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Post by cssorkinman on Sept 9, 2022 12:53:43 GMT -5
Looking for the best fps possible in modern games at 1080p and low to medium detail settings on DDR3 systems running Windows 10 and DX12. Things have changed quite a bit since DDR3 was the new standard - I used to get away with 4 gb, then 8 and now anything less than 16 can be a handicap. These increased demands have left my old ram kits wanting and I'm having to start over with new ones. Given the information above I'm wondering if I should be focusing on setting up my Sandy Bridge, FX and Phenom systems with the lowest cl kits I have or focus on frequency instead? Seems like I'm bumping into bottlenecks in the ram/cache system in DX12, but I could be wrong. Thanks in advance for any and all replies  |
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Post by Bones on Sept 9, 2022 13:14:18 GMT -5
Don't forget SB is RAM MHz limited to an extent but can (Should) hang with FX and PH II with ease. In this case a mix of RAM speeds and timings may be the ticket, CL9 sticks that can clock well are good but only if you can get the MHz they are capable of from the system. ATM I have a set of some high rated sticks in my current setup, in my case it's a set of these www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE%C2%AE-Pro-Series-%E2%80%94-16GB-%284-x-4GB%29-DDR3-DRAM-2800MHz-C12-Memory-Kit/p/CMY16GX3M4A2800C12R except mine is a 2x4GB (8GB total) kit, not a 4x4GB set and mine being rated for CL12 stock. I wouldn't go for sticks with really loose timings if your system can't handle the higher speeds of course, that's why I'm thinking in your case a higher rated set of CL9 sticks may be on target. |
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Post by georgekokovinis on Sept 9, 2022 13:16:13 GMT -5
Your bottleneck is the platform you use.
Modern games ( even ) at 1080p need cpu power to assist the vga.
Then I would focus on ram.
Speed with stability is your priority there.
Low latency will not help at all.
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Post by cssorkinman on Sept 9, 2022 15:45:15 GMT -5
Thank you for the prompt replies . Those are some nice sticks for FX in particular Bones. It's happened with every generation of ram - I end up wishing I would have sniped a good deal on faster or higher capacity modules when they were accessible - ddr1 to ddr3 and I bet it will happen to me with DDR4 as well. I think I will start with a 2x8 cl9 2133mhz set of Mushkin redlines in my FX rig and go from there. I never messed around with ram too much on Sandy systems but never had any luck going above 1866 mhz . I have a couple 4 and 8 gb sets of low cl 1600 mhz kits that worked pretty well with my son's 2600k machine , I just wish I had the same timings and frequency in a 16 gb set. Georgekokovinis- Yeah those old rigs have had their day for sure, just trying to get the best from them in spite of that. It just seems like in windows 7 and DX 11 I could fairly reliably push the gpu usage and fps numbers higher with cpu clockspeed but DX12 seems to have found another weakness in those old machines because I don't as reliably see increases in gpu usage or fps with increased cpu speed. I have seen decreases in cpu utilization % with cpu speed so I'm just starting to look for the cause. In my experience with FX on DX 11 pushing for higher frequencies helped when using higher settings or higher resolutions in particular. Thanks again! |
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Post by pioneerisloud on Sept 9, 2022 16:27:28 GMT -5
Phenom and FX, I'd go for lower latency. Sandy Bridge, speed. But honestly, as already mentioned, the platforms themselves are going to be a problem with the FX and Sandy Bridge systems obviously performing better. 16GB on an FX 8 core can still handle things decently these days, but its getting pretty tough on newer titles even still. Honestly, I've found the FX 8 core system performs better than my 3770k did in 2022.
Unless your going for straight up benching and performance, I'd just go for 16GB of whatever you can find cheap for whatever your best system is (1600+ CAS 9 preferred), and call it a day. Save up for a more modern system if you want more modern games.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 9, 2022 18:00:26 GMT -5
You'll never see 2133 on FX. Sweet spot is around 1800.
