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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 11, 2022 20:56:34 GMT -5
Share me your thoughts on page file, usage, enable or disable.
Teach me. I'm being told elsewhere my understanding of it is not accurate.
I disable this feature on most occasions even on my main rig. It seems useless on my modern platforms. I don't see a need for it.
Can you share your experience and knowledge with me please?
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 12, 2022 9:03:19 GMT -5
OS needs a page file. No matter how small. It will make it's own whether you disable or not. You just won't see it, but it's there.
I set a static PF of 512 on all my OS's.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 12, 2022 11:32:34 GMT -5
OS needs a page file. No matter how small. It will make it's own whether you disable or not. You just won't see it, but it's there. I set a static PF of 512 on all my OS's. I did see someone mention that also. However, I was under the impression that going through regedit and setting swap file to 0 prevents the OS from creating its own page file when the user disabled it. And none of this matters for WXP and nlite versions I assume? This is a W7 thing and up? |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 12, 2022 12:09:34 GMT -5
No. XP especially needs it.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 12, 2022 12:38:20 GMT -5
No. XP especially needs it. Just to be clear, In what scenario? Benching or daily use. Answers to both please and why. (Because I don't witness page file usage on modern systems. X64) |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 12, 2022 17:53:12 GMT -5
Both.
If pagefile wasn't necessary, why would it be built in?
OS actually has to work harder finding a way around the circumvented pagefile, even though it may seldom have to use it
with today's hardware and huge memory amounts.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 12, 2022 18:42:24 GMT -5
Paging file is necessary I was running GPUPI with the Newark the other day W7 64 and 512Mb of memory while the bench was running the HD led was constantly on.
Put in another stick so there is 1024Mb and the HD led was pretty well off all the time and a slight improvement in time.
All depends on what you are doing.
I have been using Barbone's Wanted XP for SPi it has no paging file it is a very very light XP I wouldnt use it for anything other than SPi. Pifast it wasnt all that good.
If you run out of memory and there is no paging file its a crash.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 12, 2022 18:45:03 GMT -5
Both. If pagefile wasn't necessary, why would it be built in? OS actually has to work harder finding a way around the circumvented pagefile, even though it may seldom have to use it with today's hardware and huge memory amounts. I cannot answer your question honestly. From any experience I've delt with page file, it simply no impact on anything. Enabled or not. Ill also answer a question with a question. Why would they state (Micrsoft) that a system with enough memory may not need to have page file enabled? Is this a play on wording? I can be jousted by misinformation given from the source? If page file is simply a hidden file on a drive that's prepared for reads and writes like system memory, wouldn't that be a horrible impact on system performance?? ---- I suppose I should start using page file enabled. All these years benching, I've turned it off. System restore... off. All background services off. W7 using 219mb at idle. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 12, 2022 18:51:33 GMT -5
Paging file is necessary I was running GPUPI with the Newark the other day W7 64 and 512Mb of memory while the bench was running the HD led was constantly on. Put in another stick so there is 1024Mb and the HD led was pretty well off all the time and a slight improvement in time. All depends on what you are doing. I have been using Barbone's Wanted XP for SPi it has no paging file it is a very very light XP I wouldnt use it for anything other than SPi. Pifast it wasnt all that good. If you run out of memory and there is no paging file its a crash. Ok, I'm not in danger of running out of memory. At least on the modern systems, 32GB. So once a page file is being used, what kind of impact is that on solid state hard drives. This would involve a lot of writes I'm assuming? LIke w10 / w11 platforms. Do you feel the ssds could degrade from this? Just install more system memory?? |
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 12, 2022 19:08:04 GMT -5
If you have a lot of memory it shouldnt use the paging file much.
As for the wear on the drive I couldnt say I have all the SSD drives except one that died. But all the rest work fine I think I have 17 that I use for the TC.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 13, 2022 10:14:10 GMT -5
Pagefile will not thrash your SSD's. SSD's have come a long way since their inception.
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Post by austin86 on Nov 16, 2022 10:45:01 GMT -5
Pagefile will not thrash your SSD's. SSD's have come a long way since their inception. This so this. many years ago I had a 3.5" ide SSD. Its sucked, really sucked. Sure access times were fast but over all speed was trash, and it did not last long too. Today using HDDs for anything but bulk cheap storage is crazy talk.
Also shutting off the page file can end up with more things hitting ram, this can speedup or slow down things depending on the setup and what you are doing. I also played around with putting the page file in a ram drive.
