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Post by Aleslammer on May 19, 2021 15:24:42 GMT -5
As it states AMD or Intel, should know this but haven't been keeping up and generally a lot of comments on line are fanboy based. Also a comment about air / AIO would help. Have every thing I need but cooling and platform. Graduation gift for a grandson. Want to stay with AM4 or LGA 1200 and 8 cores.
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Post by georgekokovinis on May 19, 2021 15:30:52 GMT -5
Intel Brad, only for one reason.
Better IPS and single core performance, which matter most in games.
AIO definitely. 8 core Intels are burning volcanos.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 19, 2021 17:26:39 GMT -5
I second Intel, but for only gaming actually, turn the HT off. Work and streaming leave it on.
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 19, 2021 17:36:48 GMT -5
I'm with George on this.  |
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Post by freeagent on May 19, 2021 18:06:21 GMT -5
I would probably go with Intel too. I don’t know about AIO because the last one I used was an H100 that I ran with 120x38s  As for cooling big air and medium AIO seem close according to the internet. But I move like 4 or 5 times the air normal people do.. so not really the same game.. So go with the AIO |
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Post by Vinster on May 20, 2021 9:58:27 GMT -5
If it's only purpose is gaming. you don't need 8 cores. a 5600x is cost effective. Alamakluke is using one and hasn't had any issues. he's also tried a 3600x and noticed about a 10-15fps drop in performance with an Asus 6800XT Liquid Cooled unit.
if he may be streaming while gaming then ya, Intel 8 core, and I agree with Jon on the HT note.
AIO's I've not been a fan of as they can heatsoak and then you're fucked (experience with my son's system, with first an H70 and then an H100i on an FX2 chip.. put a big Noctua and temps never went beyond 60 degrees in the same case. he now has an 1800x and the same cooler and temps never pass 65 degrees).
For 8+ hours gaming days as kids can do I recommend a big air cooler within a proper air-flow case.
Vin
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Post by freeagent on May 20, 2021 12:05:53 GMT -5
The one time I deviate from my norm of being a big air cooler proponent another guy says air lol.. thats my luck lol. I love my air cooler. Its not LN2 so there are limitations.. that's why I move a shitload of air when I have to After having an AIO and using thick fans on it, I still get better results with my heatsinks. I would highly recommend the Thermalright FC140. Best cooler I have owned and I have 3x Thermalright coolers lol.. They tweaked the coldplate, and it can handle 7nm no problem.. |
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Post by Vinster on May 20, 2021 16:55:15 GMT -5
there isn't anything wrong with an AIO. for normal person usage... by being on all day doing office shit or a 2-4hr gaming session.. you'll never have an issue...
but you throw in a pubescent teenager with twin screens, one for gaming and the other with youtube (at the same time) from 8-9am to bedtime... that bugger of an AIO will be heat soaked and throttling the CPU by dinner. Now I've never run a triple fan AIO... But my kid never had a case big enough and I've given up on them after a double rad AIO.
You can never really go wrong with a properly sized Air-cooler, it will never not work if you have the case for it. or you go with an nonrestrictive custom WC kit. Or even one of those Build-your-own custom kits in a box that use 1/2" tubing of the sorts. Thermaltake and Coolermaster have double and tripple rad boxed kits. They are nice as you can upgrade and service them as required...
Vin
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Post by george on May 21, 2021 1:27:56 GMT -5
IME, I also prefer air cooled CPU. The kids here have that and sooner or later there is always one fan(Case, VGA, CPU etc) that start to become noisy and need some attention one way or the other.
What is nice with these newer tower type CPU coolers, one can actually replace the fan without too much hassle.
Or taking it out for cleaning without having to remove the HSF. |
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Post by freeagent on May 21, 2021 7:32:30 GMT -5
Not only that but they are very effective. Not all of them of course, you get the good and the bad.. I am a massive Thermalright fanboy, and have been so for well over a decade I bought my current one from Aliexpress, that's the only place you can get it that I know of.. |
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Post by georgekokovinis on May 21, 2021 7:41:17 GMT -5
Folks,
If by any chance you did not read correctly the initial post, the Intel option refers to socket 1200 with an 8 core processor.
Of course if the final decision of the OP will be Intel and not AMD.
At stock settings, an Intel 8 core cpu draws at full load 200W.
Overclocked ( if it is a good one ) at 5.2ghz it draws 400W.
Now, what on earth are you talking about air cooling ?
It needs a GOOD ( high end ) triple AIO to stay under control.
The system is going as a gift to a college graduate, who will use it for gaming mainly and maybe other apps down the road.
