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Post by george on Mar 17, 2022 14:42:48 GMT -5
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Post by Vinster on Mar 17, 2022 20:36:03 GMT -5
sweet
Vin
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Post by cbjaust on Mar 17, 2022 21:26:53 GMT -5
I'm not holding my breath for ASUS to put out a beta bios with Vermeer support for the C6H.
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Post by freeagent on Mar 17, 2022 21:29:48 GMT -5
They are slow as balls to release updates once the board approaches 2 years. When I got my board they were dropping like 2 a month, then they dried up for like 9 months. They finally updated the AGESA, too bad it sucks.
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Post by eidairman1 on Mar 23, 2022 20:42:18 GMT -5
They are slow as balls to release updates once the board approaches 2 years. When I got my board they were dropping like 2 a month, then they dried up for like 9 months. They finally updated the AGESA, too bad it sucks. AsRock tends to be the fastest with the other big 3 being slow as hell. |
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Post by cbjaust on Mar 29, 2022 0:32:58 GMT -5
Asus finally got around to releasing a beta bios with AGEASA 1.2.0.6c with Zen3 support for the Crosshair VI hero and also my other board I use for APU IGP score, the Strix X370-F Gaming. I'll now be able to run Crossfire and nVidia SLI with my 5900X. The MSI B550 Unify-X I using at the moment sacrifices actual PCIe slots for a whole bunch of M.2 slots. i agree with Buildzoid that PCIe connecters are much more usefull than a heap of M.2.
happy days.
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Post by alpi on May 31, 2022 17:06:59 GMT -5
Small help (maybe) to Crosshair 6 owners for W7. I will keep those stuff uploaded for a while so feel free to download and use if You want.  You can get a W7 what is basically ready for benching. Every basic thing should working. Usb's, Nvme (if You have), audio, lan. Readout / monitoring is perfect and also tweakable from os. Zen3 works perfect with this board (with these, more exactly) and it's slightly better in W7 than the earlier types. It worth to try some legacy 3D at least !  Yo ucan use it to other boards / types / chipsets also. If You have drivers, it should be good, I think. Have fun ! |
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Post by george on Jun 9, 2022 5:36:53 GMT -5
Updated a MSI B350 motherboard with its latest beta incl. AGESA ComboAm4v2PI 1.2.0.7
A fair amount of newer Ryzens supported, but as I experienced, seems some of the older Ryzens have fallen off this BIOS.
Will not pass POST with older CPU, and the way MSI constructed it, will not allow BIOS downgrade via M-Flash! dammit.
Seem SPI flash is the only way around this.
I saw a software tool that works for some Ryzen boards, but for B350 seem be very risky, resulting in a brick.
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Post by Vinster on Jun 9, 2022 19:17:32 GMT -5
Well that's shitty. did the release notes have any detail on dropping the older CPU's?
I recall the original reason that 1st gen boards wouldn't support new CPU's and new boards wouldn't support older CPU's was due not enough memory on the bios chip to carry all of it.
maybe that's what they did?
Vin
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Post by george on Jun 10, 2022 4:11:35 GMT -5
There was no information of dropped CPU support(except Ryzen Bristol Ridge CPUs).
I think it may be due to BIOS memory size. The older boards have 16MB, the newer ones have 32MB size.
They already skipped the fancy GUI for a simpler BIOS menu as to save some space for other support.
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Post by alpi on Jul 31, 2022 12:16:34 GMT -5
XP installer for older Am4 boards. (Works on Crosshair 6, Asus Tuf B450 and some Asrock B450, confirmed.  ) Not really good for anything, just for fun.  |
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Post by eidairman1 on Aug 17, 2022 22:56:26 GMT -5
Small help (maybe) to Crosshair 6 owners for W7. I will keep those stuff uploaded for a while so feel free to download and use if You want. You can get a W7 what is basically ready for benching. Every basic thing should working. Usb's, Nvme (if You have), audio, lan. Readout / monitoring is perfect and also tweakable from os. Zen3 works perfect with this board (with these, more exactly) and it's slightly better in W7 than the earlier types. It worth to try some legacy 3D at least ! Yo ucan use it to other boards / types / chipsets also. If You have drivers, it should be good, I think. Have fun ! Since there are b550 chipset drivers for W7, all thats needed is a stand alone DX12 Ultimate container pack |
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Post by george on Mar 1, 2023 18:54:18 GMT -5
^^^Ref. to my previous post, took a plunge to see if I can get that MSI B350 going again(it did work when I put a R5 5600G in to it after latest beta BIOS update), anyway, sooner or later need to upgrade something somewhere. Another Ryzen 5 and a set of DDR4 is on the delivery list (forgot to add M.2 storage in the order, but I have some junk SATA stuff, so have to see how it goes).
just browsed around a bit, even these older motherboards keep a good price on the 2nd hand market.
