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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 3, 2023 11:53:14 GMT -5
I am now interested in how Scott is going with this 9900k on water he should be looking at 5.3 chiller 5.8 probably. Speed is not needed with Tropics its all GPU like heaven and card memory speed is important. Tristan I thought you might show up in this GTX260 challenge being a discorder Setup is being difficult. This 9900K is an ES. I didn't know that because it was lapped. Thing runs hot as a bitch. 4.7 on air @ 1.4v is all it can do. Chiller will put me over 5, but I can't even guess how much. Had to deal with a bad stick of ram also. Didn't see that coming either. Good set of Trident Z 4266's. I will try to RMA those. |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 3, 2023 11:57:00 GMT -5
Boards that dont do anything not even the CPU fan spins up when the power button is pressed are generally dead southbridge the powerbutton signal goes straight into the southbridge. Board starts and fans spin, but that's it. Post code is just two dashes (- -), nothing else. It never progresses. No beep codes from speaker at all. Tried multiple processors, ram, and GPU's. Nothing makes a difference. |
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Post by Bones on Jan 3, 2023 11:57:05 GMT -5
Man - You're having one of my "Nothing works" episodes.
Frustrating as all Hell when it happens.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 3, 2023 11:58:05 GMT -5
Man - You're having one of my "Nothing works" episodes. Frustrating as all Hell when it happens. Indeed |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 3, 2023 12:09:07 GMT -5
I am now interested in how Scott is going with this 9900k on water he should be looking at 5.3 chiller 5.8 probably. Speed is not needed with Tropics its all GPU like heaven and card memory speed is important. Tristan I thought you might show up in this GTX260 challenge being a discorder Setup is being difficult. This 9900K is an ES. I didn't know that because it was lapped. Thing runs hot as a bitch. 4.7 on air @ 1.4v is all it can do. Chiller will put me over 5, but I can't even guess how much. Had to deal with a bad stick of ram also. Didn't see that coming either. Good set of Trident Z 4266's. I will try to RMA those. A bad stick? I've never put more than 2.0v through em. Ran daily 4000mhz cl 16s. Keep your system Agent in check with XMP enabled. 1.2v will be plenty for the XMP profile which the 8700K could not post straight away. Gotta work up to it, the IMC is crappy on that chip IMO. Vccio 1.20v should do it. 5ghz, 1.360v should be enough, if you use the 8700K, which should be fine for GPU benching. You'll need the GPU OC more so than system tuning. GL! |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 3, 2023 12:28:59 GMT -5
Setup is being difficult. This 9900K is an ES. I didn't know that because it was lapped. Thing runs hot as a bitch. 4.7 on air @ 1.4v is all it can do. Chiller will put me over 5, but I can't even guess how much. Had to deal with a bad stick of ram also. Didn't see that coming either. Good set of Trident Z 4266's. I will try to RMA those. A bad stick? I've never put more than 2.0v through em. Ran daily 4000mhz cl 16s. Keep your system Agent in check with XMP enabled. 1.2v will be plenty for the XMP profile which the 8700K could not post straight away. Gotta work up to it, the IMC is crappy on that chip IMO. Vccio 1.20v should do it. 5ghz, 1.360v should be enough, if you use the 8700K, which should be fine for GPU benching. You'll need the GPU OC more so than system tuning. GL! Will do. Thanks Jonny.  |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 3, 2023 12:32:55 GMT -5
A bad stick? I've never put more than 2.0v through em. Ran daily 4000mhz cl 16s. Keep your system Agent in check with XMP enabled. 1.2v will be plenty for the XMP profile which the 8700K could not post straight away. Gotta work up to it, the IMC is crappy on that chip IMO. Vccio 1.20v should do it. 5ghz, 1.360v should be enough, if you use the 8700K, which should be fine for GPU benching. You'll need the GPU OC more so than system tuning. GL! Will do. Thanks Jonny. No problem. The sticks are A2 pcb. So 2T command rate. Sorry bout the ram if there's a bad stick. I did not test them after good beatings, that's my bad. |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 3, 2023 17:14:41 GMT -5
I wasn't worried about it. I have extra sets.
This 9900K sucks. Going to the 8700K and see what happens.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 3, 2023 18:28:11 GMT -5
My 9900KF is a hot chip too 8700K should do better.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 3, 2023 20:35:28 GMT -5
Benches up to 3d06 won't scale past 6 threads, shut off the HT when you can.
5.3ghz all core on the chiller should be doable. Starts wanting the v-core though.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 4, 2023 8:44:33 GMT -5
I have a new issue. Can no longer lock CPU multi to all cores. Same on both chips. Gonna re-flash bios and see if that fixes it.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 4, 2023 11:07:01 GMT -5
I have a new issue. Can no longer lock CPU multi to all cores. Same on both chips. Gonna re-flash bios and see if that fixes it. Bios flash fixed it. Flash fixed supposed bad ram also. Pleased about that. |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 4, 2023 17:24:21 GMT -5
If it does that again just set the cores individually.
You might of had turbo off or something like that makes them do that wont set cores properly.
I usually get that problem when its a frequency limited comp and I turn turbo and core shift off.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 4, 2023 17:38:09 GMT -5
Tried and checked all of that multiple times. None of it worked.
Works like a champ now. 5 gig was effortless on the 8700K. Will re-try the 9900K later.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 4, 2023 17:48:53 GMT -5
That's great news.
