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Post by orl on Jun 18, 2020 22:20:01 GMT -5
Good day fellow hi-tech rednecks, nerds, dorks, and basement dwellers... which honestly I feel like all of those items right now listening to country music while playing a CRPG in my office, which is in my basement.. that also has beer.
Just wanted to hop in here and challenge you to download Pop_OS! from here (see below) and make a bootable thumb drive, then launch it on a laptop or desktop PC. You don't need to install it or partition anything just go check it out as a live OS from the boot. Mainly because I feel like the lonely Linux user on this forum! You wont regret it, come to the penguin... for science.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 18, 2020 22:28:07 GMT -5
I have used Ubuntu for a long time orl. It's my repair OS. When windows gets fucked up, I use a Linux distro to fix it  (totally serious, nvm the smiley) Just not an avid user. Don't know the ins and outs. It posts up, looks like windows xp/7 and works really well! But I will give the pop system a shot! |
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Post by orl on Jun 18, 2020 22:39:28 GMT -5
You wont regret it, this one should be relatively familiar to you, its basically built on Ubuntu but far better. Its pretty damned cool.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 18, 2020 22:49:53 GMT -5
You wont regret it, this one should be relatively familiar to you, its basically built on Ubuntu but far better. Its pretty damned cool. Right on. I'll definitely give it a shot! Got a thumbstick right here I can use! |
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Post by orl on Jun 18, 2020 22:53:20 GMT -5
Make sure to check out the tiling window manager while your in there, open some stuff up and play with it. Update commands are basically the same as Ubuntu, instead of using something like "apt-get update" you can just type "apt update" and similar change to other commands, the fluff -get has been removed.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 18, 2020 22:58:52 GMT -5
OK gotcha. Moving 16GB of files off the drive now. Try to get this done tonight so I can play with it tomorrow.  |
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Post by Vinster on Jun 18, 2020 23:42:47 GMT -5
LTT just did a build update about PopOS and the gaming factor of it... I almost converted my main rig just about a year ago but then the main game I was playing (Division 2) the easy anti cheat will install but won't sync with the server... so the game wouldn't run.. so with the latest updates I was planing on giving it another go...
I'll have to dig up the SSD's though... I had 4x 120GB Sata Drives for a RAID0 set aside.. I'll have to find them...
I've had a love/hate relationship with Linux... (I remember buying a Linux book in college with the install CD on the back cover)... and used to code... 20-25 years ago... but every now and then I get mad a M$ and then I go linux... then I can't get a simple thing to work and install M$'s next flavor and the thing I spend 1-2 weeks fighting just works.... then eventually M$ gets me mad again and the cycle continues.... I was mad last year and almost changed... but I spent too much for that game (at the time, I don't feel that way anymore after logging 750+ hrs in it since I got it)..
if I could just setup a linux OS and have everything just work... then I'm good for a few years... as that is my typical OS cycle... line the Win10 install I'm on right now was a recovery of a failed update that I patched back together from files from another PC... that was over 2 years ago... still haven't bothered to re-install.... just too many passwords to recover.. lol
Vin
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Post by orl on Jun 19, 2020 0:08:34 GMT -5
Vin, if you ever need help feel free to come to me. While I am not a pro at solving every problem, I am a pro at finding someone who has. I have yet to find a problem that couldn't be solved and generally pretty quick. My only exception to that is DRM-Anticheats, but this is about to change, Valve has gone on the offensive and begun demanding they support Linux. Denuvo already caved and started a linux department because of what happened with Doom. In the nature of competition, EAC and others will follow suite to keep Valve happy as they are a massive sales vehicle, and Valve is reworking the steam machine and proton to re-release again. Pair that with proton tricks and you can probably get 75% of all games for windows running at near 100%. Add AMDs new open source instructions and its literally 10% faster to game in Linux than Windows. If nVidia doesnt adapt to AMDs new instructions, this will be my last nVidia gpu used, it doesn't look like it right now, but AMD now holds all the cards software side... not because of their hardware, but because they embraced open source. The results have been unbelievable and the future is bright, this is why nVidia recently stated they are looking into open source platforms as well. Same reason nVidia was forced to support FreeSync.
