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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 11, 2018 21:11:49 GMT -5
OK so the big question. What would be the best platform for benching video cards? Any platform. Intel or AMD New vs New Old vs Old. I have 3 GTX 580's that my brother gave me for outstanding pricing. 2 8800 Ultras with water blocks. 3 of the 580s have waterblocks as well.
So what platform would be best?
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Post by ozz on Aug 11, 2018 21:17:13 GMT -5
what ever platform you have that gives you the highest cpu, ram stable speed i would think
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 11, 2018 22:18:51 GMT -5
No Phenom II won't be any good lol. Newest I have is Ryzen. Seemed to do ok with a 770, but can't overclock it. I figured an Intel i7 or i5 perhaps but not sure what gen would give the best overall results. I have no idea how Ryzen does with video benching, but would a Ryzen 2600 do the trick? It's in the ball park figure of what I could spend on newer hardware.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Aug 11, 2018 23:08:50 GMT -5
No Phenom II won't be any good lol. Newest I have is Ryzen. Seemed to do ok with a 770, but can't overclock it. I figured an Intel i7 or i5 perhaps but not sure what gen would give the best overall results. I have no idea how Ryzen does with video benching, but would a Ryzen 2600 do the trick? It's in the ball park figure of what I could spend on newer hardware. depends on bench legacy benches intel 7700k or 8700k for newer 3D benches intel HCC are best AMD get shit scores with 3Dmark
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 12, 2018 9:14:18 GMT -5
Skylake will get you on the board Jon.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 12, 2018 9:54:52 GMT -5
Skylake. Ill do some looking around then
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 12, 2018 9:56:04 GMT -5
Z170 board and DDR4. DDR4 will be pricey.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 12, 2018 9:59:18 GMT -5
I know. Ive been saving moneys. . Gonna need a K series chip for ease of overclocking too huh?
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 12, 2018 10:03:51 GMT -5
Yup. At least a 6700K.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 12, 2018 10:22:34 GMT -5
Ebay pricing doesnt look horrible for used. But new? 300$ for a quad core. Might sit this out see if them prices drop a little bit.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 12, 2018 10:29:05 GMT -5
Yes. Everything is still pricey. Better to get a used system package deal off a forum.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Aug 12, 2018 12:46:26 GMT -5
Ebay pricing doesnt look horrible for used. But new? 300$ for a quad core. Might sit this out see if them prices drop a little bit. check your messages I got something for you
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Aug 12, 2018 17:56:41 GMT -5
3DM legacy up to 06 is all about IPC so 6700k /7700k is the go vantage and later is more about threads for the physics tests and still fast IPC. Heaven is all about the card and tweaks for it.
Unfortunately Ryzen is fantastic with multi threading but not fantastic in IPC I am sure Jas will fix you up with something good.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 12, 2018 23:02:14 GMT -5
He has a Cpu and a generous offer Pete. That I can assure you. However I'd still need to shop for a board. Would need recommendation on a board for sure. Not quite ready to pull the trigger.... yet.
So where do the points fair the most? In legacy benchmarks or modern?
De-lidding is also a factor. So I eyeball the Ryzen with that in mind as well.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Aug 13, 2018 0:26:34 GMT -5
Hardware points are generally good where there are a lot of subs for what you are benching so legacy benches and hardware are good there. Globals do well for a high ranking in the bench you are benching regardless of hardware and you only get them if its the highest score you have produced for a given bench regardless of hardware.
Ryzen does do well in 2D benches that are multithreaded i.e Wprime, Cinebench and the like.
The cards you mentioned a 6700k or 7700k (7700k preferably they generally clock better than 6700k) would do you proud 8800GTX and 580 the most points you are going to get are going to be hardware points those cards are too old to get good globals of course you will get a couple of globals if they are your best subs you have subbed especially with the 580.
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Post by Bones on Aug 13, 2018 1:19:36 GMT -5
I'll add that a 7700K can bench full pot with LN2, a 6700K can't do that and I don't believe a 8700K does either. For the $$ and how I know you bench a 7700K is the best, easiest way to go.