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Post by alpi on Mar 8, 2023 21:10:31 GMT -5
You can check the bioses for the targeted board by Agesa and Cpu support. I think every board has some newer bios with Zen3 support now. (or basically every. ) As You can see, there are some Agesa with really wide support list even. With one of those, You can easier update with a current, older cpu if board hasn't got any "auto-flash" feature. However it's not 100% true for every manufacturer and every bios (theoretically) since Smu packages can be removed but as I've seen, this Agesa / support list used to be ok.  |
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Post by george on Mar 9, 2023 16:30:46 GMT -5
Just got a message the "new " R5 is on the way to my local delivery pick up place. However now is the point, where do I collect some of other components, may have to dismantle some other stuff to test this one out. I am not really into "Frankenstein" builds anymore . But we'll see, if it still can breathe.
EDIT: It just arrived so I picked it up, "interesting" times ahead, maybe. See if I can bring this thing going before lawn mowing season begins. Snowstorm weather predicted this coming Sunday  |
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Post by alpi on Mar 11, 2023 12:22:03 GMT -5
Choosed a random Msi B350 board and schecked the latest bios. 7A39v2P3(Beta version) www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350M-GAMING-PRO/supportIt says : "- Remove the support of AMD Bristol Ridge series APU." Checked the Smu packages and these are all contanined.  My X370 board has 16 MB bios ic too. (C6H) Believe it or not, it's not a problem anymore. After it was one of the issue with the older, 300 series boards and new gen cpu support... Magically, 16 MB became more and more by the time. Just like the older borards what weren't built to serve Zen3 cpus. After a 1 year or 2, boards improved a lot (on a shelf or in a pc) and became suitable to operate with a Zen3 cpu. Just as good as the last gen, 500 series boards. There isn't a tiny diff. even. In perf. or any other way.... And ppl used to say, there are no wonders ! World is full of them. Ps. : Actually, this shows the list, what I sent earlier is totally useless. |
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Post by alpi on Mar 11, 2023 12:41:28 GMT -5
EDIT: It just arrived so I picked it up, "interesting" times ahead, maybe. See if I can bring this thing going before lawn mowing season begins. Snowstorm weather predicted this coming Sunday I built a pc with a R5 5500 so I could test one and have to say, it's such a cool chip ! Usually it's not recommended because it has only half as big L3 cache. But it's not a disaster and it has a way lower price than a 5600 even. Because of the price It has an ultimate price / perf. rating. I can say, it's the new R5 3600. Funny but the prices are really close to the 3600. And if I have to choose between a 3600 and a 5500 it wouldn't be a question even. R5 5500 is better. In every way. What was a very cool thing, after everything other, it has very good idle consumprion. A lot better than the desktop types. Desktop ones, has some 12-15W (minimum) Soc (Iod, fabric and some other components too) cons, so the if the cores are fully idle / sleep and nearly hasn't got consumption, the cpu package still needs 15W(+). Apu's nad mobil cpus (R5 5500 is an Apu but without Igp) has different Soc. It can do only a few Watts when idling. Ok, not a game changer, a few Watts only, but it's still a nice feature. And not to mention, because it's a monolyth cpu with different layout, it can do a lot higher fclk, like Apus.   Geekbench 3 : hwbot.org/submission/5150997_alpi_geekbench3___multi_core_ryzen_5_5500_38490_pointsFun thing, the factory mem speed spec say up to 4133 Mhz (oc) It can do 4550 Mhz at least. www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-GAMING-PLUS-MAX Btw, the board is absolutely overperfomed what You can expect from a cheap, B450. Not the cheapest B450 but it's still very cheap compared any newer ones. (or maybe those are too pricy... ) Cinebench R20 with stock cooler. (with the stock paste even... After change it to GD900, the temp was around 10 degree lower. ) It was under 80 degree with the stock cooler. Max 75 more likely. You can see, it has around 4W idle cons. And it's not a readout bug, it's really can go that low. With a desktop cpu, it's around 15-20W. The pc had under 40W idle cons. (measured at the 220V socket) Also the very good efficiency of a gtx 1060 was needed but still pretty cool, I think. And it was a cheap project. Had to build a gamer pc for a small child with an 500$ limit. It wasn't easy, but it became a very good little machine at the end. R5 5500, 2x8 Gb ram, Gtx 1060 6 Gb, 400W psu, case, the ssd was a gift from me (made to the son of my friend) since it would ruin the whole project if I had to step one back in every component. 4 core cpu or a lot weaker vga for e.g. It was a fabulous christmas gift.  |
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Post by george on Mar 15, 2023 9:07:38 GMT -5
Oh s.it, made a classic blunder, the MSi B350 will not POST (three beeps)with Team T-Force Vulcan Z 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200MHz DIMM Grey Heatspreader TLZGD416G3200HC16CDC01. Was lazy , did not check beforehand.
