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Post by sburnolo on Apr 13, 2018 15:52:44 GMT -5
Hello, I bought this new card today. I thought the pci were all compatible instead this works on fm1-fm2 but not on s370 and s754. I suppose it's because of the 64-bit bus. Is there a way to make it work in the 32 bit slot? I think I made a wrong purchase Thanks.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Apr 13, 2018 17:09:16 GMT -5
I have got a PCI MX400 thats like that its a new card and wont work in older boards. I bought it because I thought I had lost my original to which I found later. I have never really looked into trying to actually getting it working in the older boards.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Apr 13, 2018 17:11:01 GMT -5
The 64 bit bus is the problem. The newer boards have universal slots that support both 32 bit and 64 bit along with both 3.3v and 5v support. The older boards do not support 64 bit. That's almost PCI-X. You won't find many boards outside of server boards that support it. I'm thinking that card came out of a server based on what it is and the time period.
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Post by sburnolo on Apr 13, 2018 18:11:42 GMT -5
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Post by Mr.Scott on Apr 13, 2018 18:15:13 GMT -5
I understand you perfectly.
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Post by antinomy on Apr 13, 2018 20:05:11 GMT -5
This card is not 64-bit, it's usual 32-bit. 64 bit is wider than a regular PCI. This should make you more comfortable with standards: hsi.web.cern.ch/hsi/s-link/devices/s32pci64/slottypes.htmlYour card just is "universal PCI" - got both 3.3V and 5V keys. As a rule of thumb - new cards fit in old PCI slots but require 3.3V. But old systems (all socket 7, maybe some 370/Slot1) don't have 3.3V in PCI (a voltmeter will help you check this). Maybe it's your case. 754 definitely should work, have you checked VGA priority in BIOS? I mean PCI/PCI-E. Not your case just extra info - PCI64 and PCI-X are compatible both ways with one exception. IIRC, it's the 5V only PCI64 standard. They are not compatible with PCI-X in any way. They were used only in dual socket A server boards, not a common thing to come along. And some boards had both 3.3V and 5V PCI64 slots. Keep in mind in you come playing with PCI64 in dual sA or just PM me so I get myself a RAM refresh
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Post by ozz on Apr 13, 2018 20:13:40 GMT -5
great link ants....bookmarked , how the hell you remember all this stuff has got me beat, would never have thought or known how to tell the difference with the slot key facing in opposite ends for 3.3 and 5 v and the 64 bit slots are longer poss to sticky this somewere ??
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Post by antinomy on Apr 13, 2018 20:49:29 GMT -5
Well, I just tag info and then google it the link above I just googled, it's common stuff, no need to remember. Usual PCI is 32-bit, 64-bit one needs to be longer. A wider bus uses more electrical contacs thus making it bigger. It's pretty obvious when you look at PCI-E lanes. The ATI Rage above has common width hence 32 bit. But two keys and the meaning can be found by Google as I said. Oh, and lack of 3.3V in old boards is not a verdict. So no need to remember everything, just read much and remember how to get it again.
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Post by ozz on Apr 13, 2018 21:06:01 GMT -5
Well, I just tag info and then google it the link above I just googled, it's common stuff, no need to remember. Usual PCI is 32-bit, 64-bit one needs to be longer. A wider bus uses more electrical contacs thus making it bigger. It's pretty obvious when you look at PCI-E lanes. The ATI Rage above has common width hence 32 bit. But two keys and the meaning can be found by Google as I said. Oh, and lack of 3.3V in old boards is not a verdict. So no need to remember everything, just read much and remember how to get it again. yep ok i get that ants but knowing what and how to google for it in terminology is the trick, especially if youre like me and dont understand how it works is the hard part lol, especially when you didnt even know about it in the first place is what im meaning ants, im pretty much a newby at all this type of understanding, i didnt even know the smaller slot on the main slot was called a key, anyway, whatever it is and how it works gives me a whole new way to look at it for the future so thx ants
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Post by antinomy on Apr 13, 2018 22:17:59 GMT -5
Just ask, you're always welcome, ozz. It's not the smaller part that's called the key, it's the notch between them. In such things (cards, memory) the key is what makes it fool-proof so you don't put it in the wrong way. Oh yes, it works only if the fool isn't strong and stubborn I've heard of fool-proof fail cases.