If I had a different board and was using LN2 here I'd be set with mine. Speaking of an 8800GTX, would be fun to hook up the three I have with the 7700K, done it before and will do it again one day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 5:53:42 GMT -5
He has a Cpu and a generous offer Pete. That I can assure you. However I'd still need to shop for a board. Would need recommendation on a board for sure. Not quite ready to pull the trigger.... yet. So where do the points fair the most? In legacy benchmarks or modern? De-lidding is also a factor. So I eyeball the Ryzen with that in mind as well. If it's my old 7700K ... it did 55x 4c4t 1.535v watercooled on 3D benchmarks. 3D06 54x for a pass. See my scores on 3D it hammered & the 8700K 53x barely beat it sometimes. edit. Hmm boards ... Asrock z170 Formula. Asus z170 z270 high end.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Aug 13, 2018 9:54:51 GMT -5
I'll add that a 7700K can bench full pot with LN2, a 6700K can't do that and I don't believe a 8700K does either. For the $$ and how I know you bench a 7700K is the best, easiest way to go. If I had a different board and was using LN2 here I'd be set with mine. Speaking of an 8800GTX, would be fun to hook up the three I have with the 7700K, done it before and will do it again one day. the 8700k full pots like no tomorrow in Apex Z370 RSVD switch is a life saver even for stubborn chips
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Post by Shadyreaper on Aug 13, 2018 9:56:12 GMT -5
He has a Cpu and a generous offer Pete. That I can assure you. However I'd still need to shop for a board. Would need recommendation on a board for sure. Not quite ready to pull the trigger.... yet. So where do the points fair the most? In legacy benchmarks or modern? De-lidding is also a factor. So I eyeball the Ryzen with that in mind as well. If it's my old 7700K ... it did 55x 4c4t 1.535v watercooled on 3D benchmarks. 3D06 54x for a pass. See my scores on 3D it hammered & the 8700K 53x barely beat it sometimes. edit. Hmm boards ... Asrock z170 Formula. Asus z170 z270 high end. and no the 7700k is in the kids PC I built for his B-day its the 8700k
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 15:27:55 GMT -5
Oh yeah even better Shrimpy it's a hot fucka that one ... keep big radiators up to it. Had good IMC 4000 cas 12 1T. Used to run 53x core 52x uncore 6c6t on 3D
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 13, 2018 21:28:19 GMT -5
My loop has no rads. I run geothermal.
Good info O on the points Pete thank you.
I will invest into i7 arch. And later Ryzen.
Board recommendations for 7700 or 8700 i7?
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Post by Shadyreaper on Aug 13, 2018 21:55:11 GMT -5
My loop has no rads. I run geothermal. Good info O on the points Pete thank you. I will invest into i7 arch. And later Ryzen. Board recommendations for 7700 or 8700 i7? Apex is a beast for either one but for 7700k I recommend MOCF even tho it's a picky bitch for memory
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 13, 2018 22:29:27 GMT -5
What the heck is either of those boards? lol. (sry don't keep up on Intel much, never have.) They sound pricey lol.
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Post by WhiteWulfe on Aug 13, 2018 23:20:09 GMT -5
What the heck is either of those boards? lol. (sry don't keep up on Intel much, never have.) They sound pricey lol. Apex would be the benching board from Asus (Maximus IX or X Apex), which has "edgy" cutouts in various areas and has a bit of a neat look to it (and a dual m.2 riser that goes next to your ram)... mOCF is from ASRock, and is a discontinued board with a z170 chipset. It's the OC Formula in mATX. It's also considered rather legendary, as it held a LOT of records for some time.
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Post by ozz on Aug 13, 2018 23:48:36 GMT -5
shady will tell ya, hes knows his shit in those ddr4 intel boards, , pretty sure hes had the z170. 270 and 370, but not 100 on the 370
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 3:55:22 GMT -5
z270 Apex IX + z370 Apex X
I've tried other brands ... nothing can match these for going hard on mem's. Built especially for it with x2 slots
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Post by Shadyreaper on Aug 14, 2018 7:48:36 GMT -5
What the heck is either of those boards? lol. (sry don't keep up on Intel much, never have.) They sound pricey lol. As white said Maximus ix apex Z270 or Maximus X apex Z370 those are best IMO for mem configs and getting mem to go hard ASRock Z170M OC Formula is by far the best of them all it's just damn picky about the memory it wants to let you use but the most efficient with memory both are 2 dimm Mobos which is idea for mem OC which MS Intel CPUs the MOCF will be harder to find for sure but apex are dime a dozen
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 14, 2018 21:58:22 GMT -5
Alrighty then! I will likely look for Apex and go from there. I have 3x 580's so getting a bunch of submissions should be easy enough
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Post by Shadyreaper on Aug 15, 2018 8:52:58 GMT -5
Alrighty then! I will likely look for Apex and go from there. I have 3x 580's so getting a bunch of submissions should be easy enough Apex has lots of nice memory profiles but with a set of good b-die 12-11-11 4000 should be cake and with b-die 1.95v is normal one set of my sticks like 2.080v lol but they do 12-11-11 4133
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 18, 2018 1:09:19 GMT -5
Oh dude on this platform it will be a noob jumping into the learning experience of a lifetime. Lol. Ddr4? Its like a new language to me. Then throw me into an Intel platform..... I wont do well at first lol.
But right now just upgraded a buddies laptop to ssd, and set up Xp on the phenom ddr3 rig for the team cup. Still working out bugs and looking at cooling options. Need to seal the board yet. I'm trying, but busy life lately. Kids went back to school this week yay.
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