Insulating the X570 Mobo

[MetalRacer]

Just insulated my X570 Crosshair VIII Dark Hero with LET and not being familiar with this socket I'm wondering if the open center section needs insulating?

Any advice would be appreciated.

[Bones]

Insulating the socket around the edges where the CPU meets the socket is important.
Also going around the very bottom of the socket itself to seal that up is too.

That's what I do with my setups, it eliminates any moisture getting in that could cause problems.
Since yours is an AMD style socket, the way I do my AM3+ setus would work. I will create a thin film/bead of dielectric around these edges for sealing and it works fine as my results have proven.

You can use dielectric grease to pack in the middle if you want and it won't hurt a thing, just be sure it's only in the middle where you are talking about.

One day I'll do a guide about such things with pics.... If I can get a camera (Old one died) that can take pics small enough to post here I'll do all that. 

[georgekokovinis]

May 9, 2021 20:28:57 GMT -5 Bones said:

Insulating the socket around the edges where the CPU meets the socket is important.
Also going around the very bottom of the socket itself to seal that up is too.

That's what I do with my setups, it eliminates any moisture getting in that could cause problems.
Since yours is an AMD style socket, the way I do my AM3+ setus would work. I will create a thin film/bead of dielectric around these edges for sealing and it works fine as my results have proven.

You can use dielectric grease to pack in the middle if you want and it won't hurt a thing, just be sure it's only in the middle where you are talking about.

One day I'll do a guide about such things with pics.... If I can get a camera (Old one died) that can take pics small enough to post here I'll do all
that. 

I follow exactly the same route. No issue ever.

[MetalRacer]

Thanks guys that's some great information!

Will roundup some dielectric and give it a go.

[georgekokovinis]

May 9, 2021 22:54:55 GMT -5 MetalRacer said:

Thanks guys that's some great information!

Will roundup some dielectric and give it a go.

Good luck man. Happy benching.

[zarok77]

personally only insulate it around the socket and rear, if can get to use a socket heater it would be great imo.



this picture was taken on my dark hero at end of oc session after removing paper towels. without heater probably would have to insulate the all board.


good luck

[george]

hmm, seeing a few of these subzero OC "installations" in where trying to avoid moisture to reach socket and components on the motherboard.

How about just flipping the motherboard upside down and letting whatever moisture to drip down on table/mount?

Of course would need a bit of suitable arrangement to have the board uplifted on some kind of stand, legs to board mount holes.

[Bones]

Good idea....
Except Ln2 doesn't pour upwards or stay in the pot that way.

If doing something along the lines of watercooling it might work but not in this case.

[georgekokovinis]

May 10, 2021 7:09:36 GMT -5 Bones said:

Good idea....
Except Ln2 doesn't pour upwards or stay in the pot that way.

If doing something along the lines of watercooling it might work but not in this case.

There was a company in US, quite a few years back, probably gone bankrupt, which produced a complex system with zero moisture chambers and controllers processed LN2 pouring
based on user data input.
No human hand touched the system during operation.
It could support cpu and 2 X Vga's cooling.
The cost of such a system was so high, that no professional bencher ( as far as I know ) ever touched it.
No insulation was needed on board or vga's.

I remember getting a quote. Including everything ( dewars also ), it was something like 15K plus an obsene cost of trasportation from US to Greece.

[george]

Except Ln2 doesn't pour upwards or stay in the pot that way.

The pot would be sealed on the top, and then "inject" the LN2 by the socket, side of LN2 pot. A side hole in the pot. But yeah likely ineffective.

[Bones]

May 9, 2021 23:19:19 GMT -5 zarok77 said:

personally only insulate it around the socket and rear, if can get to use a socket heater it would be great imo.



this picture was taken on my dark hero at end of oc session after removing paper towels. without heater probably would have to insulate the all board.


good luck

If you could get an Inferno heat plate working with it, you'll love it.

[georgekokovinis]

YES - YES - YES

And it is not expensive.

[MetalRacer]

I have a KPC Inferno for my setup.

[ShrimpBrime]

May 9, 2021 17:29:12 GMT -5 MetalRacer said:

Just insulated my X570 Crosshair VIII Dark Hero with LET and not being familiar with this socket I'm wondering if the open center section needs insulating?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Depends on the length of time you pour I think. 
Shorty runs 1 hour or less, probably minimal is ok. 

I do Permatex Ultra black on any exposed solder joints and full foam insulation around the Socket fully and even have walled off the memory and VRM package areas also. 
Generally I do this on boards I intend to use ONLY for extreme cold and longevity. I LN'ed and DICE'ed many processors on my old M3A32 MVP wifi deluxe board. 

Some runs longer than 2 hours, you can't stop the cold going through the PCB and traces finding it's way literally in every direction though. 

So ultimately, just seal it as you would an SS unit and go form there.

[Mr.Scott]

May 10, 2021 7:21:39 GMT -5 georgekokovinis said:

There was a company in US, quite a few years back, probably gone bankrupt, which produced a complex system with zero moisture chambers and controllers processed LN2 pouring
based on user data input.
No human hand touched the system during operation.
It could support cpu and 2 X Vga's cooling.
The cost of such a system was so high, that no professional bencher ( as far as I know ) ever touched it.
No insulation was needed on board or vga's.

I remember getting a quote. Including everything ( dewars also ), it was something like 15K plus an obsene cost of trasportation from US to Greece.

I remember this also. lnlcooling was the company. Cryo something or other is what they called it. Great idea, ridiculous price. Even Allan passed on it.
1 pro did demo it and use it for a while. Can't recall who right now, but it'll come to me. I know he's inactive now and has been for a while.
Then, if you go back in time a little further, there was Vince's (EVGA's) Roboclocker.

[georgekokovinis]

Yeap, that is the one.

[Mr.Scott]

Turn&Burn was the overclocker. Not a pro, just extreme. Looks like he deleted his whole HWB account.

[zarok77]

May 10, 2021 11:54:30 GMT -5 Bones said:

May 9, 2021 23:19:19 GMT -5 zarok77 said:

personally only insulate it around the socket and rear, if can get to use a socket heater it would be great imo.



this picture was taken on my dark hero at end of oc session after removing paper towels. without heater probably would have to insulate the all board.


good luck

If you could get an Inferno heat plate working with it, you'll love it.

Yep mate, that's the one i am using atm.

Upside-down would be great, what about the conditions at rear??

[Bones]

All I've ever done with mine is to setup the CPU to the board first, then the plate and pot.

I'll seal up the CPU to the socket, the socket itself and then mount up all the rest.

The underside of the board beneath the socket itself can have a light coat/film of dielectric in that area and that's all it needs.
However with the plate in use you probrably don't even need that as long as the plate is working.

If the RAM slots are really close to the pot and are at risk of icing over/getting water on them I just stuff those with the grease too and any other slots that may be at risk.
Doesn't matter if they will be used or not, that's what I do.

I also pay attention to the PSU power plugs, those I'll stuff with the dielectric grease too for the same reasons.

[MetalRacer]

Turns out my KPC Inferno and T-REX are early revisions and aren't compatible with Ryzen.

Was able to drill holes in the single stage mount plus had a heat pad I can use.

Thanks again for the tips guys!

[zarok77]

That's the way friend
It should help you against condensation

[Bones]

May 16, 2021 21:25:19 GMT -5 MetalRacer said:

Turns out my KPC Inferno and T-REX are early revisions and aren't compatible with Ryzen.

Was able to drill holes in the single stage mount plus had a heat pad I can use.

Thanks again for the tips guys!

My pot and plate are older versions too that's not AM4 compatable but there is a collar you can get for the pot at least.