Then checked the RAM support list, it is not there, although hundred of of others. Anyhow, checked the gig A520M, RAM support seem be there, however the current RAM I use in the A520M was also not in the B350 list. The PNY RAM from my B550M did also not work in the B350. Welp, have to try out if my current Fury Beast RAM in A520M will run the B350.
EDIT: tried it, nope, no POST, however the T-Force Vulcans work in the gig A520M, I even gave them a bit more frequency via BIOS, otoh it was small step. Man, these AM4 rigs are picky with the RAM.
Son have a set of DDR4 that I know works with the B350, but he is now overseas so no way to test.
But yes, back on topic, would really like to see this R5 5500 going on B350.
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Post by alpi on Mar 31, 2023 13:46:26 GMT -5
To the mem things : Strange, because the mem compatibility became a lot better than before. Since nearly everything (every main, important thing) conatined in the Agesa, the diffs between the boards are not that huge. Ok, there is but far not huge than between budget and a top tier Intel. Just because the main things are bringed with the Agesa and not by the bios dev team of the manufacturer. I've tried a few mems and never seen any that couldn't even post. It's possible though but not a common thing. Did 2x8, 4x4, 2x8 + 2x4, 2x16 setups with differnt mem types but everything was fine. Even the mem oc basics are pretty much similar between the boards. It's quite cool because You can do nice setups with a low budget mobo even. Some subs can't be tightened to the very same level but performance can be really close to any top type. (as You can see above the 2x8 bdie in a B450 board) I wish the B350 won't be that picky and You can enjoy that config ! Ps. : Actually, Amd not gives too much freedom to the board manufacturers. It has good and bad side even. Good because the basic things are the same in every board (with similar Agesa). Only restricions are available. And that is the bad side. Any unlocked, added feature or even the tiniest "unofficial way of useage" is forbidden and impossible to made. If Amd wants to give +200 Mhz boost override, they make it possible. If they want to disable, it won't work in the next release. Bclk oc ? Turned off. Pci-e 4.0 on older boards ? Ahh, no way. 4.0 is for 500 series only. Even Ln2 mode is in Agesa ! These are all added restrictions, not missing features. Just like the Zen3 support in 300 serie. Those weren't made for Zen3 at first but magically became capable with time ! And works perfectly without any tiny issue.... I absolutely don't like these things but this is how things going nowadays. |
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Post by george on Mar 31, 2023 17:58:09 GMT -5
That was the approach I took, usually even these AM4 boards take whatever DDR4 one sticks into them. And, if there is a slight instability, but still can POST and get into BIOS, some manual tuning likely can make it stable.
In my case with MSI B350, will not POST with the T-Force Vulcans, just the memory beep codes and red lights on the motherboard.
The youngster with suitable DDR4 kit for this board is still on trip for another two months, so will see if we could swap DDR4 around after that.
EDIT: Made the MSI B350 running again, using my R5 5600G. The PCI-e slots seem dead, tried several cards. And on top of it all had a previous beta BIOS that had been pulled,
that is now updated(not related POST issue AFICS). Possibly when the PSU kicked the bucket took something out.
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You can get a W7 what is basically ready for benching. Every basic thing should working. Usb's, Nvme (if You have), audio, lan. Readout / monitoring is perfect and also tweakable from os. Zen3 works perfect with this board (with these, more exactly) and it's slightly better in W7 than the earlier types. It worth to try some legacy 3D at least ! 
Yo ucan use it to other boards / types / chipsets also. If You have drivers, it should be good, I think. Have fun ! 
) Not really good for anything, just for fun. 
