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Post by Aleslammer on Dec 30, 2022 8:16:44 GMT -5
Been going through some boards I've never ran. First two boards have southbridge problems, MSI P965 Deluxe Platinum and a Giga P35 DQ6, neither would load OS from a optical drive, SATA or PATA so grave up on them. The Giga did make windows with an XP I had for X48 but the USB's where a no show. Switched to AMD, have a couple 955 BE's to test and a CHIVE, mounted the board grabbed a CPU off the self, got everything running with W7, loaded CPUz to find I had picked up the wrong CPU. Board defaulted to a 20 multi, set the 25 froze at windows load, kicked voltage on the CPU up a tenth of a volt as a quick test, running happy. Now to see if the board will do anything notable with the CPU. Sure, folks know this but surprised me.  |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 30, 2022 9:20:22 GMT -5
Good chip.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 30, 2022 17:04:30 GMT -5
Yes it is I see that is the latest bios Asus released a bios with support for FX.
Interested to see how it goes.
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Post by Aleslammer on Dec 31, 2022 8:03:25 GMT -5
Not really happy so far, ran X265 1080 @ 5.5 for a 23.17 getting beat by a 5.4 @ 23.79 on a 990 board getting the Z out for tomorrow. Best I could do with WP32, same as I sub'd just added the Everest info as CPUz is having problems reporting voltage. Fluid @ -10C  |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 31, 2022 8:51:42 GMT -5
Good chip. Mem frequency is great but FX usually struggles with anything much more than that. Sweet spot is around 1800.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 31, 2022 19:21:07 GMT -5
Yes it is good what temp is the water?
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 1, 2023 4:35:01 GMT -5
Well the CHVF V better for X265 but getting nowhere close to the same Freq's from yesterday. The Z's overvolt protection won't bypass in BIOS so only have software to up vcore.
Mac, water/fluid @ -10c
Got a few more FX's to play with over the next couple days.
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Post by Bones on Jan 1, 2023 6:30:22 GMT -5
Well the CHVF V better for X265 but getting nowhere close to the same Freq's from yesterday. The Z's overvolt protection won't bypass in BIOS so only have software to up vcore. Mac, water/fluid @ -10c Got a few more FX's to play with over the next couple days. What exactly do you mean by that? |
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 1, 2023 8:20:52 GMT -5
Well the CHVF V better for X265 but getting nowhere close to the same Freq's from yesterday. The Z's overvolt protection won't bypass in BIOS so only have software to up vcore. Mac, water/fluid @ -10c Got a few more FX's to play with over the next couple days. What exactly do you mean by that? I tried OVP disabled/enabled in BIOS but didn't work, BIOS just kept giving me hit F1 due to CPU overvolt and back to BIOS, do you have to have the LN2 jumper set? |
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Post by Bones on Jan 1, 2023 9:10:49 GMT -5
What exactly do you mean by that? I tried OVP disabled/enabled in BIOS but didn't work, BIOS just kept giving me hit F1 due to CPU overvolt and back to BIOS, do you have to have the LN2 jumper set? No jumper to worry about, you go into the BIOS under the tab that shows monitoring values such as CPU temp, voltage, fanspeed and so on. Set it to "Ignore" monitoring CPU voltage and that will take care of it. And yes, be sure to enable "Extreme Voltage" in the BIOS too so you get the full range of voltage selection available. Have fun with it.  |
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 1, 2023 9:24:58 GMT -5
I tried OVP disabled/enabled in BIOS but didn't work, BIOS just kept giving me hit F1 due to CPU overvolt and back to BIOS, do you have to have the LN2 jumper set? No jumper to worry about, you go into the BIOS under the tab that shows monitoring values such as CPU temp, voltage, fanspeed and so on. Set it to "Ignore" monitoring CPU voltage and that will take care of it. And yes, be sure to enable "Extreme Voltage" in the BIOS too so you get the full range of voltage selection available. Have fun with it. THANK YOU!!!!!!! |
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Post by Bones on Jan 1, 2023 20:00:44 GMT -5
Keep us updated with the results you get! |
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Post by zila1 on Jan 1, 2023 21:37:46 GMT -5
Ooooooh, that's a nice chip. I just saw this.
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Post by eidairman1 on Jan 2, 2023 12:22:12 GMT -5
I did 200x25 for my Sabertooth R2.0, Ram is at XMP 2400 with 1.65V but the Timings are as low as they can go with 2 sticks at 2400(8GB) Trying to run cas 9 at 2400 just causes my capacity to be cut to 8G.
Ripjaws with Trident Settings.