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Post by eidairman1 on Sept 9, 2022 18:31:24 GMT -5
Looking for the best fps possible in modern games at 1080p and low to medium detail settings on DDR3 systems running Windows 10 and DX12. Things have changed quite a bit since DDR3 was the new standard - I used to get away with 4 gb, then 8 and now anything less than 16 can be a handicap. These increased demands have left my old ram kits wanting and I'm having to start over with new ones. Given the information above I'm wondering if I should be focusing on setting up my Sandy Bridge, FX and Phenom systems with the lowest cl kits I have or focus on frequency instead? Seems like I'm bumping into bottlenecks in the ram/cache system in DX12, but I could be wrong. Thanks in advance for any and all replies You should run them with the highest bandwidth and tightest timings possible Eg my kit runs at 2400 but the CAS cant drop below 10, because if I try 9 then only 8G out of 16 is useable... You'll never see 2133 on FX. Sweet spot is around 1800. Mine did XMP at 2133, and it is 2400 with tightest timings possible, i havent tried beyond that because then I would need to screw with the FSB |
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Post by cssorkinman on Sept 9, 2022 18:39:12 GMT -5
Pio- I have a nice Ryzen system for the heavy lifting when it comes to gaming and my old favorites can't touch it that's for sure. I'm trying to make good use of my old machines by getting them set up for use by my nephews at family gatherings/lan parties. They won't have the latest and greatest gpu's nor monitors so 1080p will be the flavor of the day. 7970, 780ti,980ti and a 290X lightning will get the nod as far as graphics. They like to play CSGO,War Zone,Fortnight,pubg and the battlefield series among others. Did you mean Phenom/Thuban , Mr.Scott? I've never had much luck above 1750 mhz on the AM3 chips but my patience ( and talent  ) is kinda limited when it comes to ram tuning. |
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Post by Bones on Sept 9, 2022 21:37:50 GMT -5
You'll never see 2133 on FX. Sweet spot is around 1800. I have to disagree - I did with with all 4 slots populated and even have a screenie of it around here somewhere. But as for the sweet spot, that I do agree on - 1800 is it. EDIT: Found it.  cssorkinman For anything AM3 related 1600 is your sweet spot, not too many AM3's will not like going much above that for any kind of daily use.
A set of sticks that can run CL6/7 timings at 1600 is what you'd want, they can be found and I do have a couple of sets like that here - Only caveat is those tend to be smaller in GB capacity vs the higher/looser sets you can find.
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Post by pioneerisloud on Sept 10, 2022 18:38:31 GMT -5
Pio- I have a nice Ryzen system for the heavy lifting when it comes to gaming and my old favorites can't touch it that's for sure. I'm trying to make good use of my old machines by getting them set up for use by my nephews at family gatherings/lan parties. They won't have the latest and greatest gpu's nor monitors so 1080p will be the flavor of the day. 7970, 780ti,980ti and a 290X lightning will get the nod as far as graphics. They like to play CSGO,War Zone,Fortnight,pubg and the battlefield series among others. Did you mean Phenom/Thuban , Mr.Scott? I've never had much luck above 1750 mhz on the AM3 chips but my patience ( and talent ) is kinda limited when it comes to ram tuning. Ahhh, that makes more sense then. Unless you're going for benching, honestly it really won't matter THAT terribly much IMHO. Capacity > Speeds / timings. RAM is still faster than your storage, so keeping things off the pagefile is still what's most important there. SSD too, I can't stress that enough, put SSD's in there. I have a Phenom, Phenom II, and FX rig myself. So long as you're aware of their limitations and don't try to run modern AAA titles on them, they still play games fantastically. Just as well or better than they did when they were new. The FX series is still capable of modern title gaming, the Phenom II and older are not due to missing instructions on more modern titles. BUT, like I said, they still do a great job. I mean you CAN sometimes rig a modern title to play. I've seen people play RDR2 on the Phenom II with playable framerates for example with modded game files. I never bothered trying it on anything older than my FX though due to the missing instructions thing. |
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Post by cssorkinman on Sept 14, 2022 8:19:40 GMT -5
All good points pio - SSD's give the old system half a chance ( oh those load times - ugh!).
I've been playing around with 16 gb's on one of my CHV-Z's in configurations from cl 9 1866 to cl 10 2400 with all manner of tertiary timings etc.
After a few evenings of putzing around it seems there is a problem with my board ( bios or hardware) or cpu's imc as my results aren't consistent at all.
Think I will start over using the Gigabyte 990 UD5 or the Asus 970 Aura - the latter of which has an M.2 slot.
Just for fun I tried some 4k battlefield on the old FX rig -
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