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Post by Vinster on Dec 4, 2020 22:08:32 GMT -5
as the title states. I'm trying to install windows 7 on my x570 MB but I am not able to as every port is USB 3.0 and I do not have a PS/2 port on this MB.
so I was thinking, would installing a PCIe USB 2.0 adapter work? make sure it's a Plug and Play model?
I want to run some benches but can't run Win10 because they aren't Benchmate integrated.
Vin
Update: I can confirm that this PCIe to USB2.0 card ( www.startech.com/en-ca/cards-adapters/pexusb4dp) does work in Windows 7 on my x570 board (Asus Crossfire VIII Hero WIFI). I can also confirm that a KB/Mouse from this card do not work in the bios. So if installing windows on this system you would have to use the Onboard ports and once the windows installer starts you'd have to move the connections over
Once I have Win7 drivers that I can confirm work on this x570, I'll post up here as well.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 4, 2020 22:41:02 GMT -5
Maybe this is helpful??
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Post by Vinster on Dec 4, 2020 23:19:14 GMT -5
saw that, he relies on the PS/2 port on the MB or using a PCIe PS/2 adapter card as an untested alternate. I've looked for that card and I can't get one (not within 60 days anyway). My board does not have one PS/2 port. so I'm pooched in that department and can't use that alternative. all USB ports on my Crosshair VIII Hero are USB 3+.. none of them are 2.0. So I think a USB 2.0 PCIe card will work... I'm currently trying to do a fully unattended install USB drive and see if that works... Vin
USB1.0/1.1/2.0 cards are getting fewer and far between
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 5, 2020 1:03:52 GMT -5
all USB ports on my Crosshair VIII Hero are USB 3+.. none of them are 2.0.
Your USB 2.0 ports are located here sir.  |
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2020 2:14:43 GMT -5
I thought so as well.. but plugging in my mouse or KB there, once the Windows 7 installer starts. my KB or Mouse turn off and are dead to the world.
if it was really a USB 2.0, I should not have an issue... I have legacy USB enabled in the bios.. I can use the mouse and KB in the bios from these ports...
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Post by zila1 on Dec 5, 2020 4:48:57 GMT -5
Boy, this ain't gonna be easy. Maybe when bones pops in and sees this he'll have some input.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 5, 2020 5:39:33 GMT -5
It is very easy. I am on the phone typing now, but will get back to you in the next hour.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 5, 2020 6:50:40 GMT -5
OK.
Yes, a USB 2.0 PCI card will work.
Go to bios and enable USB legacy support.
Plug your mouse and keyboard in the USB card.
Install Win 7 or enter Win 7 if installed.
Now go to AMD website and download Win 7 chipset drivers.
Install the full package and reboot.
USB 3.1 controller will now appear in the device manager.
Plug your mouse and keyboard in any USB port now.
Done.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2020 10:57:24 GMT -5
Thank you George.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 5, 2020 13:18:28 GMT -5
OK. Yes, a USB 2.0 PCI card will work. Go to bios and enable USB legacy support. Plug your mouse and keyboard in the USB card. Install Win 7 or enter Win 7 if installed. Now go to AMD website and download Win 7 chipset drivers. Install the full package and reboot. USB 3.1 controller will now appear in the device manager. Plug your mouse and keyboard in any USB port now. Done. I had done none of this. Pete mentioned to inject the drivers into the Windows Installer. That was above my head. Legacy mode enabled my USB 3.0 ports, but during the install, had the same issue as Vin. So, I installed W7 on another system and hot swapped the drive. (Just the OS, no other drivers) Then the USB 3.0 ports worked with Legacy mode enabled, but there was also another setting that had to be enabled as well. It was USB keyboard and mouse simulator. On Maximus X Hero, so not sure if your's has the same options? |
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2020 13:38:45 GMT -5
I've spend a number of hours (about 7 yesterday) re-creating a windows installer with different drivers and regardless the USB ports are dead once the installer start. I've ordered the USB PCIe card linked above as a backup plan... should be here on Wednesday.
But I'm hard headed and still think there has to be a way... Using RUFUS with the (CTRL + ALT + F) to enable non-USB mode, I've copied the Win7 install to an SSD drive and are currently running the install though Asus EZ Install updater. This modifies the OS install and includes USB 3.0 and NVMe drivers in to the install...
I've done this a number of times and also used Gigabytes USB OS Installer tool and also setup an unattended install... Nothing... but again, the loading source was always a USB drive...