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Post by ozz on Apr 14, 2018 4:09:48 GMT -5
Just ask, you're always welcome, ozz. It's not the smaller part that's called the key, it's the notch between them. In such things (cards, memory) the key is what makes it fool-proof so you don't put it in the wrong way. Oh yes, it works only if the fool isn't strong and stubborn I've heard of fool-proof fail cases will do ants, im a sucker for learning stuff i just dont know about , thx, oh, , i dont think theres anything ever thats fool proof, i reckon ive proved that a few times
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Post by sburnolo on Apr 14, 2018 5:53:31 GMT -5
This card is not 64-bit, it's usual 32-bit. 64 bit is wider than a regular PCI. This should make you more comfortable with standards: hsi.web.cern.ch/hsi/s-link/devices/s32pci64/slottypes.htmlYour card just is "universal PCI" - got both 3.3V and 5V keys. As a rule of thumb - new cards fit in old PCI slots but require 3.3V. But old systems (all socket 7, maybe some 370/Slot1) don't have 3.3V in PCI (a voltmeter will help you check this). Maybe it's your case. 754 definitely should work, have you checked VGA priority in BIOS? I mean PCI/PCI-E. Not your case just extra info - PCI64 and PCI-X are compatible both ways with one exception. IIRC, it's the 5V only PCI64 standard. They are not compatible with PCI-X in any way. They were used only in dual socket A server boards, not a common thing to come along. And some boards had both 3.3V and 5V PCI64 slots. Keep in mind in you come playing with PCI64 in dual sA or just PM me so I get myself a RAM refresh Yes, thanks, I also did google searches and in theory for me the card should go. The card is this hwbot.org/submission/3008248_aleslammer_3dmark2001_se_rage_128_pro_(pci)_720_marks ,is the memory bus that is 64 bit but this should not affect right? I tried to put pci priority from bios but the screen remains black. Anyway my old 3d rage pro works regularly. It's the fact that the slots are the same that deceives me. I should check with the voltmeter, then I'm going to read the connector pinout. Looking at this image would seem to be universal as a voltage.
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Post by antinomy on Apr 14, 2018 6:24:08 GMT -5
As you said, the memory bus doesn't matter. The old 2900XT has a 512bit, imagine that hitting any system board And yes, sometimes they just don't work together. It happens rare enough in the real world but with our obscure hardware, more likely. Some memory won't work on some boards, some VGAs. Sometimes a BIOS update helps, sometimes it's a chipset vs. GPU family issue, sometimes it's two certain models won't work together. Incompatible. I've just tried three AGP cards with HSI in an old MoBo, only one worked. Maybe others are dead (haven't checked them ever). maybe it's like your case. Although, all three cards are similar models. Find yourself a testbed GPU which will work in any system. I use Asus 3DExplorer 2000 (Riva 128) PCI, works everywhere. Also a passive noname GF4 MX440SE AGP, works everywhere too.
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Post by sburnolo on Apr 14, 2018 8:06:12 GMT -5
You're right.I often use the pci because on certain occasions allows me to get more bus even with the MB that have the fix on the agp.The reason is unknown to me. Some mb are crazy.
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Post by Vinster on Apr 14, 2018 8:40:31 GMT -5
Sorry again my bad English but in the chat I find it hard to make me understand even in Italian but your english is better than my Italian, as I don't speak any Italian. You don't need to keep apologizing Vin
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Post by sburnolo on Apr 16, 2018 18:10:46 GMT -5
Tested now on slot A and it works.
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