Video Card PPD Information

[Aleslammer]

Reserved 

[Aleslammer]

I think information available is generally based on the results of the best WU so figured something that shows and average would be a better representation. Although six months from now probably have totally different results.

Reserved first post slot in case we end up with enough information to tabulate, then again maybe someone knows of a sight already doing something similar.

2xGigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 Gaming OC

W10, Z270 platform, client as loaded, passkey on. cards stock other than the fans kicked up to 70% and working in the cool of the garage.
Average WU = 123,650
Average PPD = 1,445,154 (Single Card)

Information based on eight days 2/4 – 2/11/2020

Results a little better than the information available on OCN

[Vinster]

right now OCN is the best we have, the issue there is the input isn't working, they've been working on it for some time but still no change. so that means the results are based on 1-2 score average. now to make things worst, they've release Core22 so harder work is now coming to everyone. My r9-290x was failing some of them and then stalling. so that made my results a bit of a variable.

I just added a new card to my mix, so I'll wait a week before I push anything up.

Vin

[ShrimpBrime]

Feb 12, 2020 21:35:01 GMT -5 Vinster said:

right now OCN is the best we have, 
Vin

Ah but a lot on that list is old.

For example, an older card from a DDR3 platform would inherently bring better PPD on a newer DDR4 platform.

So a newer revised list of our own would be the cat's ass.
 

[Vinster]

Then we should better understand how they built their list. I think if you clicked on their add entry that part still works, it just doesn't enter the data.

I'm not suggesting we rip it off, but give an idea what/how they are going it.

off the top of my head, I'd think

- GPU
- Core #
- Project #
- Estimated PPD
- Estimated Credit
- Passkey enabled Yes/No
- Operating System

Vin

[Vinster]

Feb 12, 2020 22:11:32 GMT -5 ShrimpBrime said:

Feb 12, 2020 21:35:01 GMT -5 Vinster said:

right now OCN is the best we have, 
Vin

For example, an older card from a DDR3 platform would inherently bring better PPD on a newer DDR4 platform.

 

and I don't think this is the case though, F@H is like mining. cheap out on the CPU/MB, add as many GPU's as you can and GO...

I'd expect the impact to be very small, if at all. If it did, then we could add a field to that regard.

Vin

[dr4g00n]

Feb 12, 2020 23:49:25 GMT -5 Vinster said:

Feb 12, 2020 22:11:32 GMT -5 ShrimpBrime said:

For example, an older card from a DDR3 platform would inherently bring better PPD on a newer DDR4 platform.

 

and I don't think this is the case though, F@H is like mining. cheap out on the CPU/MB, add as many GPU's as you can and GO...

I'd expect the impact to be very small, if at all. If it did, then we could add a field to that regard.

Vin

It's a bit like that but as a general rule you want at least one reasonably quick cpu core per gpu.

Wish I could help contribute more but all I have are 780 Ti's and a 290X which suck way too much power for the PPD they can do so I stopped. Could run my 1050 since it just sips power but I'm not sure it's worth it because it produces fairly low PPD.

[Aleslammer]

I'm more interested in the actual daily production of a card than a single WU. WU information is valuable but the information is predicted and as you are unable to only choose a certain WU family in its self is not actually a true indicator of daily production. As an example I have two 1080 Ti's running which recently have been staying around 2m average for the day which is a bit below what is listed at OCN, I have had individual WU predictions near the information shown but in the end the cards ain't doing it. I also understand there are more than a few variables at play here but six months from now what was a 1.4m card could easily be a 1.2m card depending on the biggest variable, what WU's are available.

Vin, I've had two core22 WUs fail to start, one each Nvidia / AMD, started after a reboot.

[Vinster]

Feb 13, 2020 10:47:27 GMT -5 Aleslammer said:

I'm more interested in the actual daily production of a card than a single WU. WU information is valuable but the information is predicted and as you are unable to only choose a certain WU family in its self is not actually a true indicator of daily production. As an example I have two 1080 Ti's running which recently have been staying around 2m average for the day which is a bit below what is listed at OCN, I have had individual WU predictions near the information shown but in the end the cards ain't doing it. I also understand there are more than a few variables at play here but six months from now what was a 1.4m card could easily be a 1.2m card depending on the biggest variable, what WU's are available.