I'm trying to see if loading from a SATA drive works better.. will report soon.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 5, 2020 13:47:16 GMT -5
It's a total pain in the butt.  There's several ways Vin, you'll find one that works for you. I promise. If my dumb ass can figure it out, so will you  |
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2020 14:01:12 GMT -5
having a windows install oon an SSD is silly quick.. but still didn't work. I have the same issue.
I might grab a 970 chipset AMD and install Windows 7 and move the drive over. I have a few different boards and I think they all have USB 3.0, so that might be my next trick.
I've loaded optimized setting and trying a few other things before having to dig for some gear.
Vin
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 5, 2020 14:16:32 GMT -5
Guys, dont drive me crazy, lol.
I have done, the way i described, Win 7 installations on Apex IX, X, XI and Apex vi.
All you need is a cheapo PCI usb card.
15$.
Jon, yes, on Apex X both to enabled.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 5, 2020 14:20:02 GMT -5
For Intel boards keep the PCI card for USB to work.
For AMD install chipset package, reboot and you have USB function.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2020 15:16:34 GMT -5
Guys, dont drive me crazy, lol. Ya, I know George, but the card won't be here for 4-5 days. I'm just trying altrnatives
my board doesn't have PCI, only PCIe and my local vendors don't have one. so I had to order online.
Vin
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 5, 2020 15:48:47 GMT -5
TO ALL
Stand by for 12 hours. It is 11pm here.
I will write tomorrow a step by step guide both fot Intel and Amd on how to.
Wlth screenshots and HW needed.
From how we create a bootable thumb drive with usb drivers integraded and up to how to use mouse and keyboatd ( usb )
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2020 16:53:50 GMT -5
That would be awesome.
I've read a lot and tried about 4 different methods and none worked. So far the closest I got was a full unattended installation USB.. (like plug it in, and walk away until it's done) but I couldn't get the drive configuration right to just grab any empty disk, make a partition and install. It was zero touch until that point... and if I could had gotten it to work I'd had published it here to ease everyone else... My last attempt was getting Win7 installed on my 1090T (GA-790FXTA-UD5) with AHCI drivers. Loaded relive v17 drivers in that OS and setup a batch file to autorun the install on Windows Startup... But the X570 will not boot from that SSD. I get the error "Install bootable media and press a key to continue" I've then played with all the boot settings (one at a time) and CSM On, Off, Legacy, and nothing I do will made this thing boot from that SSD..
I knew it was going to be tricky, but man... wth.. you'd also slighty (and I mean like very, very slightly) think if the bot still had Win7 as the primary OS that they/someone in that community would have published an unattended install with a "Put your Windows 7 Key and username here in this XML file" to keep it legit...
Vin
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2020 17:01:38 GMT -5
ah, wait.. this made an MBR partition... I need to convert it to GPT... darnit.. ok.. I need to do the same with a not-so-old system that support UEFI... first I'll see if I can convert the partition
Vin
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 5, 2020 17:20:41 GMT -5
Vin,
I will write the guide, but I dont have an X570 board.
So, I do not know if this guide will help you.
But I hope it will help others.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2020 19:21:19 GMT -5
Vin, I will write the guide, but I dont have an X570 board. So, I do not know if this guide will help you. But I hope it will help others. once I have my PCIe USB2 card, I'll try your method and if it works, I'll report back. if I find a work-around, I'll report back.
I figured out how to get Win7 installed on a GPT partition. with CSM disabled I can now start the windows install I did on the other system. (loaded on a different PC and moved the disk over)
But now the windows startup is boot-looping.. I'm closer... But I'm not able to start in safe mode. F8 on an Asus board blows... lol
Vin
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2020 21:46:50 GMT -5
So I've gotten this far, I'm almost there, x570 will boot in to windows, but no USB drivers... but Windows will boot to the desktop!!!
how I got here...