Ive just accepted that some games may not work day one, but a solution will be found to run it later if it doesn't run day one. What I traded for that, was gaining security, stability, free software, and real and functional privacy with no advertisements. In a world where a speaker at the gas pump blares a commercial about adult diapers, then walk in to check out and have to watch a advertisement before checking out at a machine, while listening to the same on the overhead, then get in my car for 8 minutes straight of more advertising on the radio... I will take every advantage possible to reduce it.
Also, if you want to see what you can do with Linux... visit this reddit. Good luck getting windows to do this.... don't mind the name, its not dirty. www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/ |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 19, 2020 6:52:57 GMT -5
Ok got the usb all set OS installed. When I get home tonight, Ill pop this in and go for it.
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Post by Vinster on Jun 19, 2020 9:33:41 GMT -5
I need to learn how to navigate reddit... I find that it's a never-ending page of something, with branches that leave the original "thread" with no way back... I can't stand it and I get a head-ache trying to follow it... I miss forums and hate that they are dwindling... guess my age is showing...
as for Valve.. sure, they have a stake in it because of Steam OS and the likes... but uplay and epic don't have a stake in any of it (and Epic has spoken out against gaming on Linux), so it's up to the developers sole discretion.
For Division 2, Ubisoft has deliberately chosen to not accept Easy-Anti Cheat interaction for Division 2 on Linux... That's their choice... Easy Anti-Cheat has a linux install... nothing to hack/mod.. it's there... Ubisoft in this case is the problem.
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Post by orl on Jun 19, 2020 10:26:48 GMT -5
I need to learn how to navigate reddit... I find that it's a never-ending page of something, with branches that leave the original "thread" with no way back... I can't stand it and I get a head-ache trying to follow it... I miss forums and hate that they are dwindling... guess my age is showing...
as for Valve.. sure, they have a stake in it because of Steam OS and the likes... but uplay and epic don't have a stake in any of it (and Epic has spoken out against gaming on Linux), so it's up to the developers sole discretion.
For Division 2, Ubisoft has deliberately chosen to not accept Easy-Anti Cheat interaction for Division 2 on Linux... That's their choice... Easy Anti-Cheat has a linux install... nothing to hack/mod.. it's there... Ubisoft in this case is the problem.
Vin
The only reason Epic and other "store" pages have spoken out against Linux is for competition. Valve has it cornered with years of secret development that they did not forsee. They will advocate against it if only to try and damage Valve. Ubisoft is in the same boat, rather than embrace the open source, they are trying to fight against it for money. All of these will come around eventually, or be circumvented. Does't change the now, but the future is bright.
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Post by Bones on Jun 19, 2020 11:20:16 GMT -5
Orl; You're not the lonely Linux user here, I have Peppermint 10 going myself and it's really nice.
Been jumping between it and Win 7 for awhile now.
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Post by orl on Jun 19, 2020 11:56:10 GMT -5
Nice! I may start up a resource project over here at Warp 9 for anyone who is interested in Linux. Can list overclocking assist tools, gaming advice and tools, popular OS selections etc. Soon as time allows anyways.
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Post by Vinster on Jun 19, 2020 15:29:40 GMT -5
Nice! I may start up a resource project over here at Warp 9 for anyone who is interested in Linux. Can list overclocking assist tools, gaming advice and tools, popular OS selections etc. Soon as time allows anyways. I can easily add request to this..
1) how to get nVidia drivers to work correctly for gaming (or even folding) as this has not been nearly as easy that I've recently read (3 OS's) and I could never get an nVidia card to fold.. at all....
2) how to properly control a GPU fan speed with something similar to MSI Afterburner. I've tried to find an app for this. I did find one (i forget the name now) for ATI cards, but not nVidia.
am I living under a rock and missed a change? because I remember nVidia GPU's just working and ATI "working" but was sometimes problematic?... now seems to some odd that it has flipped....
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 19, 2020 20:39:49 GMT -5
Drivers? How are you even getting this to work at all??
OK I get logged in, it does some kind of blue screen "Opps something went wrong, logged out".