FX 8350 25x200 (5GHz)
16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
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Post by MachineLearning on Jan 2, 2023 14:39:45 GMT -5
Does this mobo allow for 1C/1M operation with FX? This is the only thing the Saber 1.x doesn't have.
If so, I'll definitely pick one up eventually. Ale Belo said it's good efficiency too, along with GB 890FX, TA890FXA, and MSI 890FXA-GD80.
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Post by Bones on Jan 2, 2023 15:02:47 GMT -5
Does this mobo allow for 1C/1M operation with FX? This is the only thing the Saber 1.x doesn't have. If so, I'll definitely pick one up eventually. Ale Belo said it's good efficiency too, along with GB 890FX, TA890FXA, and MSI 890FXA-GD80. No, it does not have 1 core/1 module capability in it's BIOS like a Gigabyte does, in fact I'm not aware of any Asus boards that has it for AM3+. However - A Crosshair V-Z is the best overall board you can get from Asus for AM3+ and probrably the best overall too, just not singularly in each and every benchmark case of course. Top picks for AM3+ from Asus are the Crosshair-V and the "Z" versions of it, The Sabertooth 2.0 and 3.0 (New 3.0 Version). The Sabertooth 1.x can unlock cores, the later versions cannot do that so that makes the 1.0/1.x the only Sabertooth board that can do it out of the 990FX series. The original Crosshair V can unlock cores, the "Z" versions do not unlock cores. There are two versions of the Sabertooth 3.0, the older version is an "Avoid like the plague" item for any kind of real OC'ing useage or just useage in general. Really buggy and the design of that particular 3.0 revision was never sorted properly. The later 3.0 is a different animal. Well made, does great with a good BIOS and even has an m.2 drive slot. Easily identified by it's darker colored Black/gray/white theme, the m.2 slot and by the RGB LED's under the PCI-E latches. For Super PI (Both 1m and 32m) it's been said Gigabyte is the best out of all for AM3+ and I've no reason to doubt it, I just need to find one and try it myself one day. That's probrably why Ale referred to it's efficiency (1C/1M) and he's correct about that. |
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 3, 2023 9:34:45 GMT -5
What's with the FX-4200, damn thing is quick in the multithread benches. I checked CPU World it's got a little more L1 cache if I was reading it right, does that make that much difference?
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Post by zila1 on Jan 3, 2023 10:47:08 GMT -5
Does this mobo allow for 1C/1M operation with FX? This is the only thing the Saber 1.x doesn't have. If so, I'll definitely pick one up eventually. Ale Belo said it's good efficiency too, along with GB 890FX, TA890FXA, and MSI 890FXA-GD80. No, it does not have 1 core/1 module capability in it's BIOS like a Gigabyte does, in fact I'm not aware of any Asus boards that has it for AM3+. However - A Crosshair V-Z is the best overall board you can get from Asus for AM3+ and probrably the best overall too, just not singularly in each and every benchmark case of course. Top picks for AM3+ from Asus are the Crosshair-V and the "Z" versions of it, The Sabertooth 2.0 and 3.0 (New 3.0 Version). The Sabertooth 1.x can unlock cores, the later versions cannot do that so that makes the 1.0/1.x the only Sabertooth board that can do it out of the 990FX series. The original Crosshair V can unlock cores, the "Z" versions do not unlock cores. There are two versions of the Sabertooth 3.0, the older version is an "Avoid like the plague" item for any kind of real OC'ing useage or just useage in general. Really buggy and the design of that particular 3.0 revision was never sorted properly. The later 3.0 is a different animal. Well made, does great with a good BIOS and even has an m.2 drive slot. Easily identified by it's darker colored Black/gray/white theme, the m.2 slot and by the RGB LED's under the PCI-E latches. For Super PI (Both 1m and 32m) it's been said Gigabyte is the best out of all for AM3+ and I've no reason to doubt it, I just need to find one and try it myself one day. That's probrably why Ale referred to it's efficiency (1C/1M) and he's correct about that. Very well said Bones. |
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Post by Bones on Jan 3, 2023 11:14:12 GMT -5
What's with the FX-4200, damn thing is quick in the multithread benches. I checked CPU World it's got a little more L1 cache if I was reading it right, does that make that much difference? No, it's a "True" 1 core/1 module chip in that it doesn't do the multi-threaded "Thing" with it's modules/cores. What that means is ALL the cache per core/module is used by a single "Core" which does help efficency a bit. Same cache used without the muti-core thing happening with each module so it isn't having to share it's cache between "Cores". That means all 4 modules with the cache in each module are in full use vs it being a 2 module chip acting as a 4 core chip with the multi-threaded thing going on to make it that way. It was said this may make it a good Super PI chip vs the rest in terms of efficiency and there seems to be some evidence of it, but at the same time it's still a Zambezi chip. A Vishera based chip will still kick it's ass in Super PI overall. Mine does well and I need to redo some runs with it to max out my results with it one day. EDIT: What you refer to as "More cache" may be due to all the cache within the chip itself being available for these "Cores" to make use of, that would have an impact in certain multi-threaded benchmarks. An FX-4100 for example would only have half of the total cache within the chip as it was made available to use but since all 4 modules in a 4200 are in use, their cache per module is available - "Per Module" being key to it. To sum it up by example: An FX-4100 only has two modules in the chip running with two disabled, "making" it a 2 core/2 module chip by count (2 x 2 = 4 cores) with the cache in two available, the cache in the other two unused modules not available. An FX-4200 has all 4 modules in use with half of each module disabled (1 core/4 module chip / 1 x 4 = 4 cores) BUT since each module is in use, the cache within each module is available for use per core. Hope I didn't over-explain it, probrably did though.  zila1 - Thanks man, I hope it's accurate (Enough) to be of some use. |
