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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 10, 2017 23:56:01 GMT -5
Looking for Headers for my El Camino. The ones on it are rotted away. I don't need floating valves. Right now I have them wrapped, but it's not going to hold up too long.
Can I find some cheap headers with a 3" shorty and collector 3" to 2 1/2" output cheap or cheap enough somewhere? Not looking to spend 500$
Seen some on E-bay for sub 100$ but don't look like they will match the L98s.
Help from some old hot rodders is needed!
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 11, 2017 17:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 11, 2017 20:02:22 GMT -5
Floor shifter is standard in mine along with bucket seats. I imagine this doesn't make a difference?
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Post by ozz on Sept 11, 2017 20:06:24 GMT -5
theyre shorties, so the original exhausts you have would just bolt up to em, wont interfere coz your original exhausts havent i would think , maybe you might need an extension to suit if your originals are longer
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 12, 2017 0:52:03 GMT -5
The ones on it are shorties. But some heads have the exhaust ports in different spots. So to be sure I don't buy the wrong headers and have to do the return and repurchase, I thought I'd ask here first. Heads for 305 cui are a little different than heads on a 350 cui but some of them can be swapped from 305 to 350.
After talking to a guy I met at a speed shop, I found out without needing the serial number I have a 350, 2 reasons, one is L98 heads, the valves would interfere with the piston on 305 block causing some major disaster on first start up. The second reason is because he gave the block a reach around to feel the length of the cylinder wall. Now That is a guy that knows engines lol.
Need a left rear wheel seal too. Have a few other minor mechanic things. Needs a trans pan gasket. It leaves small spots occasionally. All the rubber needs to be replaced soon to. Radiator hoses and vacuum lines in-particular.
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Post by ozz on Sept 12, 2017 3:37:29 GMT -5
lol yeah righto, good luck with it then !!!
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 12, 2017 15:26:13 GMT -5
Floor shifter is standard in mine along with bucket seats. I imagine this doesn't make a difference? Nope. Makes no difference. |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 13, 2017 0:55:10 GMT -5
Didn't think so. Thanks Scott.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 19, 2017 0:43:49 GMT -5
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Post by Vinster on Sept 19, 2017 10:12:33 GMT -5
headers from Walmart? what else can you get from there in the US? DICE/LN2/Booze... what else....
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 19, 2017 13:24:08 GMT -5
Dunno bout ln2 but I can get Dice from there. Those are valve covers from Wal-Mart, not the headers. But pretty sure the have vender you can get them from their site.
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Post by Vinster on Sept 19, 2017 13:38:30 GMT -5
Dunno bout ln2 but I can get Dice from there. Those are valve covers from Wal-Mart, not the headers. But pretty sure the have vender you can get them from their site. Doh!!! , I read you're post too quick and read (found on Walmarts Site) I didn't see the photo until I looked at you're post again. lol I've heard of some yanks in area's apparently being able to get Ln2 at Walmart, that blows my mind.... seems like out there isn't anything they don't sell and out here in Canuck land it's the opposite and spotty. Vin |
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Post by Shadyreaper on Sept 19, 2017 14:21:54 GMT -5
my suggestion is summit racing they should have them if not your a welder arent ya just buy ya a kit and make your own lol
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 19, 2017 20:20:13 GMT -5
I already ordered headers. Same as Scott linked but stainless steel. The ones he posted are cheap because you have to strip the paint and use high temp paint. They are coated for shipping and shelving purposes only.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Sept 19, 2017 20:28:53 GMT -5
yea man I had issues buying headers for one of my mustangs I bought long tube headers and they only fit on manual trans I had a auto at the time LOL I ended up with some really nice shorty equal lengths so my aftermarket H pipe with no cats would still work way better idea then the long tubes those ones I had to weld and they wrapped around the steering shaft and I didnt like that
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 20, 2017 0:44:57 GMT -5
I love the Ford H pipes. My Lincoln Town car had dual exhaust with the H pipe. I put a set of 2" Glass Packs on her and it sounded really clean.
