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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 18, 2022 5:22:48 GMT -5
Scott will be able to tell you more about dual and single rank I dont really know I have had the ram I have for 10 yrs or so. I only bought them because they were BH5 and TCCD I have others too like BH6 and TCCC and some I dont know what they are but those didnt perform the way I wanted.
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Post by Bones on Nov 18, 2022 5:57:29 GMT -5
From my experience dual rank DDR is better than single ranked DDR sticks. If you have or can get a set of single ranked sticks that can clock high enough with good timings those are good too. Personally speaking my best DDR sticks are dual ranked so if I were you, that's what I'd look for.
If you can find a set of BH5's that's 256MB per stick those tend to be good like my Corsair XMS V1.1's are. I have no less then three sets of BH5, two sets being Corsair and one being a set of Kingstons I got a long time ago with a board and chip combo I bought with all three of these being 2x256MB sets. I will also say the OCZ Golds I mentioned as being Hynix B could be BH5 themselves since BH5 was an IC type those were made with, but I believe they are Hynix B's because they don't behave like BH5 tends to - Esp since they don't care about alot for really high voltages. They can and do respond to higher voltages but tend to max out a little lower than BH5 normally does while still getting good MHz from them. These are also a set of 2x256MB sticks.
My unbinned 2x 512MB OCZ Golds are indeed dual rank unbinned Windbond sticks with stock voltage for them being 3.2v's..... And of course can take all a 939 DFI can throw at them (4v's or a tad more) and be loving it. These can also run CL1.5, depending on how I tune them and the chip I run with them.
I do refer to TCCD as a more "Universal" DDR type because they respond well to voltage and doesn't take as much to max those out, meaning they are suitable for most DDR based boards. One set I've got that does really well are my Patriot PC4000 ELK sticks rated for CL3-4-4-8, yet can do CL2.5-3-3-7 @ 600 DDR all day long and it's the same for my Corsair XMS PC4400 V1.1 sticks. Some of the good sets have loose/looser timings but can tighten up well like these do. It's knowing what sets can do it and how to identify them that matters, in the case of Patriots ELK sticks like mine are rather good inspite of their stock timings as mine have proven.
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Post by MachineLearning on Nov 18, 2022 6:33:08 GMT -5
From my experience dual rank DDR is better than single ranked DDR sticks. If you have or can get a set of single ranked sticks that can clock high enough with good timings those are good too. Personally speaking my best DDR sticks are dual ranked so if I were you, that's what I'd look for. If you can find a set of BH5's that's 256MB per stick those tend to be good like my Corsair XMS V1.1's are. I have no less then three sets of BH5, two sets being Corsair and one being a set of Kingstons I got a long time ago with a board and chip combo I bought with all three of these being 2x256MB sets. I will also say the OCZ Golds I mentioned as being Hynix B could be BH5 themselves since BH5 was an IC type those were made with, but I believe they are Hynix B's because they don't behave like BH5 tends to - Esp since they don't care about alot for really high voltages. They can and do respond to higher voltages but tend to max out a little lower than BH5 normally does while still getting good MHz from them. These are also a set of 2x256MB sticks. My unbinned 2x 512MB OCZ Golds are indeed dual rank unbinned Windbond sticks with stock voltage for them being 3.2v's..... And of course can take all a 939 DFI can throw at them (4v's or a tad more) and be loving it. These can also run CL1.5, depending on how I tune them and the chip I run with them. I do refer to TCCD as a more "Universal" DDR type because they respond well to voltage and doesn't take as much to max those out, meaning they are suitable for most DDR based boards. One set I've got that does really well are my Patriot PC4000 ELK sticks rated for CL3-4-4-8, yet can do CL2.5-3-3-7 @ 600 DDR all day long and it's the same for my Corsair XMS PC4400 V1.1 sticks. Some of the good sets have loose/looser timings but can tighten up well like these do. It's knowing what sets can do it and how to identify them that matters, in the case of Patriots ELK sticks like mine are rather good inspite of their stock timings as mine have proven. Got it, thank you. I'll show a picture here of all the DDR once it comes in, thankfully it's so cheap. A lot of Winbond if the seller wasn't misleading, potentially 3 sets of dual-rank BH-6 & 1 set of SR AT-6. All very cheap too. Will keep an eye out for Hynix B for sure. Sounds like a fun IC.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 18, 2022 8:40:36 GMT -5
Any ideas what IC these are? Stripped OCZ Premier 400MHz CAS2.5-3-3-7 DDR PC3200 Premier (2.5-3-3-7-1T @ 2.6V) OCZ400512PDC-K Powerchip
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Post by MachineLearning on Nov 18, 2022 8:43:48 GMT -5
Any ideas what IC these are? Stripped OCZ Premier 400MHz CAS2.5-3-3-7 DDR PC3200 Premier (2.5-3-3-7-1T @ 2.6V) OCZ400512PDC-K Powerchip Thank you
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 18, 2022 8:44:30 GMT -5
Does single vs. dual rank matter for DDR1?