I found that having a small page file and lots of ram was the best setup for me.
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Post by freeagent on Nov 17, 2022 9:10:29 GMT -5
I almost never use a PF just to save on SSD writes. Sometimes when running something like TM5 I will wish I had PF enabled, but it’s very rare and I don’t notice any performance gain or loss..
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 17, 2022 9:12:02 GMT -5
Pagefile will not thrash your SSD's. SSD's have come a long way since their inception. This so this. many years ago I had a 3.5" ide SSD. Its sucked, really sucked. Sure access times were fast but over all speed was trash, and it did not last long too. Today using HDDs for anything but bulk cheap storage is crazy talk.
Also shutting off the page file can end up with more things hitting ram, this can speedup or slow down things depending on the setup and what you are doing. I also played around with putting the page file in a ram drive.
I found that having a small page file and lots of ram was the best setup for me.
I've shut it off customary for many years. Cause I haven't witnessed page file being used. Drive space allocated, yes. But usage = 0 = all benchmarks. Open performance monitor and right click the graph, add counter, select page file. You guys can watch for page file usage. Please screen shot something over 0%, I'd be interested to see this! |
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Post by freeagent on Nov 17, 2022 9:52:49 GMT -5
PF was mainly for systems that did not have much system memory was it not?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 17, 2022 10:05:26 GMT -5
PF was mainly for systems that did not have much system memory was it not? That's what I always thought. But some dudes say it has something to do with memory management. All the recent screen shots from socket A su missions to the Team Cup su missions, including and not limited to the 20th fastest dual core y-cruncher 1b run of 80 seconds was done with page file disabled. The benchmarks run with all resources disabled turns off page file anyways as far as I'm aware. So those doing that, are disabling it any ways because the operating system doesn't have the required services enabled to utilize it. |
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Post by austin86 on Nov 17, 2022 11:04:31 GMT -5
PF was mainly for systems that did not have much system memory was it not? yes it was, but it is still used for other things, like hibernation. |
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Post by freeagent on Nov 17, 2022 12:06:49 GMT -5
I’ve been turning it off since I started rockin more than 512MB in XP  As for hibernation.. my pc does not sleep  Edit: Love the hat |
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Post by austin86 on Nov 17, 2022 14:04:12 GMT -5
Love the hat Thanks, a fella over on the EVGA forums made it, but I forgot who. I am amazed I've not gotten in trouble or started a fight for using it. |
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Post by eidairman1 on Feb 7, 2024 22:20:05 GMT -5
The Page File was known as Swap Space in WME/9X, just like how Services are known as Terminate Stay Residence back then.
It was used when the system did not have enough Physical RAM, so it reserves a portion of the drive normally larger than the physical ram, it was like a ram drive, virtual ram.
The drawback is it will rubber band, and on HDDs it would fragment, which in turn slowed the system down.
I would set it to 4096MB which was the most WXP and W7 allowed inspite having 2GB~16GB of ram so it had no chance of rubber banding.
In XP HDD days I tried setting a partition soley for paging but the trouble is with partitioning is you lose quite a bit of storage space. It seemed faster but I'm sure if the head had to travel far just to get to that partition it would slow down.
Another solution was to have a small drive designated for Paging only.
Today with SSDs, I just leave the pf on the same drive and set it to 4096mb and leave it alone.
On a tangent, XP2 and older supported larger than 4KB cluster sizing on NTFS and FAT32, SP3 does not, which could drastically affect how quick a system ran, but supposedly large clusters wasted storage space...
There are several programs and games that still try to detect the pf, so it is best to leave the pf enabled...
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 8, 2024 2:41:42 GMT -5
Meh, I do benchmarks.
Running now my brother
14700K 16 threads. 5.7ghz
RX 6800 no XT +5% power
PCMark10.
Should I turn this back on again now? 🤔 I turned it of a while ago, almost forgot. Shit. I don't get memory dumps on blue screens now either. Not that I need them, I already know what I did wrong to recieve it haha!!!
Nope. Everyone else should leave this feature enabled just in case.
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Post by Suzuki on Mar 2, 2024 17:33:39 GMT -5
Someone told me it helps runs in x265 , if this option is disabled or put to fixed value.
I am not a fan of that bench.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Mar 3, 2024 10:20:53 GMT -5
Someone told me it helps runs in x265 , if this option is disabled or put to fixed value. I am not a fan of that bench. Big fan of x265 here.  Mind your vcore is all. |
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