The El Camino has some cheapy high flow X brand mufflers. They sound crisp but a little on the quiet side. Thinking of trying glass packs on this one just to see how it sounds.
Dang car is fast though, let me tell ya. It's so light at only 3200 lbs, it smokes almost everything. Doesn't matter how much HP these guys have out there either. 4:10 behind a TH350 is no joke. To be honest, If I where to spend the money (which I don't have enough of...), I'd drop in a 700R4 and call it a day.
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Post by Bones on Sept 20, 2017 1:37:44 GMT -5
That TH350 is plenty good, I don't know about the later 700R4's but the one's I'm familiar with didn't hold up as well as a TH350 would.
You're making me miss my old 87 S10 Sport Shrimpy, 350CID with a TH350, 4:11's, headers, the works if you will right down to the factory bucket seats and console. Would run with about anything it ever ran across short of something close to being or not street legal at all.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Sept 20, 2017 7:36:13 GMT -5
I love the Ford H pipes. My Lincoln Town car had dual exhaust with the H pipe. I put a set of 2" Glass Packs on her and it sounded really clean. The El Camino has some cheapy high flow X brand mufflers. They sound crisp but a little on the quiet side. Thinking of trying glass packs on this one just to see how it sounds. Dang car is fast though, let me tell ya. It's so light at only 3200 lbs, it smokes almost everything. Doesn't matter how much HP these guys have out there either. 4:10 behind a TH350 is no joke. To be honest, If I where to spend the money (which I don't have enough of...), I'd drop in a 700R4 and call it a day. ok the TH350 you have is way better then the 700R4 with the R4 you will need to have it built they dont like power that much without have some of the guts changed out the best thing you could do is drop the gearing from 4.10 to 3.73 that would help it from melting the tires off lol but I suggest a 700R4 that has been built dont just get a stock one it wont last |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 21, 2017 1:57:44 GMT -5
Can have the 700r4 bullet proofed. The issue is the money to do it.
I don't go on the rollaway much so I don't need a 700r4.
Won't make it better on fuel any how. Its about 7 miles to the gallon as it is lol.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Sept 21, 2017 7:34:29 GMT -5
Can have the 700r4 bullet proofed. The issue is the money to do it. I don't go on the rollaway much so I don't need a 700r4. Won't make it better on fuel any how. Its about 7 miles to the gallon as it is lol. actually a 700R4 has 4th gear not 3 like a TH350 so yea you would save a little on gas LOL but yea they aint cheap not one bit to have a 700R4 done right |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 21, 2017 13:36:14 GMT -5
It would be ok while its built to manage up and torque over 400. My motor isn't that built. The 4:10 rear end is what makes it fast. Gen 1 350 and similar engines where cam'ed for torque over horse power. A stock 350 from those times early 80s 70s and so forth where 150hp. Even my 425cui in the Caddi was only 190hp but had lots of torque.
Thats where the 2.0 with turbo just doesn't have the guts. Can't move weight without torque at low rpm. Waiting for spool ups.... No replacement for displacement. 500cui and bigger turn in access of 500 foot lbs of torque.
Thats why you see some guys use a "camper cam". 454 with big torque low up and steep rear end was the way to go.
Now everyone just LS everything while I prefer to stay retro and still give 5.3L engines a run for the money.
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Post by zila1 on Sept 21, 2017 16:09:50 GMT -5
I had a 700R4 in my '88 IROC Camaro. I scattered that sucker. I had a blue printed 700R4 put in. $3200 is what that sucker cost me. That was back in 1989. TH350 is one hell of a good tranny. Also one of my all time favorites was the THM400. Had that in a '72 Pontiac Catalina mated to a 400C.I. engine. What a freakin' screamer that car was. Real nice firm shifts. The IROC Camaro would lay a patch a block long and that blue printed trans never even got warm. I miss that little third generation Camaro. I envy you, that little El Camino is a blast.  |
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 21, 2017 16:23:31 GMT -5
Powerglide was the best trans ever made. Indestructible and only 1 shift.
TH350 is faster than the TH400.