Not sure what bios was on it, but definitely was not the latest.
Get em Scotty!
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 4, 2023 18:05:52 GMT -5
I am running 2203 Bios on mine
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 4, 2023 18:26:06 GMT -5
I have been discretely following Scotty's effort on Apex X, both with 8700k and 9900k.
Just a very small advice.
A2 mems are the worst choice for Apex X.
A0 or A1 only.
Also. Above 5.3ghz bios sets automatically DMI voltage to 1.6v.
Totally useless. This is ln2 voltage setting.
Just in case set it manually to 1v.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 4, 2023 18:58:58 GMT -5
I am running 2203 Bios on mine 2203, me too. |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 4, 2023 19:00:52 GMT -5
I have been discretely following Scotty's effort on Apex X, both with 8700k and 9900k. Just a very small advice. A2 mems are the worst choice for Apex X. A0 or A1 only. Also. Above 5.3ghz bios sets automatically DMI voltage to 1.6v. Totally useless. This is ln2 voltage setting. Just in case set it manually to 1v. Thank you. Keep me in line buddy. I'm on a fast learning curve on this board. |
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 4, 2023 19:09:40 GMT -5
I have a complete setup here.
Apex X, 8700k ( 5.6ghz 1.38v on water ) and Galax Hall of fame 2018 silver model A1 that do 4200 12-11-11-24-1T at 2.02v on air.
So, i can reply to whatever questions you have, suggest mem profiles, anything really.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 5, 2023 2:14:54 GMT -5
Scott should go extreme.... He'd kill everyone's Super Pi scores. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 5, 2023 2:33:03 GMT -5
I have been discretely following Scotty's effort on Apex X, both with 8700k and 9900k. Just a very small advice. A2 mems are the worst choice for Apex X.A0 or A1 only. Also. Above 5.3ghz bios sets automatically DMI voltage to 1.6v. Totally useless. This is ln2 voltage setting. Just in case set it manually to 1v. Oh wanted to mention, cause I'm not sure, but he has my old setup George. Maximus X Hero, A2 4266mhz G.Skill b-die samsung and 8700K cpu, he's ready for direct die too. I left the cpu unglued for that reason. But he does not have an Apex board, just in case. |
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 5, 2023 7:58:14 GMT -5
I have been discretely following Scotty's effort on Apex X, both with 8700k and 9900k. Just a very small advice. A2 mems are the worst choice for Apex X.A0 or A1 only. Also. Above 5.3ghz bios sets automatically DMI voltage to 1.6v. Totally useless. This is ln2 voltage setting. Just in case set it manually to 1v. Oh wanted to mention, cause I'm not sure, but he has my old setup George. Maximus X Hero, A2 4266mhz G.Skill b-die samsung and 8700K cpu, he's ready for direct die too. I left the cpu unglued for that reason. But he does not have an Apex board, just in case. Does not sound very promising Jon. Generally speaking, Asus Hero boards are second best. Even my 500 bucks Z690 Hero is a compromise ( for me at least ). Oh well... We will work with what we have got. First thing first. I would really prefer a good set of A1 mems. On Hero target for good benching would be 3866 - 12-12-28-1T. 1.75V should be ok if the IMC is not total garbage. Maxmem set at 2200mb. I can certainly adjust some profiles for this, see what works and what not. Let's see some bios pictures of your settings Scotty and we will take it from there. Patience |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 6, 2023 12:13:42 GMT -5
Soon, and thank you. |
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Post by entilzha on Feb 3, 2023 0:59:47 GMT -5
Crack the lid and run it nekkid. Dropped 15C on my 9900KS that way. 250W at 85C all core.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Feb 3, 2023 8:28:50 GMT -5
Crack the lid and run it nekkid. Dropped 15C on my 9900KS that way. 250W at 85C all core. Gonna have to. |
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Post by georgekokovinis on Feb 3, 2023 8:38:42 GMT -5
Not that simple.
1) Special delid tool required.
2) 9900K is soldered.
After delidding soldering must be removed both from DIE and IHS, before applying liquid metal and resealing.
Total gain if done correctly, 100mhz.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Feb 3, 2023 8:57:43 GMT -5
Not that simple. 1) Special delid tool required. 2) 9900K is soldered. After delidding soldering must be removed both from DIE and IHS, before applying liquid metal and resealing. Total gain if done correctly, 100mhz. Crap. Didn't know 9900K was soldered. 100 MHz not worth the effort. |
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Post by austin86 on Feb 3, 2023 9:59:24 GMT -5
Not that simple. 1) Special delid tool required. 2) 9900K is soldered. After delidding soldering must be removed both from DIE and IHS, before applying liquid metal and resealing. Total gain if done correctly, 100mhz. Crap. Didn't know 9900K was soldered. 100 MHz not worth the effort. wow the 9900k is soldered??? I thought that was not a thing anymore. |
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Post by entilzha on Feb 3, 2023 10:24:20 GMT -5
Not that simple. 1) Special delid tool required. 2) 9900K is soldered. After delidding soldering must be removed both from DIE and IHS, before applying liquid metal and resealing. Total gain if done correctly, 100mhz. I know, because it was the first CPU I ever delidded. I run mine with an bare-die frame, but I have re-lidded my 4th gen CPUs. Man, the paste was bad on the Haswells... Full disclosure though. I can't get my 9900KS to run at 5.2GHz stable even with 1.4V. I don't know what's up with it. I think they were binned to the hilt. |
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