It must be hassle free under any conditions.
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Post by Aleslammer on May 21, 2021 10:13:10 GMT -5
Thanks all!!!
Actually had just finished placing the order before I read the final comment.
Did go with intel and a 360 AIO, have a 360 AIO on my own daily works pretty good overall as long as I don't close the door to the room while folding with the whole system (TR 2950 & two 2080 supers), room is to small to handle it.
Have never had a problem gaming but then again I don't play really heat producing games, have played up to 16 hours, retirement is nice.
Only reason I thought about air was I was folding on a 3900XT with a AMD stock cooler and didn't have a problem but were talking no case, placed near floor level with a 10" table top fan used for air movement and winter months.
George, high school starts college in the fall.
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Post by freeagent on May 21, 2021 16:12:45 GMT -5
Folks, If by any chance you did not read correctly the initial post, the Intel option refers to socket 1200 with an 8 core processor. Of course if the final decision of the OP will be Intel and not AMD. At stock settings, an Intel 8 core cpu draws at full load 200W. Overclocked ( if it is a good one ) at 5.2ghz it draws 400W. Now, what on earth are you talking about air cooling ? It needs a GOOD ( high end ) triple AIO to stay under control. The system is going as a gift to a college graduate, who will use it for gaming mainly and maybe other apps down the road. It must be hassle free under any conditions. Do you think 300-400w overclocked CPU's are a new thing? My current CPU is a power miser, but you can run big number through some air coolers. |
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Post by georgekokovinis on May 21, 2021 16:47:32 GMT -5
Folks, If by any chance you did not read correctly the initial post, the Intel option refers to socket 1200 with an 8 core processor. Of course if the final decision of the OP will be Intel and not AMD. At stock settings, an Intel 8 core cpu draws at full load 200W. Overclocked ( if it is a good one ) at 5.2ghz it draws 400W. Now, what on earth are you talking about air cooling ? It needs a GOOD ( high end ) triple AIO to stay under control. The system is going as a gift to a college graduate, who will use it for gaming mainly and maybe other apps down the road. It must be hassle free under any conditions. Do you think 300-400w overclocked CPU's are a new thing? My current CPU is a power miser, but you can run big number through some air coolers. Sure, what do I know ? BTW, you never replied to my post regarding your mems and my suggestions. I do not think I will bother again. |
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Post by freeagent on May 21, 2021 18:21:58 GMT -5
I didn't say that.. You can do it.. probably wont be quiet though.. but neither will that AIO?
I did? I left a full spec of my mobo, sticks, manufacturing date, everything..
That's too bad man, we coulda made some music together.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 21, 2021 20:10:30 GMT -5
Fuck AIO. Period.
Mixed metals, tiny thin cold plated, non serviceable, tiny little tubes, low end pump quality... They don't even look that good. Tubes generally either too long or too short... Seen big Intel chips killing AIO blocks from heat and cooling expansion, the O-rings leak... Should I continue?
Either Air cool your rig or build a custom loop that you can service, big all copper block to handle the load, larger tubes at correct length, Nice variable speed pumps...
(No offence to those that enjoy AIO. Through the years I've come to the conclusion that most AIO coolers have high failure rates and plenty of DOA on top of that.)
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Post by freeagent on May 21, 2021 20:35:40 GMT -5
I have my H100 and it feels pretty light with not much sloshing inside anymore lol.. sounds like the bottom of a beer can.. but at one time you could hear it was pretty full. I almost bought a Galahad to show the internet how they really compared to a top air cooled setup. I also ran my H100 with 120x38 Panaflo in push and push/pull and I am still comparing it to my air coolers on the same hardware, because I am a hoarder Although to be fair I have not mounted my FC 140 on my X58 yet.. It is rated for a lower TDP than my other coolers but it handily outperforms them on newer hardware, so far.. My other coolers can be directed compared to D15.. since they both outperformed my D14.. not by a ton, but a win is a win.. Edit: I am typing from the coffee table and I can barely read text so if you see any mistake I'm sorry.. |
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Post by Bones on May 21, 2021 20:52:34 GMT -5
Fuck AIO. Period. Mixed metals, tiny thin cold plated, non serviceable, tiny little tubes, low end pump quality... They don't even look that good. Tubes generally either too long or too short... Seen big Intel chips killing AIO blocks from heat and cooling expansion, the O-rings leak... Should I continue? Either Air cool your rig or build a custom loop that you can service, big all copper block to handle the load, larger tubes at correct length, Nice variable speed pumps... (No offence to those that enjoy AIO. Through the years I've come to the conclusion that most AIO coolers have high failure rates and plenty of DOA on top of that.) I don't like an AIO myself. I had even won such a unit once in a comp and just gave it away, I didn't want the hassles that comes with them or the fact at that time they didn't really last too long either. They are better but it's still an AIO, that's why i too prefer air or custom water. I can say right now the Icegiant I've got is doing really well, better than regular air and probrably just as good or even better than an AIO TBH. |
