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[ShrimpBrime]

1.5 vdimm is still low voltage on ddr3 by the way. The sticks won't run any warmer if you get 1.5v dimms.

Either way, you have a 50% chance of this working over 1333mhz and 32gb. Either it does or doesn't.

[revin]

Yea 1.5 is "standard, {overyonder} it was brought up about if I could Even run "LV" ram, {which current is LP LV 1.35 in the sig over there LOL,} But I then discovered it officially supports Ultra Low 1.25 and Low 1.35 . and can go up to 2.0v

 I guess you mean 32Gb @ 1333 50% chance, But if you peek at that Kingston page link up there, it can even go down to some pretty low primarys if it is slower

"All Dimms Must Support SPD or it will need to be manually configured in BIOS and to use XMP over 1600 must be XMP 1.2,.... 1,2, and 4 Gb Dimms can be Single Or double and 128m, 256m, or 512m DS or SS." per the manual

It's just for 32Gb It's the only spec that is a must for the 512Mx8/512Mx8 {Double sided}16 modules <.. This is what the "Catch" is to get then to work

Almost Every name brand DIMM has SPD but fun thing is these Samsung "Green" stix dont have SPD at all, and they still went well over 2133, even on some Z68 boards
And there is/was Countless Z68 rigs running far greater speeds, {OC ofc} but yea not always with 32Gb but plenty used 32Gb{ not as many Intel boards show up from limited usage}

I'm thinking for the price, those KHX18C11P1K2/16 Genisis kit would be pretty safe option.

 

[revin]

GANG !! I Just Found these Crucial Ballistix Sport VLP ! 9.9.9.24

"VLP" aka Low Profile AND Low Voltage Sports C9  Dave gave them a pretty favorable review 2013 TPU

Only see where they say "Made in USA" ??

I have discovered that SO MANY "Name Brand, Hypers and even Ballistix" are "from China"

aka knockoff's, with period dates printed on them

Then the Kingston Genisis 1866 C11 are still available that do state the needed ic configuriation, about 13$ more

I forgot these Ballistix Sport 1600 C9 full dimm still available

[ShrimpBrime]

Apr 1, 2023 20:05:28 GMT -5 revin said:

GANG !! I Just Found these Crucial Ballistix Sport VLP ! 9.9.9.24

"VLP" aka Low Profile AND Low Voltage Sports C9  Dave gave them a pretty favorable review 2013 TPU

Only see where they say "Made in USA" ??

I have discovered that SO MANY "Name Brand, Hypers and even Ballistix" are "from China"

aka knockoff's, with period dates printed on them

Then the Kingston Genisis 1866 C11 are still available that do state the needed ic configuriation, about 13$ more

I forgot these Ballistix Sport 1600 C9 full dimm still available

Hell yeah. Nice find. Gonna try em' out?

[revin]

I keep thinking i should grab them since these Crucial Ballistix  are 9.9.9.24, and LVLP {1.35} low profile as my Sammy Wonder stix , ..... but then i think "there's 1866" kits also ........ lol

I had'nt seen made in us stix "yet" so that was a stump, thinking the LV LP are "true" not knock off's

I know it's no big deal about using high voltage, but i will stay at 1.5 as top to keep life in my old cpu

The 1866 C10 HyperX have the Black PCB's, and Taiwan

The HyperX Genesis 1866 C11 have green, and are Taiwan also

Kingston or Crucial .................. decisions decisions

 

I know it's a shot but if i can at least keep as much bandwidth #'s i have now, i'd be super happy

  Also let's say i can only get 1333, I'd guess the timings would be able to get at Least 999, perhaps lower, BUT

Should i Start with the kit that states it will work as needed  {1866C11} ALSO all 4 Part/Batch Number's match

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[revin]

Ok, so it seems that 1 key give away for the Kingston's "fake"{"new" from china} is the "HyperX" is a hologram under the printing of the DIMM Specs
Crucial, i havnt been able to track down as much

Half of those LVLP "VLP" kits are gone already

If you all wont mind, Chime in Crucial or Kingston AND since i see a Lot of you doing latency talk, add if the C9's,C10, or that C11 kit you'd try

The links are above a post or 3 up but i'll group them again if easier "Regroup" reply and i'll make a new list <3

"Fake"

 

Real

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[Aleslammer]

The use of knock off concerning Kingston memory is a little misleading. Kingston has four manufacturing plants, US, Malaysia, China, and Taiwan. Personally, have only seen US & China with good results from both plants.

[revin]

Yes i understand but since DDR3 has been EOL and out of production since the HyperX sale to HP, so there is "shops in china" making so called name brand DDR3 DRAM that uses any ole ic's and they dont seem to be of "good" quality.
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[revin]

Wow a cheap flat $50 alternative Corsair XMS3 1600 C11 But a "true 32Gb "set"

Corsair site say's it's compatible with Intel Z68

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[Aleslammer]

Apr 3, 2023 19:34:17 GMT -5 revin said:

Wow a cheap flat $50 alternative Corsair XMS3 1600 C11 But a "true 32Gb "set"

Corsair site say's it's compatible with Intel Z68

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Version # would make the Elpida IC's if the DDR3 list is correct, definitely worth a test. 

[revin]

Apr 5, 2023 6:33:51 GMT -5 Aleslammer said:

Apr 3, 2023 19:34:17 GMT -5 revin said:

Wow a cheap flat $50 alternative Corsair XMS3 1600 C11 But a "true 32Gb "set"

Corsair site say's it's compatible with Intel Z68

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Version # would make the Elpida IC's if the DDR3 list is correct, definitely worth a test. 

Thank you Ale  ! I had came across "somehwere" in the past week about the 2.21 the .2 had some relevant about "good" IC's used

And it's pretty cheap

Sadly our vet has informed us it's close for our 13yr old Golden she's been having issues since her cancer diax {G.I., and quite common}just right after mine in 2020

I been focused on her a lot last couple weeks and not as much on the ram

[revin]

WElp ok, I finally snagged the XMS3 kit this am.

Maybe it will work out good

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[revin]

I came across the invoice for the previous 32Gb set,
GSkill F31866C10Q32GAB

Set BIOS to default and tried all 4 then 1 at a time while doing Default BIOS reset between each.

I cant seem to find what ic config they used {1Rx8 or 2Rx8}

I did come across a 2013 1M SuperPi run with i think these sammy's 7.577

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[revin]

Welp i just remembered i had used Intel Intergraters Kit { 4 or 5} to mod my BIOS

When the BIOS splash screen popped up i remembered

It was mostly for V-Droop iirc that i modded, and a cool splash screen, but i got get that drive connected and run IITK and double check

Also the XMS3 is pretty standard size, so think it will fit good under the Ninja , and indeed these are DS stix, so thats a plus, kinda ........

 

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