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Post by eidairman1 on Jan 3, 2023 21:29:11 GMT -5
Does this mobo allow for 1C/1M operation with FX? This is the only thing the Saber 1.x doesn't have. If so, I'll definitely pick one up eventually. Ale Belo said it's good efficiency too, along with GB 890FX, TA890FXA, and MSI 890FXA-GD80. No, it does not have 1 core/1 module capability in it's BIOS like a Gigabyte does, in fact I'm not aware of any Asus boards that has it for AM3+. However - A Crosshair V-Z is the best overall board you can get from Asus for AM3+ and probrably the best overall too, just not singularly in each and every benchmark case of course. Top picks for AM3+ from Asus are the Crosshair-V and the "Z" versions of it, The Sabertooth 2.0 and 3.0 (New 3.0 Version). The Sabertooth 1.x can unlock cores, the later versions cannot do that so that makes the 1.0/1.x the only Sabertooth board that can do it out of the 990FX series. The original Crosshair V can unlock cores, the "Z" versions do not unlock cores. There are two versions of the Sabertooth 3.0, the older version is an "Avoid like the plague" item for any kind of real OC'ing useage or just useage in general. Really buggy and the design of that particular 3.0 revision was never sorted properly. The later 3.0 is a different animal. Well made, does great with a good BIOS and even has an m.2 drive slot. Easily identified by it's darker colored Black/gray/white theme, the m.2 slot and by the RGB LED's under the PCI-E latches. For Super PI (Both 1m and 32m) it's been said Gigabyte is the best out of all for AM3+ and I've no reason to doubt it, I just need to find one and try it myself one day. That's probrably why Ale referred to it's efficiency (1C/1M) and he's correct about that. It be sweet if we could crossflash a modded ST 1.0 bios to a ST R2.0 to enable core unlocker. |
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Post by Bones on Jan 4, 2023 0:28:53 GMT -5
It be sweet if we could crossflash a modded ST 1.0 bios to a ST R2.0 to enable core unlocker. It would be sweet - Except it won't work that way. The ability to unlock cores is hardware based and there is a component on boards that can do it which allows it to be done. Without this component the board is incapable of unlocking anything and AMD "Asked" board makers to stop adding it to their boards. That's why after the first AM3+ boards were made this component was no longer part of boards from all manufacturers. What was going on was FX wasn't doing too well and with the flop of Bulldozier, many were still buying AM3 chips for their AM3+ boards which AMD wasn't that happy about. AMD didn't mind it while AM3 chips were in production as in their latest/newest because it did drive sales during the AM3 days but once FX was introduced and the AM3+ socket was introduced they wanted FX to sell..... And it wasn't selling like they wanted it to. So they "Politely" asked the makers to remove the unlocking feature from their AM3+ boards and of course they complied. That's one of the big reasons why the Sabertooth 1.0 and the original Crosshair V were updated with a newer verison of each by Asus for example, and it was like that for the rest too. |
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Post by MachineLearning on Jan 4, 2023 1:42:10 GMT -5
Does this mobo allow for 1C/1M operation with FX? This is the only thing the Saber 1.x doesn't have. If so, I'll definitely pick one up eventually. Ale Belo said it's good efficiency too, along with GB 890FX, TA890FXA, and MSI 890FXA-GD80. No, it does not have 1 core/1 module capability in it's BIOS like a Gigabyte does, in fact I'm not aware of any Asus boards that has it for AM3+. However - A Crosshair V-Z is the best overall board you can get from Asus for AM3+ and probrably the best overall too, just not singularly in each and every benchmark case of course. Top picks for AM3+ from Asus are the Crosshair-V and the "Z" versions of it, The Sabertooth 2.0 and 3.0 (New 3.0 Version). The Sabertooth 1.x can unlock cores, the later versions cannot do that so that makes the 1.0/1.x the only Sabertooth board that can do it out of the 990FX series. The original Crosshair V can unlock cores, the "Z" versions do not unlock cores. There are two versions of the Sabertooth 3.0, the older version is an "Avoid like the plague" item for any kind of real OC'ing useage or just useage in general. Really buggy and the design of that particular 3.0 revision was never sorted properly. The later 3.0 is a different animal. Well made, does great with a good BIOS and even has an m.2 drive slot. Easily identified by it's darker colored Black/gray/white theme, the m.2 slot and by the RGB LED's under the PCI-E latches. For Super PI (Both 1m and 32m) it's been said Gigabyte is the best out of all for AM3+ and I've no reason to doubt it, I just need to find one and try it myself one day. That's probrably why Ale referred to it's efficiency (1C/1M) and he's correct about that.