Not much. Get the best clocking sticks you can regardless of rank.
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Post by MachineLearning on Nov 18, 2022 10:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 18, 2022 11:54:50 GMT -5
I'd ask Scotty for some lite XP versions to play with vs full OS plus service packs.
When using W7, I use the 7600 starter, no updates. Haven't tried a lite version of 7, but XP lite is the way to go.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 18, 2022 12:15:18 GMT -5
Apparently WinXP SP3 has issues with the A8N32-SLI Deluxe even with the latest BIOS. I think it might not be fully ACPI-compliant. Will try SP2 later today. Never had a problem with full SP3 install on that board. You have a hardware issue or bad media. TinyXP for you. 1drv.ms/u/s!Akv2fO-y-lM7jAm-cJlE1hMlQubd?e=Ldz5Xj
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 18, 2022 13:31:58 GMT -5
You're than man Scotty
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Post by dr4g00n on Nov 18, 2022 13:58:41 GMT -5
Any ideas what IC these are? Stripped OCZ Premier 400MHz CAS2.5-3-3-7
Hynix D50 or Mosel Vitelic 5ns most likely looking at the IC's, both useless really. Look at the "dots" on either end of the IC, that pattern is either Hynix or Mosel. Edit: Oops, didn't realize there was a second page. Could also be PSC like Scotty mentioned, don't have any on hand to check though.
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Post by MachineLearning on Nov 18, 2022 22:11:10 GMT -5
Apparently WinXP SP3 has issues with the A8N32-SLI Deluxe even with the latest BIOS. I think it might not be fully ACPI-compliant. Will try SP2 later today. Never had a problem with full SP3 install on that board. You have a hardware issue or bad media. TinyXP for you. 1drv.ms/u/s!Akv2fO-y-lM7jAm-cJlE1hMlQubd?e=Ldz5Xj Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, both TinyXP & XP SP2 have the same issue as SP3. Considering other people have easily done it, it's gotta be me that's the problem. Although someone else here did experience this before so at least I'm not going crazy yet: warp9-systems.proboards.com/thread/946/asus-a8n32-sli-deluxeSo far I have ruled out: - RAM (tried different ICs & BIOS settings) - GPU (HD7750, GT210) - SSD incompatibility (Plextor S3C, SanDisk X400) - XP versions (SP2, SP3, TinyXP) - Hardware instability (boots fine & runs P95 in W7) I'll keep poking at it throughout the day.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 18, 2022 23:20:22 GMT -5
I think the problem is in front of your eyes put a spinner on and try that it doesnt like SSD's not the first time I have heard of that.
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Post by MachineLearning on Nov 19, 2022 0:08:03 GMT -5
I think the problem is in front of your eyes put a spinner on and try that it doesnt like SSD's not the first time I have heard of that. No luck, tried a spinner just now. Even with no drives attached, or another CD drive, the system will still freeze - but only about 10-15s after initially loading all files. If I'm quick enough I can begin the file copying from CD -> HDD, but it still freezes up during it. The oddest thing. EDIT: It looks like that KVR is CH-6, since it can boot CAS3 I might take a break from XP troubleshooting so I can start playing around with the RAM in W7. At least, I can see what works and what doesn't.
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Post by agentx007 on Nov 19, 2022 12:07:52 GMT -5
I would suggest disabling Windows Update service, and IDE/USB controllers. Alternative is installing on IDE HDD, and disabling SATA stuff.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 19, 2022 17:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 20, 2022 9:49:49 GMT -5
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Post by MachineLearning on Nov 20, 2022 11:05:49 GMT -5
Yumi is a great program, I used it for many years when I used to play with Linux distros. Nowadays I actually use Easy2Boot, since it seems to provide more options, plus you just copy the .ISO directly over to the USB (no E2B install needed). Except for single-OS, totally agree with Rufus there. No-go again, even with both your suggestion and Agent_007's. It's been all CD up until Yumi. I think from here I will just report back with what works, clearly something is wrong in a bizarre way here. Don't want to create 17 pages of garbage. Thanks guys for being persistent with me, I appreciate it.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 20, 2022 13:06:00 GMT -5
Yumi is a great program, I used it for many years when I used to play with Linux distros. Nowadays I actually use Easy2Boot, since it seems to provide more options, plus you just copy the .ISO directly over to the USB (no E2B install needed). Except for single-OS, totally agree with Rufus there. No-go again, even with both your suggestion and Agent_007's. It's been all CD up until Yumi. I think from here I will just report back with what works, clearly something is wrong in a bizarre way here. Don't want to create 17 pages of garbage. Thanks guys for being persistent with me, I appreciate it. We'd have at least appreciation for 17 pages because you'll learn and apply it for something useful.