Can click log in, it does. Desktop comes up. I click anything, it logs back out and a black screen.
I'm using some older DS Pro thumbstick. Perhaps this is the issue??
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Post by Vinster on Jun 19, 2020 23:54:49 GMT -5
I have my stick ready. will be doing it late tomorrow to play around. I found a single 120GB SSD so I'll give it a go on that first and got from there. I'm testing on my 1700x, 16GB Ram, 120GB SSD with 1080Ti and 2080Super onboard.. so I grabbed the nVidia install. hope it works better for me.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 19, 2020 23:58:37 GMT -5
I have my stick ready. will be doing it late tomorrow to play around. I found a single 120GB SSD so I'll give it a go on that first and got from there. I'm testing on my 1700x, 16GB Ram, 120GB SSD with 1080Ti and 2080Super onboard.. so I grabbed the nVidia install. hope it works better for me. Vin Is that what I should have used Vin??? The NV install?? What if I had an AMD or ATI card? Or Intel onboard? And what is the difference between them?? (Sorry for all the question if they are to the wrong person. I'm really lost with Linux guys. I just know Ubuntu works np.) |
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Post by Vinster on Jun 20, 2020 0:03:32 GMT -5
Drivers? How are you even getting this to work at all?? OK I get logged in, it does some kind of blue screen "Opps something went wrong, logged out". Can click log in, it does. Desktop comes up. I click anything, it logs back out and a black screen. I'm using some older DS Pro thumbstick. Perhaps this is the issue?? in my past experience, everything usually "works" off the stick or on a fresh install. the fun is when you want to start pushing things is when you have to start getting in to the config.. like gaming, then you have to lookup the update command... that's like sudo apt-get update or something, that'll update the system (like a windows update) and then there is another command to force driver updates but those you have to do individually.. so for nvidia there is a command for that... for ATI there are 2 different commands as there are 2 possible ATI drivers, one for a generic optimized driver and another for an official driver... usually 1 of them works. I usually started with the generic and then the ATI driver if the generic failed or didn't do what I was hoping...
Printers are fun... [sarcasm]... I/O devices have always been my frustration. things that are generic and simple were a struggle or impossible to get working. So if I can keep things simple I'll be OK...
though, I do use a Steinberg CI1 external audio device.... Fuck... I'll look that up tomorrow....
the longest I've lived in a full linux eco-system was near a year... and a printer driver did me in...
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 20, 2020 11:12:27 GMT -5
Well Im not going nuts with this lol. Figured I try it out. Gotta move stuff to the bench today and tomorrow. I cleaned the bench off (mostly) last night.
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Post by Vinster on Jun 20, 2020 15:07:42 GMT -5
Not sure why but the OS won't load on my system. giving me a kernel error. I'll try a different OS (ubuntu) and see if that one does the same thing.
Vin
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jun 20, 2020 17:42:24 GMT -5
I tried it its just Ubuntu with a change of clothes.
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Post by orl on Jun 21, 2020 18:36:52 GMT -5
Sorry, was out for fathers day weekend with much fishing involved. Macs, your kinda right except its more focused on Devs and Gaming really. I quiet enjoy the OS, and they made a vast number of improvements over Ubuntu on the system management level from SSDs to Memory management. ShrimpBrime , it depends on what card you have. Really you can use any of the installers BUT, it your using a laptop with both an nVidia dGPU and an iGPU, I strongly recommend the nVidia version of the OS. It comes built with additional software to assist in offloading, software that you wont find by default in other distributions, and to top that off, it's even better than the Windows drivers. How did you make your bootable drive if you dont mind me asking, the issues your bringing up are very interesting to me and I've never heard of such. Any chance you can throw a picture over of what its doing and list your hardware?
Vinster , Let me know what your error stated.
I am wondering if there was some similarity between how you both tried to make this bootable ISO. I have never had issues with Pop_OS! or really any other Linux distro at the installation or live media levels. Seems really odd to me that you both had an issue. I personally use DD to make all of my live medias, but you would need a Linux running to do that.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 21, 2020 19:55:34 GMT -5
Orl, no hurries my friend thats what forums are about. I chck in once a day no matter what.