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 22, 2021 7:47:32 GMT -5
To be fair, there are AIO's that are good quality. They're not all junk. Just have to do your research.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 22, 2021 8:00:55 GMT -5
To be fair, there are AIO's that are good quality. They're not all junk. Just have to do your research. When does it become stupid to me the naming schemes..... Expandable AIO. = Custom loop. I'm talking about the non serviceable units. Ones you can't swap the parts or expand. You know the H100i every kid tries to cool a 5800X with (as an example) |
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 22, 2021 8:12:33 GMT -5
You don't buy the non serviceable ones. lol
AIO = pump and block unitized
Look for non Asetek combos
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Post by Bones on May 22, 2021 8:17:43 GMT -5
To be fair, there are AIO's that are good quality. They're not all junk. Just have to do your research. When does it become stupid to me the naming schemes..... Expandable AIO. = Custom loop. I'm talking about the non serviceable units. Ones you can't swap the parts or expand. You know the H100i every kid tries to cool a 5800X with (as an example) Same here. The ones that's sealed I don't like for sure. If it's serviceable that makes it alot better and preferred but if I'm going to have a watercooling setup I want it custom all the way. |
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Post by georgekokovinis on May 22, 2021 8:44:08 GMT -5
H100 is a 10+ years model.
Check out EKWB and Eisbaer models.
You get what you pay for.
Not all people are skilled to setup a custom loop.
5 years warranty for good triple EKWB and EISBAER units.
I have installed many in pc's of good friends.
Expensive systems.
Work for years without issues.
And they are almost silent.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 22, 2021 9:22:34 GMT -5
500$ EK Quantum 360. Yes I'm aware of the "Kits" you can buy. That's not what I'm talking about.... sigh
5 years warranty on AIO does not cover the components it takes out if there is a failure. Is it really worth the risk?
Silent? You build passive air cooling for that. My office PC is PURE SILENT. no fans. But it's running a proper chip to do so 220ge. Not a monster 11900K..lol
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Post by george on May 22, 2021 12:39:01 GMT -5
If this is for a younger computer user, he might not think if it lasts 5yr+. It will need to operate for whenever/every time, for the near foreseeable future. But yes, silent operation is important.
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Post by Aleslammer on May 22, 2021 13:50:51 GMT -5
Been a few post while I was doing a little research will have to catch up.
So basically we don't have a majority concept between Air / AIO and even after looking at a small sample set from the Bot's dbase its not a overwhelming answer in favor of one or the other.
I took two sockets and compared data for the major cooling groups, using WP 1024. S1366 is more towards the beginning of the AIOs while S1151 was released after the AIOs had been out for some time, (in my thinking back on it). Looking at the average from the top 20 scores from each cooling group based on CPU frequency.
S1366
Air Custom = 4693
AIO = 4665
Water Custom = 4745
Water Chilled = 4896
SS = 5246
Dry Ice = 5237
Cascade = 5301
LN2 = 6383
S1151
Air Custom = 4921
AIO = 5086
Water Custom = 5317
Water Chilled = 4992 (only 19 examples)
SS = 5490
Dry Ice = 5689
Cascade = 5705
LN2 = 6801
In reality this information is trend based as most LN2 information is based on the same CPU while most ambient cooling covers a larger CPU cross section.
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 22, 2021 14:07:53 GMT -5
Your s1151 is skewed. Most chilled water was listed as water custom because the chilled option was added later. Irrelevant, but just thought I'd mention it. Nice data as always Brad.  |
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Post by Aleslammer on May 22, 2021 14:13:07 GMT -5
The chilled water is problematic, my own 7700k was at 5.4 and a large portion of the S1366 are mine with a few being multi crippled just not a lot of info.
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 22, 2021 14:28:13 GMT -5
The chilled water is problematic, my own 7700k was at 5.4 and a large portion of the S1366 are mine with a few being multi crippled just not a lot of info. Lol. Mine also. |
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Post by Vinster on May 22, 2021 14:52:29 GMT -5
If you went with a quality 360rad AIO and proper case with no OC'ing I'm sure it would be fine. The product is out there and exists for a market.
If you have a proper airflow case then I'd think a Notua NH-D15.
Vin
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