- Destination Drive - put in my 24/7 Rig. in the Windows Disk Management I removed the volume, converted it to GPT (Right click on the left of the drive where it says "Online") and select Convert to GPT - then once converted I formatted it to NTFS - Then my Windows 7 install SSD that just had Windows 7 Pro SP1 (nothing special) I use that as my install source. - Then in my test system (Asus FM2 System with UEFI Bios, AHCI SATA selected at the Sata Type, CSM set to Other OS), I loaded the install and did it like I normally did. Move the OS SSD to the Ryzen System. - in that bios, CSM enabled, but OS set to "Other OS" My system boots to Windows. Still no USB, but this is the farthest I've gotten so far... --------------------- Things I've learned - UEFI Bios has to boot from a GPT Disk... MBR is too legacy - RUFUS USB Tools EFI format requires that the MB have CSM disabled.... on a X570, so far my experience is... this is a problem... if CSM is disabled you get the following issue. - - - If you use RUFUS USB tool to create your GPT partition for an OS drive. RUFUS does an odd thing on the 15MB partition and it goofs the "efi\boot\bootx64.efi' file... it will be there, but the MB won't be able to read it. their FAQ blames the HW, but... it seems only their utility has this issue... Stick with a Windows PC to make your GPT partition. CSM Needs to be enabled, and set to "Other OS" - - - Once you have a proper GPT partition, if CSM is off, Windows will hang on bootup, it will stop at the Windows 7 logo screen right when the 4 windows come together.. the problem will be a CLASSPNP.SYS.. this is a CSM issue... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now what I'm trying is. I have my install USB for Windows 7, I'm running it through Asus's EZ Installer with NVMe Fix... I'm going to re-do the install but use that Install drive to see how I fare.. if that has no luck, then I will try the one by Gigabyte... I'm so close, I can taste it. Vin |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 5, 2020 22:00:53 GMT -5
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2020 23:05:21 GMT -5
Thanks Jon, I'll give it a go.. it's hard to install drivers when the HW isn't present. so I have to write a batch file script. move the drive to the install PC, place, setup the startup move back and hope...
So far in doing that I have corrupted 1 of 2 OS's. The Asus EZ Installer did not work. and I've been at it too long today. time for a drink and a little gaming.
I have one system that boots to windows fine, just no IO. so I'm likely going to wait until that PCIe USB2 card comes in and then I'll play more with this.
I'll also try do to an install and test Georges method to confirm use on x570
I haven't been glued to a PC problem in years... I can already feel the eyes of hate beaming from the wife... lol 12hrs today... about 6-7 yesterday... lol... hey at least I'm at a stage where the progress is repeatable..
Vin
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Post by Vinster on Dec 8, 2020 13:13:59 GMT -5
So if I have time tonight I'm going to start looking at Win7 drivers to use on this x570 board. I'll try the x370/x470 drivers that I have found. but have little faith on those as the driver pre-load I did, didn't work... but hey maybe I screwed that up.
I updated the first post
Vin
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 8, 2020 13:34:09 GMT -5
My windows 7 ssd that worked flawlessly on bios 2402 with 3000 series cpus, denies to boot on bios 4001 with 5000 cpu with error - 0xA5
bios is not fully ACPI compliant.
I tried for hours nope.
A search unveiled that most vendors will not support win 7 with ryzen 5000.
Crazy, yes.
Why ? No clue.
HWBOT demands benchmate or win 7.
Benchmate works for a very limited number of benchmarks.
So, we are fucked - again.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 8, 2020 13:43:50 GMT -5
When do you get that error in the boot sequence? seems like it's not recognizing the drive... is CSM enabled? is the drive an MBR or GPT partition?
it is a Beta bios. maybe once it is out of Beta it will not be an issue. I don't have that issue with my x570.
as for the Win7, that's M$ driving that. the bot just need to pee or get off the pot and ban the cheaters once found.. I think they are scared that they will end up banning 80% of the flock...
Vin
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 8, 2020 13:54:14 GMT -5
Initially the ssd was mbr. Put it in another machine and converted to gpt. No.
Took a brand new ssd and my trusted usb drive with usb drivers.
The moment it starts, as soon as it says windows loading files, stop. Blue screen with the error.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 8, 2020 18:26:29 GMT -5
oh, that is odd.
Vin
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Post by Vinster on Dec 8, 2020 19:04:32 GMT -5
ok for Drivers, what are people using for X370/X470? Here is what I have. LAN - IntelProx64 (this worked): www.techspot.com/downloads/drivers/essentials/intel-network-adapter/AMD Drivers (This initially worked, 2 reboots later I had a boot hang, restore removed the driver, not the re-install hangs): www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/x470So now I'm looking for a reliable USB driver.. I had one where I had to enable Windows Test Mode to install and it initially worked, but now it's not...
I also think my OS may be crapped out now, getting odd hangs. So might try a fresh-reinstall now that I have my USB2 card.
We'll see
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