No Im attmepting on desktop hardware. Rtx 2060 8700k.
Was gonna try aquamark on it lol
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Post by Vinster on Jun 21, 2020 20:41:13 GMT -5
I used Rufus 3.11 to create a bootable USB from the ISO file.
Vin
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Post by orl on Jun 21, 2020 20:54:58 GMT -5
Ok, usually when I move from Windows to Linux on a machine and I have to create a media my tool of choice is UNetBootIn. Could you guys both try that for me? Shrimp, since your using an nVidia card as well, go ahead and try that ISO instead just in case its some weird driver issue. Also, love that you got a RTX2060, I adored mine when it came out, still using but waiting for the "killer" navi as its supposed to be for the ACO compiler.
Once you have both done this, before you boot into your OS there is one more thing to do, go into your CMOS and make sure secure boot is disabled, a while back an issue started popping up in live medias from secure boot, its quite possible this is the source of your woes.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 21, 2020 21:36:44 GMT -5
Ok, usually when I move from Windows to Linux on a machine and I have to create a media my tool of choice is UNetBootIn. Could you guys both try that for me? Shrimp, since your using an nVidia card as well, go ahead and try that ISO instead just in case its some weird driver issue. Also, love that you got a RTX2060, I adored mine when it came out, still using but waiting for the "killer" navi as its supposed to be for the ACO compiler. Once you have both done this, before you boot into your OS there is one more thing to do, go into your CMOS and make sure secure boot is disabled, a while back an issue started popping up in live medias from secure boot, its quite possible this is the source of your woes. It's mine, but I didn't really earn it for say. A really dear friend of mine gave it to me. A guy I may never get to speak with again. I can only give props where deserved. I only will earn points for our F@H team and our HWB@TEAM for honor and loyalty to my friends.
Right well I might not try this Operating system for now. I'd rather spend the time on the bench, get some stuff subbed in before the team comp and then off to benching that. Will come back to this for sure. I'm very interested. But want to spend my time on the hardware for a bit. I have some team points to make
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Post by orl on Jun 21, 2020 21:39:39 GMT -5
Well, do your thing my friend. I mainly game, so for me this OS is pure gold while dodging winblows. I know a lot of you bench so that will be tough moving from windows. As these new compilers etc start moving out, things might change. I forsee a linux benching future |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 21, 2020 23:46:01 GMT -5
Well, do your thing my friend. I mainly game, so for me this OS is pure gold while dodging winblows. I know a lot of you bench so that will be tough moving from windows. As these new compilers etc start moving out, things might change. I forsee a linux benching future I'm DLing 3Dmark03..... as I type this.
Well yea, we are kinda in a benching team forums Nothing wrong with trying something new. I'll devote some time to this on the side for sure. I've got some boxing and unboxing to do yet. Get my kid to clean his mess too. (He's into fire alarm systems as a hobby) We have a pretty trashy work station. I'll be looking for a couple of fold up tables soon I think. Once I get something like that going, again.... I can have a nice little emulator rig setup that I can use some Linux distros with. That'd be cool. I'm set up now, so I'll try an older system with an AMD or ATI card see if that works better maybe.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jun 22, 2020 1:33:51 GMT -5
It wouldnt boot on my UEFI laptop so I booted it on my Retro IBM Aptiva I5 Lynfield Gig H55 motherboard.
If ya's are using late model Asus boards In the Bios Boot Menu \ CSM Comatibilty set it to legacy oprom. that should fix your problem.
Also I just used the recommended USB creator on the POP website it was simple and easy to use.
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Post by orl on Jun 22, 2020 8:53:02 GMT -5
It wouldnt boot on my UEFI laptop so I booted it on my Retro IBM Aptiva I5 Lynfield Gig H55 motherboard. If ya's are using late model Asus boards In the Bios Boot Menu \ CSM Comatibilty set it to legacy oprom. that should fix your problem. Also I just used the recommended USB creator on the POP website it was simple and easy to use. Its almost always secure boot that causes issues with UEFI and Linux. Most distros mention it on the installation page. I need to look into why this causes issues but its very common. |
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