700R4 is junk, even if you build one. It will always be the weak link. Heat is what kills them....and the lockup converter.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Sept 21, 2017 17:21:50 GMT -5
Powerglide was the best trans ever made. Indestructible and only 1 shift. TH350 is faster than the TH400. 700R4 is junk, even if you build one. It will always be the weak link. Heat is what kills them....and the lockup converter. I was thinking of the extra gear for him with the 700R4 I have also seen them take a TH400 and put a 4th gear in them its a little more then a 700R4 but well worth it |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 21, 2017 22:42:49 GMT -5
700R4 isn't junk. My old mans back in the day k5 did wheelies hah! Back the bullet proofed was 1500$ on the bench.
TH350 is fine. Won't be swapping the trans it was just for the conversation.
Powerglide 2 speed.... Would love to have one but finding it at decent pricing is the tough part.
The other problem with a 700R4 is it has an electronic torque converter. I'd have to put it on a switch to operate it manually lol.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Sept 22, 2017 5:34:06 GMT -5
700R4 isn't junk. My old mans back in the day k5 did wheelies hah! Back the bullet proofed was 1500$ on the bench. TH350 is fine. Won't be swapping the trans it was just for the conversation. Powerglide 2 speed.... Would love to have one but finding it at decent pricing is the tough part. The other problem with a 700R4 is it has an electronic torque converter. I'd have to put it on a switch to operate it manually lol. they actually have a 700R4 that has 1 2 D and OD positions without that button for 4th I believe they came in trans-am I cant remember they also have the 4L60E adn 4L80E those both have the electronic OD you can always do what a buddy did and put a clutch pedal and drop a 5 speed in there LOL thats not as easy as it sounds but Ive seen it done but I know ya like your ElCo the way it is its always fun to think and talk about stuff you would like to do |
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 22, 2017 11:18:32 GMT -5
The next best thing to the TH350 is the Turbo 400 tranny.
Not sure about the E transmissions. I don't want to go manual honestly lol.
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Post by Bones on Sept 22, 2017 13:07:11 GMT -5
they actually have a 700R4 that has 1 2 D and OD positions without that button for 4th I believe they came in trans-am I cant remember they also have the 4L60E adn 4L80E those both have the electronic OD you can always do what a buddy did and put a clutch pedal and drop a 5 speed in there LOL thats not as easy as it sounds but Ive seen it done but I know ya like your ElCo the way it is its always fun to think and talk about stuff you would like to do I've seen one of those before in a Camaro and it was factory. The guy told me (At the time) there were two versions of it and those with the gear labeling you described was the heavy-duty version of it (If memory serves for that being it.... It's been forever since I've done stuff like that). What was also kinda funny about it was it was a factory 305, not a 350 in it. The guy Shrimpy described probrably had one of those modified and yes, it would hold up just fine - The weaker version is commonly found and not what you'd want. The guy I'm referring to was an old time hot-rodder and used to build transmissions, engines - You name it he probrably did it at some point (For example he once stuffed a Chevy 409 in a bug - Had to sit where the back seat would have been to drive it  ), he's the one that showed me alot about them and I paid attention to what he had to say. Rarely did anyone prove him wrong and if you tried to throw him a curveball he always seemed capable of finding a way around it to get the job done period. Not saying in this case he's 100% on the mark and that was back in the early 90's when he was showing me but you know what I mean. Alot has changed since and I"m well aware of that. |
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Post by zila1 on Sept 22, 2017 16:08:00 GMT -5
3 speed autos are my favorite. Properly built and tuned in they kick ass. Yup Jonny, TH350 and 400s are my favorite. 700 is okay, especially when properly built and beefed up..................but the 3-speeds are simpler and more bullet proof in my honest opinion and GMs were the best.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Sept 22, 2017 16:44:39 GMT -5
Im more of a ford man so C4 or C6 is what I stand by LOL
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), he's the one that showed me alot about them and I paid attention to what he had to say. Rarely did anyone prove him wrong and if you tried to throw him a curveball he always seemed capable of finding a way around it to get the job done period. 
............home ownership.