Vin, I've had two core22 WUs fail to start, one each Nvidia / AMD, started after a reboot.

The reason for noting the WU and their values is the ability to see which ones are providing a low score, with more metrics you can filter down to specifics, by OS, Core, WU. Or look from far and look at the overall average. That is was the OCN gives you on those GPU PPD charts, it's the average of the counts entered, but if you only have 1 sub for a GPU, it's pretty limiting data, you are at the mercy of the person that entered it.

I can start a google doc (Free is you have a gmail account) that can be shared (semi-openly) and we have people enter in some metrics if you want. that would be easy enough.

would just need people's gmail address and I can start a doc, share it here and per use provide Rear/Write access...

I'd propose 2 docs, one for the official W9 display to the public, and a second secret one that only W9 members can update and we can share the work of moving the data over once whom-ever has validated the entry to be correct. it would have to be slightly moderated, hell I don't even trust myself sometimes...

What say you? and the others on the team... I'm on board

Vin

EDIT: and I really do want other people to be in on the editing and updating the public doc, this needs to be a shared task. I don't mind hosting it, but I'm too deep in RL stuff to be the sole owner for maintenance.

[Vinster]

Here is a quick sample of a document, I've made this open to anyone for the time being.

Here is a link to the folder; drive.google.com/open?id=1c2he9tpvhUdCbm7QKW5JCojkl5PalTU9

Here is a link to the actual Sheets; docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PHY68W9DTv_y7qMjIEHIFzd4f0ICasQC5mk7PNjOr0Y/edit?usp=sharing

Here is a test to embedding the sheets in this post;

Vin

[Vinster]

if you open the doc from the second link, you can then sort the columns.

it's open so anyone for now can change the look, Ales, hope you don't mind but I'd like to call this your baby. you can go ahead and edit the table as you see fit (If you don't have sheets, let me know and tell me how you want it and i'll do my best to get it that way. If you can edit but have issues with formatting, let me know and I'll help sort them out.

One thing I did quick, for instance, if you enter AMD in that first column, it will make that cell red as you see there. I didn't see the need to make it green if someone entered nvidia because then it gets messy because it is case sensitive...

if you enter 'amd' in lower case then it won't make it red because my expected syntax was "AMD".

If this works out and we have team ownership and good collaboration with this, then I'll figure out how to sort the embedded table without accessing the doc. Then we can figure out data entry for the masses.

Vin

EDIT: I'm excited... shit like this gives me a little wood.

EDIT2: Crap, now that I know I can do this embedding shit, next time I update the team HW list.. you know damn well what I'm going...

[Aleslammer]

I've no problem helping out more than enough time on my hands.

I took a SS of about the best predicted results I've seen on the setup I posted, way beyond what I'm actually getting. Do like these WUs.

Added: Do think PRCG or Project should be added

[Vinster]

ya, I had it in my break out, but missed it when I made the table.

It'll be there in a min

and looking at it, it's pretty much double what you should be getting... the PPD for that one card is like the PPD of both cards really

Vin

[ShrimpBrime]

Ran 2 cards, one on AMD ryzen 2700x vs Intel 8700K, the 8700K ran a higher PPD, put both cards in the Intel rig.

Still tweaking clocks vs temps as the first card runs about 10c hotter on average due to lack of air flow, a fan at the back of the cards is helping.

Reduced Power limit and clocks 100mhz on the first slotted card to keep it around 60c stable to match the second card's temp at stock frequency setup.

--

Brad, what's a good temp I should hold these cards at? Is 70c a little hot? (I feel 70c is too hot)

[Vinster]

I've been aiming for 50 degrees, 60 as a max..

1x 1080Ti
1x r9-290x
1x 2080 Super
1x 2060

Vin

[ShrimpBrime]

Tell me more about the 1x 2060. Is this piggy backed with other cards or is in it's own rig?

[Vinster]

Feb 13, 2020 17:06:05 GMT -5 ShrimpBrime said:

Tell me more about the 1x 2060. Is this piggy backed with other cards or is in it's own rig?

I retired the r9-290x as the Core22 stuff kept making it fail. I have a dedicated rig in the garage and it's running the RTX 2080Super and the RTX 2060. Both GPU's are not mine. They were donated for the cause of Folding, so they do so 100% 24/7 in the garage right now.