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Post by MachineLearning on Dec 7, 2022 14:04:32 GMT -5
Well, shit - I took another crack at it today and figured it out. PEG Link Mode. I had this set to Normal and thought nothing of it, since that should be the most stable, right...? Apparently, not. PEG Link Mode = Normal: no issues in W7, but XP won't even install. Set to Auto: issue goes away. I feel much better now that I know I'm not going crazy.
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Post by MachineLearning on Dec 10, 2022 12:35:54 GMT -5
Now is finally the time to play with the legendary s939. I think it's probably best to begin with 939 anyway, this is the end of the line for DDR1 so I think I'll be more RAM-limited than anything. I have a few questions on some memory options for the A8N32-SLI Deluxe with TCCD: - tCWL 1 works just fine, 2 does not POST. Expected for TCCD? - Due to a large Thermalright cooler, I can't use slots 1&3 for dual-channel. I know DFI was quite specific about where TCCD or BH-5 go - ASUS too? - Weaker DDR drive strength preferred for TCCD? How about data driving strength? (-15%, -30%, -45%, Disabled) - Burst length matter for OC? Assume that 4 or 8 is optimal. - DDR Input Strobe skew? (Slower, Faster, Disabled) - "Enable 32-Byte granularity", disabled or enabled? - "R/W Queue Bypass Count" & "ByPass Max" - Either of these important for OC? - Does mem divider matter for OC stability or performance? (Except of course for the resulting frequency, as always) Poking around with a 3800+ X2 Manchester, going to see if I can't get some scores up today.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 10, 2022 13:37:22 GMT -5
Now is finally the time to play with the legendary s939. I think it's probably best to begin with 939 anyway, this is the end of the line for DDR1 so I think I'll be more RAM-limited than anything. I have a few questions on some memory options for the A8N32-SLI Deluxe with TCCD: - tCWL 1 works just fine, 2 does not POST. Expected for TCCD? - Due to a large Thermalright cooler, I can't use slots 1&3 for dual-channel. I know DFI was quite specific about where TCCD or BH-5 go - ASUS too? - Weaker DDR drive strength preferred for TCCD? How about data driving strength? (-15%, -30%, -45%, Disabled) - Burst length matter for OC? Assume that 4 or 8 is optimal. - DDR Input Strobe skew? (Slower, Faster, Disabled) - "Enable 32-Byte granularity", disabled or enabled? - "R/W Queue Bypass Count" & "ByPass Max" - Either of these important for OC? - Does mem divider matter for OC stability or performance? (Except of course for the resulting frequency, as always) Poking around with a 3800+ X2 Manchester, going to see if I can't get some scores up today. Divider matters, pending multi used and FSB. "R/W Queue Bypass Count" & "ByPass Max" -- Max them. 7 and 16 Slots don't matter on Asus, like it does on DFI Burst length 4 Granularity disabled Skews and strengths you have to try. I usually don't touch them
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Post by Bones on Dec 10, 2022 16:07:43 GMT -5
Just know you're not the only one with the OS install issue related to these boards. Mine is the same way and a PITA sometimes about an new OS install just like yours is.
What I do to get it going is I'll "Piggyback" the install on another machine just to get the process started such as formatting/setting up the partition, getting the OS files on the drive - That kind of thing.
I'll let it go all the way to the point of reboot - Once it says it's going to reboot to continue the install I will let it begin to reboot process but before it can cycle power back on again I'll kill the power (PSU switch), remove the drive, hook it up to the board, move the install disc over too and let it go from there.
This way the files are there, the partition/MBR is there too so it will boot and go, installing basic drivers for the A8N per normal installation process.
As to what and how I do it: What I do is first I'll get the A8N into it's BIOS, pop the install disc in the optical drive and designate the HDD/SSD as the primary boot drive, then save and reboot. After that it will boot normally and continue the install as if it was done on the board from the start.
Just try it and see.
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Post by MachineLearning on Dec 10, 2022 16:30:43 GMT -5
Thanks Mr.Scott . Overall D1 seems pretty straightforward, especially vs. DDR4 or even DDR3. Bones : Thanks for the tip If I have install issues again, I'll surely try that. Fortunately, I solved the issue in XP by changing PEG Link Mode to Auto instead of Normal... I have no idea why, but that worked. One other thing I spotted, I think XP should be okay even between different boards but within the same chipset family. I cloned a s754 XP install (K8N Neo3-F + Clawhammer) and that works flawlessly with the A8N32-SLI Deluxe (Manchester) without needing additional drivers.
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