Thank you.  I snagged a 890FXA-UD5 albeit r3.0 not 3.1. I know it isn't quite as good (at the very least, the AM3+ socket on r3.1 should be more electrically robust), but I verified it supports FX CPUs just fine. It uses an identical BIOS to the r3.1 which is interesting - same size, same version. Best voltage regulation on any board I've used, it is exact down to the mV with Thuban from my brief testing.
I don't want to hijack this thread, but if I may ask, is there a major difference in OC-ability with the ChV/-Z vs. the Sabertooth?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 4, 2023 2:04:23 GMT -5
AleslammerIf you'd like to catch my 4170 scores done with a 4+2 VRM board 760G chipset..... All you need is TWO things. V-core (2.0v+) & FULL LN2 pot. CPU frequency is first. Memory frequency is second HT and NB worry lastly. If you're water cooling, don't spend money on this platform. I'll send you some hardware instead cause I owe you anyways.
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Post by Bones on Jan 4, 2023 2:15:06 GMT -5
Thank you. I snagged a 890FXA-UD5 albeit r3.0 not 3.1. I know it isn't quite as good (at the very least, the AM3+ socket on r3.1 should be more electrically robust), but I verified it supports FX CPUs just fine. It uses an identical BIOS to the r3.1 which is interesting - same size, same version. Best voltage regulation on any board I've used, it is exact down to the mV with Thuban from my brief testing.
I don't want to hijack this thread, but if I may ask, is there a major difference in OC-ability with the ChV/-Z vs. the Sabertooth?
Nothing that can be called a major difference but there are a few differences that can make the difference between 1st and 2nd place results, based on how good the individual board is. The Crosshairs have full power support, that means an 8 and 4 pin plug for CPU power, the Sabertooths only have the 8 pin plug available. The BIOS of a Crosshair has more options and an extended (Greater) range of things like CPU voltage you can select for example. The BIOS also has more tweakability for some items, particuarly in the RAM dept vs what a Sabertooth has available to use and that does include the newer Sabertooth 3.0, which BTW has plenty on it's own. Drawbacks, if any are the extensive options you have in a Crosshair can confuse, even to the point it can be a detriment. If you don't "Know" the Crosshair's BIOS and understand what the labels are referring to when you see them, it can be a chore to work with.... But it can be done. A Sabertooth BIOS is a simpler, more to the point kind of BIOS and it's easier to tweak for big clocks and results. If you do know a Crosshair's BIOS and so on you can out-tweak a Sabertooth's results, barring a variable coming into play such as a golden chip ran in a Sabertooth you'd be up against for example. The older versions such as the Sabertooth 1.0 and Standard Crosshair V aren't as polished or mature as the later versions are so they do lack just a tad in comparison "On average" but a good example of an older one is just as capable as any of the later models/versions you'd probrably find out there. You really can't go wrong with either board model/line TBH about it, just look over some of my results as evidence of it. And thanks for the link, I'll check that out concerning MSI. |
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 4, 2023 6:25:17 GMT -5
ShrimpBrime Got too much stuff now, but thanks. Just grinding not looking for records. MachineLearning Ask away, personally learning some stuff, more questions more answers. Every CPU I've ran so far posted and made windows at 5.25 with 1.575 vcore except FX-6100, have two samples one won't make windows @ 4.8 the other is hard pressed to run light 2D @ at 5.2, although FX-6100 worth a lot of points if you could find a good one.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 4, 2023 8:49:33 GMT -5
Nope. It is a hardware limitation. Have to have the right SB. MSI had the right one, so all they had to do was add bios support. |
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