Then in my main rig while I'm home I fold my GTX 1080Ti.

Here is a screenie of the rig, I have VNC Setup so I can see the PC.

I just got the 2060 yesterday so I'm trying to dial in the temps, and since adding the 2060 in there, the 2080's usage went from 85% to this mid 60% that you see in the screenshot.

I've also setup remote Client on my Main Client to monitor the other rig.

Vin

[ShrimpBrime]

Why is your Estimated PPD so low? Curious is that just for the WU or the day?

My MSI AB overlaps yours in my SS.

[Vinster]

What is your GPU usage?

Vin

[ShrimpBrime]

Both Gpus report 95/96% core usage.

[Aleslammer]

Shrimp, have a larger estimated PPD spread between the sane project WUs running on the same setup so looks WU related.

2xGigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT Gaming OC

W10 64, X399 platform, cards stock, advanced flag set, passkey on, running in the house.



Did pick up a pair of core21 WUs when I first set it up PPD for both was a little better than one card, why the advanced flag was set. After a windows update a few weeks ago I've been unable to fold on the CPU and haven't taken the time to figure it out. Would of only bought one as AMD dropped driver crossfire support but didn't readup before purchase.

[Vinster]

Feb 14, 2020 7:59:28 GMT -5 ShrimpBrime said:

Both Gpus report 95/96% core usage.

Nice, I need to check to see if that is still the case. I wanted to let the system run a few days before I messed with it to see what the output was.

Vin

[ShrimpBrime]

I'm not doing anything special over here Vinny.

I loaded up a fresh W10 install and off we go!

However, I'm stuck in some kind of "test mode" I'm not sure if this makes some kind of difference.

[dr4g00n]

Added my 1050 to the list, PPD for project 11737 is about 2/3rds of my 780 Ti while using nearly a quarter of the power. Slow but very good PPD/Watt.

[Vinster]

Hey Guys, my son helped me setup a google form. it's an easy way to enter the data

Here is a link to the form; forms.gle/rBbEbvaBix2iuT8n8

Here is what the DB looks like filled out. it adds the timestamp for us. I made all entries required except for the username.

I also added a TPF because there is a way to cross check the estimated ppd and I might see if I can incorporate that in the forms backround.

Let me know what you think, I'll manually add the older entries to add to this list.

Vin

EDIT: Next I'll start working on an output sheet that will average by certain sort parameters

[ShrimpBrime]

OK been folding all day and my WUs are not getting submitted.

What do I do about it?

[Vinster]

Feb 15, 2020 22:20:03 GMT -5 ShrimpBrime said:

OK been folding all day and my WUs are not getting submitted.

What do I do about it?

Like they are sitting on F@H and just show completed and "Ready"?

only times I've had that is when there is an internet connection issue.

Vin

[ShrimpBrime]

No, looks like it's been folding away like normal.

Work Units where cooking and different from earlier today.
WE've been gone all day, well some 4 or 5 hours at least. Home now, it's all going smoothly on my end seemingly.
All the GPU clocks are the same, doesn't look like there was a driver crash and recovery or anything.
I'm going to pause and restart the system. Maybe that'll do the trick.

I am overclocked the Memory to 4000mhz CL 19-19-19. I tested it stable for quite a while before continued folding(Yesterday evening), but I should have a few WU in within the last 6 hours I'd think for sure.

[Vinster]

Feb 15, 2020 23:05:27 GMT -5 ShrimpBrime said:

No, looks like it's been folding away like normal.

Work Units where cooking and different from earlier today.
WE've been gone all day, well some 4 or 5 hours at least. Home now, it's all going smoothly on my end seemingly.
All the GPU clocks are the same, doesn't look like there was a driver crash and recovery or anything.
I'm going to pause and restart the system. Maybe that'll do the trick.

I am overclocked the Memory to 4000mhz CL 19-19-19. I tested it stable for quite a while before continued folding(Yesterday evening), but I should have a few WU in within the last 6 hours I'd think for sure.

looks like there was a F@H server issues. if you go look at everyone profile, there are no entries for the last 2-3 installments.

it's not you, it's them

Vin

[ShrimpBrime]

Oh thanks. Didn't even think to check the site.